How do we want to get through Day One lynch? We can look at strong players, weaker players, inactives (I know many people strongly advise against this) & etc? I don't know if people are fed up with the whole "putting strong players in the spotlight". I just want to help the discussion a bit. :c
I, personally, would like to look to iLoveYou for lynch.
You were seriously just restating already known information in that last post. I'm sure we all know at this point who the actives and who the inactives tend to be; we don't need to keep reiterating it. Plus, you're suggesting names and tell other people to bring up names, yet you don't really ignite much discussion.
Anyway, I've contacted iLoveYou privately and I've noticed she's done some strange things and has exhibited clear behavioral changes from last game where she was Town.
In case you all didn't know, Kayla has already received two roleclaims from players. What struck me as odd was that Kayla just went out and told me who those people were and what they roleclaimed. This is especially strange, because:
1.) It's only Day One, so how does she even trust me with this information.
2.) In last game, she would be very careful in telling me who roleclaimed as what. She'd only ever say "so-so rolelcaimed to me" or "The medic has contacted me" and that was it.
Then, I tried to bait her a bit with saying I was suspicious of Oath. I knew how she reacted when I came to her with Trundle Day One last game, so I wanted to see how she thought of suspicions with a player equally as strong.
Last Game said:
[20:03] <Superpenguin> Yeah, I know.
[20:03] <Kayla> he's probably paranoid
[20:03] <Kayla> but I would be up for lynching anyone. I'm not tied to anyone =
[20:03] <Kayla> =P *
[20:04] <Superpenguin> Just don't know about lynching Trundle Day 1, cause strong player
[20:04] <Kayla> I mean, essentially if you read my post
[20:04] <Kayla> I kinda believe
[20:04] <Superpenguin> But storng player = going to give a defense so I could at least put out my suspicions
[20:04] <Kayla> that the Mafia is still going to be balanced this game
[20:04] <Superpenguin> and let him talk and see what happens
[20:04] <Kayla> even tho it was huge last game
[20:04] <Kayla> which is why I wanna tackle strong players
[20:04] <Superpenguin> I literally told him he is probably mafia
[20:05] <Kayla> Hmm
[20:05] <Kayla> You're right though
[20:05] <Kayla> any strong player that gets accused usually give good defenses
[20:06] <Kayla> again - still too early
[20:06] <Kayla> but I am willing to lynch anyon
Notice how Kayla was very indifferent and hesitant in getting Trundle up on the chopping block for lynch. She was almost trying to convince herself and me that Trundle is probably just a paranoid town player and a risk for lynch.
Now in this game:
[23:07] <Superpenguin> What about Oath?
[23:07] <Kayla> I mean personally
[23:07] <Superpenguin> I've been talking to him and some of the things he has said so far have been...odd.
[23:07] <Kayla> I don't like that he's kinda agreeing to my list
[23:11] <Superpenguin> okay so back to Oath?
[23:11] <Kayla> Sure
[23:11] <Kayla> We should consider starting to bait any potential Mafia players
[23:11] <Superpenguin> I like jokingly accused him of mafia cause that's what we do
[23:11] <Kayla> yes
[23:12] <Superpenguin> and he got all jumpy at me and full-on ranted against me
[23:12] <Kayla> Seriously?
[23:12] <Kayla> do you have any quotes I can read?
[23:12] <Superpenguin> Yeah
[23:12] <Superpenguin> yeah
[23:12] <Kayla> Let me see if I can form an opinion on it too
[23:14] <Superpenguin> Dammit, the stuff about him yelling was pushed back
[23:14] <Superpenguin> before I got to copy and save it
[23:14] <Superpenguin> [22:50] <~oath2order> You do know the easiet person to get lynched right now is you
[23:14] <Superpenguin> but like here's some stuff
[23:14] <Kayla> What the
[23:23] <Superpenguin> Idk, I kind of want to post against Oath and get him lynched first. What do you think?
[23:23] <Kayla> I would be in support of starting an attack on Oath
Even though Oath is a stronger player like Trundle, Kayla doesn't seem to care anymore. She doesn't seem to mind starting a lynch against Oath even though she was hesitant in lynching strong players first in the previous game. This behavioral changes makes me very weary of Kayla.
And, just to help out, here are the following people who still need to post (pre-game doesn't count):
Kuma
Trundle
River
Justin
LaurinaMN
You
FireNinja1
FanousOnTheLoose
TheCreeperHugz
Jeremy
Minties
If we're lynching an inactive, we certainly have a nice set of people to choose from. If not, then I don't know who I'd recommend. I'd probably go with Dolby, but that's probably my bias talking.
Actually, I agree with you. Dolby is known to be a distraction and it appears that he's laying the groundwork to play in a similar fashion this game. On the upside, he'll no doubt annoy the mafia (whether he is among them or not) just as much as he will us. Win-win?
More seriously, I want to hear from the people who have yet to post.
Gee, thanks captain obvious. I can't tell if you've made this post simply because you're busy playing Rust and needed a filler post in the thread to avoid modkill or because you're Mafia. Your post is pro-town but really doesn't provide anything to the thread that we didn't already know.
Re-read KarlaKGB's post. He was responding to a new player and correcting people who're already making the mistake of spamming; he wasn't regurgitating information simply for the hell of it.
Gee, thanks captain obvious. I can't tell if you've made this post simply because you're busy playing Rust and needed a filler post in the thread to avoid modkill or because you're Mafia. Your post is pro-town but really doesn't provide anything to the thread that we didn't already know.
I was the one who suggested we include Unlynchable & Town Reviver to Gandalf. C: I love those roles, and they're what I really wanted this game. I also really enjoy being Townie because I can just post freely without worrying about dying and having the Town lose out on something important. There's a lot of roles that I like, not just Mafia & Veteran. My dream role would be to get Veteran in one of these games though.
And then you pull a vote for Blu Rose out of your ass? Where did this come from? Because Prin said he was aggressive and therefore suspicious? The very same reason I addressed in my "filler" post that you just slammed. You seem to be playing directly against me already this game, why is that?
I, personally, would like to look to iLoveYou for lynch.
You were seriously just restating already known information in that last post. I'm sure we all know at this point who the actives and who the inactives tend to be; we don't need to keep reiterating it. Plus, you're suggesting names and tell other people to bring up names, yet you don't really ignite much discussion.
Neither do you. As Oath2Order has mentioned, you haven't really been keeping up with your record of long posts & accusations. If we really want to get picky like that, I would have called you out on that as well (before this post that is). I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt since it's Day One & seriously look at the thread. It's mostly one-liners.
Anyway, I've contacted iLoveYou privately and I've noticed she's done some strange things and has exhibited clear behavioral changes from last game where she was Town.
In case you all didn't know, Kayla has already received two roleclaims from players. What struck me as odd was that Kayla just went out and told me who those people were and what they roleclaimed. This is especially strange, because:
1.) It's only Day One, so how does she even trust me with this information.
2.) In last game, she would be very careful in telling me who roleclaimed as what. She'd only ever say "so-so rolelcaimed to me" or "The medic has contacted me" and that was it.
Then, I tried to bait her a bit with saying I was suspicious of Oath. I knew how she reacted when I came to her with Trundle Day One last game, so I wanted to see how she thought of suspicions with a player equally as strong.
The reason why I did this is simple: I do not believe their roleclaim to me. Also because they roleclaimed as Townie. Shocker. That is not something we have to be careful with. Why? Simply because everyone's first roleclaim choice will be Townie. Saying so-and-so claimed Townie is no big deal. Had I given you names of people who roleclaimed as important blue roles .. then you should be worried about the whole trust thing on Day One.
Notice how Kayla was very indifferent and hesitant in getting Trundle up on the chopping block for lynch. She was almost trying to convince herself and me that Trundle is probably just a paranoid town player and a risk for lynch.
Now in this game:
Even though Oath is a stronger player like Trundle, Kayla doesn't seem to care anymore. She doesn't seem to mind starting a lynch against Oath even though she was hesitant in lynching strong players first in the previous game. This behavioral changes makes me very weary of Kayla.
Trundle flipped Mafia last game. This is exactly what has changed me from being hesitant this game. Had we not taken initiative on Trundle & went for it then we wouldn't have gotten the Godfather out. We kept Trundle in for an extra day when we could have gotten him out on Day One and you're right, it's mostly because of me. I do not want to be the player that steers Town off of suspicious players again.
I can't wait to see your faces if you lynch me. C:
Cool story bro, I could say the same for this crap you posted:
And then you pull a vote for Blu Rose out of your ass? Where did this come from? Because Prin said he was aggressive and therefore suspicious? The very same reason I addressed in my "filler" post that you just slammed. You seem to be playing directly against me already this game, why is that?
I've already explained my reasoning for voting for Blu Rose to certain players in the IRC. You have no reason to worry about it. If you really think I would keep my vote on a player like Blu Rose for Day One lynch, then you're mistaken.
It's about keeping the stronger players in the spotlight KarlaKGB. Welcome to the game.
The reason why I did this is simple: I do not believe their roleclaim to me. Also because they roleclaimed as Townie. Shocker. That is not something we have to be careful with. Why? Simply because everyone's first roleclaim choice will be Townie. Saying so-and-so claimed Townie is no big deal. Had I given you names of people who roleclaimed as important blue roles .. then you should be worried about the whole trust thing on Day One.
Any roleclaim should be respected and be done in confidence. These people trusted you with their role, and then you just go around telling people who they are and what their apparent roles are. Yes, they weren't blue. But that doesn't mean anything. Hearing about a single role gets a person closer to finding out who is hiding a blue role, and the more townies that claim, the smaller the range is for the blues.
The only reason I was not aggressive in MM2 is because the game becomes no fun if you are a confirmed Town-aligned person. You're invincible, and I know that people can put that to great use, but, the person who has the invincibility really just sees the game as no fun.
At least, that's how I saw it.
And, I think a lot of people agree with you, and this apparently makes one suspicious the second they start.
A good call. We did get in trouble Game I for roleplaying (remember our weapons? XD). Their conversation definitely looks a little fake. That said, it's beary, after all. And beary, no offense, but you kind of have a reputation of being silly. Blu Rose, I kind of have started to expect better from though. Just adding a little... friendly bonds to the Mafia game.
Blu Rose, we know not to trust each other in the early part of the game, and you agree with this, but you definitely still seem to be sticking with beary. I mean, it's getting a lot closer to someone than I would have. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, as they say.
In all seriousness, I'm not too trusting of her. She's just a friend, like Lynn was Game III, and one that I am willing to gather evidence against if I feel as if she is being scummy. So far, she isn't that high on my radar...
Yeah, but you said it was scripted, but not planned. Which doesn't make sense, because in order to be scripted, some planning has to into it. You also said it wasn't fake, and scripts are fake. Where did I say it was scripted?
I said maybe.
I also really enjoy being Townie because I can just post freely without worrying about dying and having the Town lose out on something important. Well, you still have to worry about being killed, and losing a valuable Town player.
I'm going to put in a vote for Blu Rose. I think that's a good place to start at the moment. In my eyes, we can vote to lynch anyone with the same incertainty as lynching me throws out, as it is Day 1 (to state the obvious), and I don't think that any Mafia member is stupid enough to make themselves blatantly obvious the first Day.
Also, SuperPenguin does have a good point about the behavioral changes, although I may remind everyone that this was purely the reason for Waffles' lynch Game IV.*
*This was not a defense for Kayla, I'm just pointing this out.
Lastly, I get the feeling that Jeremy is the Serial Killer... Just a gut feeling, I don't know.
Also, SuperPenguin does have a good point about the behavioral changes, although I may remind everyone that this was purely the reason for Waffles' lynch Game IV.
The only reason I was not aggressive in MM2 is because the game becomes no fun if you are a confirmed Town-aligned person. You're invincible, and I know that people can put that to great use, but, the person who has the invincibility really just sees the game as no fun.
At least, that's how I saw it.
And, I think a lot of people agree with you, and this apparently makes one suspicious the second they start.
/QUOTE] Blu, I've looked in previous Mafia threads and noticed you were quite more active than you are now. Besides accusing beary, you haven't really posted much. (I belive that was pregame, I have to check).
The post you just made was the only post you've made since then. That's why I ##VOTE:Blu Rose
Any roleclaim should be respected and be done in confidence. These people trusted you with their role, and then you just go around telling people who they are and what their apparent roles are. Yes, they weren't blue. But that doesn't mean anything. Hearing about a single role gets a person closer to finding out who is hiding a blue role, and the more townies that claim, the smaller the range is for the blues.
Every person on Town's side will be a target regardless if their role is known or not. They roleclaimed Townie of all things. That should mean nothing in your eyes, especially after last game. Literally every time I told you River was Townie last game, you jumped back at me with: "what makes you believe her though? I'm still going to go after her". Is this the part where you say we change our strategies from game to game?
If I do get lynched, I want you all to pay close attention to those who have voted for me. Especially after you all see my role. This is the Mafia's perfect opportunity to take me out.
The reason why I did this is simple: I do not believe their roleclaim to me. Also because they roleclaimed as Townie. Shocker. That is not something we have to be careful with. Why? Simply because everyone's first roleclaim choice will be Townie. Saying so-and-so claimed Townie is no big deal. Had I given you names of people who roleclaimed as important blue roles .. then you should be worried about the whole trust thing on Day One.
Apparently you've learnt nothing from the previous games, anyone who tells you anything is making a grave mistake because you leak more than the Titanic. You think it doesn't matter that people claim Townie because it's the default position? Wrong. Let's say it becomes public knowledge that A & B claimed Townie to you. This is useless information for Town, all it will do is cause Town to run in circles trying to figure out if they're telling the truth or not. Meanwhile, Mafia will get wind of this and will hone in on those players. Bluesniping is a lot easier when you have a small group of high priority targets to analyse. Town finally works out that they are innocent, Mafia just kills them then and there. Now we've pissed away valuable time, possibly even a check and for nothing. What I'm getting at is, revealing who has claimed Townie to you helps Mafia because it expands their already existing information advantage. Competent Mafia will always be one step ahead of us if you're going to throw seemingly harmless information out.
It's about keeping the stronger players in the spotlight KarlaKGB. Welcome to the game.
Apparently you've learnt nothing from the previous games, anyone who tells you anything is making a grave mistake because you leak more than the Titanic. You think it doesn't matter that people claim Townie because it's the default position? Wrong. Let's say it becomes public knowledge that A & B claimed Townie to you. This is useless information for Town, all it will do is cause Town to run in circles trying to figure out if they're telling the truth or not. Meanwhile, Mafia will get wind of this and will hone in on those players. Bluesniping is a lot easier when you have a small group of high priority targets to analyse. Town finally works out that they are innocent, Mafia just kills them then and there. Now we've pissed away valuable time, possibly even a check and for nothing. What I'm getting at is, revealing who has claimed Townie to you helps Mafia because it expands their already existing information advantage. Competent Mafia will always be one step ahead of us if you're going to throw seemingly harmless information out.
I only told one person the names of these two people. There is a reason I tell people certain information. It's to see what they will do with it. Literally only Superpenguin knows the names of these two people, unless those two people have roleclaimed to others.
I think it doesn't matter because they chose to roleclaim to ME of all people. These are players who know better than to trust me after everything. On top of that they roleclaimed Townie. I never asked them to roleclaim to me, and they immediately chose to trust me even after everything I have done in games like Game 4. So that's what struck me as odd and got me to tell at least one other person.
If you guys blindly follow Superpenguin then I hope you are okay with dealing with this Day One lynch mistake.
I only told one person the names of these two people. There is a reason I tell people certain information. It's to see what they will do with it. Literally only Superpenguin knows the names of these two people, unless those two people have roleclaimed to others.
I think it doesn't matter because they chose to roleclaim to ME of all people. These are players who know better than to trust me after everything. On top of that they roleclaimed Townie. I never asked them to roleclaim to me, and they immediately chose to trust me even after everything I have done in games like Game 4. So that's what struck me as odd and got me to tell at least one other person.
If you guys blindly follow Superpenguin then I hope you are okay with dealing with this Day One lynch mistake.
We aren't necessarily blindly following SuperPenguin. Also, Day One lynches are bound to be mistakes. They usually are, and hitting Mafia on Day 1 would actually make suspicions arise of the person that put them on the lynching table.
Heck, I even think that you pointed that out in a previous Mafia game, non?
We aren't necessarily blindly following SuperPenguin. Also, Day One lynches are bound to be mistakes. They usually are, and hitting Mafia on Day 1 would actually make suspicions arise of the person that put them on the lynching table.
Heck, I even think that you pointed that out in a previous Mafia game, non?
I know that, which is why I am telling you all right now that by lynching me it will be a mistake on Town's part. Do not waste a lynch on me. I don't want you guys to see my role and think "oh great she didn't even try". I am trying my best to convince you guys not to follow Superpenguin because he is making a huge mistake right now. Unfortunately I look suspicious no matter what I do, as you guys all know from previous games.
I'm just going to have to vote for no lynch. Like always, I'm not confident enough to go through with voting for anyone at this point. + I always feel guilty when I vote for someone that flips green/blue. :c
I only told one person the names of these two people. There is a reason I tell people certain information. It's to see what they will do with it. Literally only Superpenguin knows the names of these two people, unless those two people have roleclaimed to others.
I think it doesn't matter because they chose to roleclaim to ME of all people. These are players who know better than to trust me after everything. On top of that they roleclaimed Townie. I never asked them to roleclaim to me, and they immediately chose to trust me even after everything I have done in games like Game 4. So that's what struck me as odd and got me to tell at least one other person.
If you guys blindly follow Superpenguin then I hope you are okay with dealing with this Day One lynch mistake.
I would just like to say that, tomorrow, I won't be able to do anything electronic for most of the day, as I am taking a HUGE test that will hopefully qualify me for Advanced-Advanced Math, and Advanced-Advanced ELA.
No lynch is probably the best plan for day one, as nothing has really happened yet so we have no information to go on. Lynching red on day one is pretty much pot luck, unless someone screws up horribly. I'll vote no lynch, since lynching would be more likely to hit green or blue, and no one dead is far better than one of our own dead.
iLoveYou - It's Kayla. Of course we have to keep an eye on her. That said, I remember asking her if she was happy with her role in the IRC and her response was "YES". Now, I know what Kayla likes to play as. She likes being mafia, and being the veteran. She's happy with her role, which leads me to believe she's one of those two.
found the veteran / someone with guaranteed doctor protection like me in MM2
Why would I publicly exclaim excitement over a Mafia role (assuming Mafia here)? Obviously that would make people think I were Mafia and if I was actually was a red role, that would be something I would try to avoid.
2)
Everyone knows not to roleclaim to me. Two people in specific (who are good players) have chosen to blindly trust me regardless. That struck me as very odd, since they should know better. This is what encouraged me to find at least one player I could talk to and discuss this with. I needed a second opinion because of how the conversations happened. Superpenguin is someone I spoke with a lot in the last Mini Mafia game which is why I went to him. I simply told him what happened along with the names. Again, he is the only person who knows unless these two people have roleclaimed to others.
[21:06] <Roleclaimer 1> Any good role in mafia?
[21:06] <Roleclaimer 1> I'm tired of being townie =[
[21:07] <Kayla> Well I like being Townie
[21:07] <Kayla> because we can just post and die without losing anything
[21:07] <Kayla> if I were a blue role I'd be scared for my life. Too much responsibility to stay hidden & alive
[21:08] <Roleclaimer 1> I really wanted to be red again
[21:08] <Roleclaimer 1> Its the only way I know how to play the game
[21:09] <Kayla> Hmm. I see where you're coming from. I definitely miss being the informed minority. Easier to manipulate kills & votes
[21:19] <Roleclaimer 2> tell me your role or die, scum
[21:20] <Kayla> Hells no
[21:20] <Kayla> let the Mafia find out by themselves
[21:21] <Roleclaimer 2> just because i really don't care this round, I'm a townie
[21:21] <Kayla> Yeah well :c
[21:21] <Kayla> someone else just PM'd me saying that too
[21:21] <Roleclaimer 2> why did I just roleclaim to you
[21:21] <Roleclaimer 2> what the heck
[21:21] <Roleclaimer 2> WHAT THE HECK
[21:21] <Roleclaimer 2> I DIDN'T EVEN THINK
Conversation number 1 in specific got me kinda worried because that person started the PM with me with "Any good role in Mafia?". That was literally their first sentence said to me. I can't work well alone, so this motivated me to find someone I spoke to before and ask for a second opinion on these two people.
By the way this is something that I realized I forgot to address:
How do we want to get through Day One lynch? We can look at strong players, weaker players, inactives (I know many people strongly advise against this) & etc? I don't know if people are fed up with the whole "putting strong players in the spotlight". I just want to help the discussion a bit. :c
You were seriously just restating already known information in that last post. I'm sure we all know at this point who the actives and who the inactives tend to be; we don't need to keep reiterating it. Plus, you're suggesting names and tell other people to bring up names, yet you don't really ignite much discussion.
It is Day One. When I made that post it was within the first hour of when the game started. If you go back and look at all of those posts near the beginning, you'll see just how hard it was to find something to post about (hence all the one-liners & spam). The only thing I could think of was to start talking about the actives / strong players vs. inactives. That's a good place to start is it not? Especially when you have nothing else to go on.
You need to be careful Superpenguin. If anyone is going to lead Town to make bad lynches, it is definitely you of all people. You are relying too heavily on the way you caught Trundle as Godfather last game. If you do manage to get votes on me and I get lynched, then I can't wait to see your reaction to the role you got lynched on Day One. C: I hope you'll then look back at the way you chose to target me & try to think things through more carefully the next time you target someone.
I don't know how else I can defend myself here Town. When / If you see my role though you can't say I didn't try.
