yo i never said that.... and i'm not bullying you.... i said you make things personal, when it's not, so please don't make it that way
Mafia TBT Newbie Game VII: The Daily Tragedy - Town win
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yo i never said that.... and i'm not bullying you.... i said you make things personal, when it's not, so please don't make it that way
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
well I'm sorry, but when you come out the gate swinging a PL in my face, saying that I'm better kept for mafia because I can be a ML, saying I just derail threads, and hinder playing, its hard for me not to feel attacked. Those were just my honest answers.
I won't be around until late tomorrow, I have a test, so I probably won't post for a while
SORRY lmao i realize i abbreviate things a lot, i'll try to write them out now
dethys is just short for detectives (i think?) but its a game where everyone is the same type of role - usually all cops, or all doctors. some of the roles are ineffective or do the opposite effect (I.E. cops get a false inspection, doctors accidentally kill someone) and everyone does not know WHICH kind of role they are, all they know is they're a doctor/cop.
and thats not a stupid question, so at the bottom next to "Reply | Reply with Quote |" is a third button that has quotation marks on it. that will allow you to make a chain of multiple quotes
personally, i just copy and paste all the quotes individually cause i find that easier.
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where did the timer go and can that please be uploaded to the OP
Nightmares
(￣。￣)～ｚｚｚ
Hmm Day 1 is always so hard lmao.......gonna be honest I'm really unsure who could be scum as of now
What I'm confused of though, is wanting the lynch (or whatever it was) for Toad, and mentioning how he wasn't contributing much? I think entropy said that?
Fleshy and I have only posted like once or twice, but Toad is actually trying to be helpful it seems.... so I'm confused why you would want a lynch on him?
Sorry I have no WiFi and I'm in school at the moment, so I only had time to quickly skim through
If I'm being stupid ignore me >.>
I'll go through it more when I get home
What I'm confused of though, is wanting the lynch (or whatever it was) for Toad, and mentioning how he wasn't contributing much? I think entropy said that?
Fleshy and I have only posted like once or twice, but Toad is actually trying to be helpful it seems.... so I'm confused why you would want a lynch on him?
Sorry I have no WiFi and I'm in school at the moment, so I only had time to quickly skim through
If I'm being stupid ignore me >.>
I'll go through it more when I get home
1. Amanda1983
2. Sparro
3. Iwaseleanor
4. Fleshy
5. Nightmares
6. Menchie
7. Arstotzkan [kat] [IC]
8. Toadsworthy [SE]
because day is ending soon everyone should make a list like that. it's also really helpful to see people's interactions for later in the game bc it also forces everyone to make a read on everyone.
i mean, in all reality nightmares/fleshy/eleanor should be all null for inactivity. along with sparro just because i think his start was super off, and then he slinked into the shadows since several people noted it. honestly this isn't even a solid reads list, this is literally like a "best to worst lynches" list.
avoidance of the thread is worthy of a d1 lynch in a very small game like this where it's important to be active. i can see nightmares as inactive town, because of her tone in the RQS and the post i just quoted. i don't rly see fleshy as inactive town, because of the fact he's been online and viewing the thread but not responding at all.
i have 1 problem with my scumread on fleshy but i'm just gonna wait til he makes a response.
eleanor's RQS answer to #4 is so awkwardly phrased lol. i mean, if she was an experienced player that would be a slip. when you say "getting the all round experience as town is what I'd like" it implies that you have yet to experience a town role/ that u don't have one now.
but the fact that she answered "fairly active" but has only made one post is the only concrete thing that makes her lynch worthy.
kat is stuck at null for me bc i can't TR (townread) her at all. initially i liked how she was disagreeing with me about toads. but i don't really trust kat's early read on me, and then when i asked for a solid answer she said she TRs me due to recent posts. tbh it felt like i was being appeased. then she started agreeing with my push on toadsworthy and i felt suuuuper buddied. (buddying= agreeing with someones reads, as mafia, so they feel like ur on their side and u don't cause attention to yourself). i'm also worried about her lack of having suggestions for who to lynch, as someone who's a really good player. her not voting is not a good sign. but like ya, she is obviously not being lynched.
as for toadsworthy, i won't even mention PL'ing since i'm done repeating myself on that. but i still don't think he's a bad lynch. its obvious he's trying to change his play but it's impossible to tell what his motivations are for anything. and i would expect someone SE to have a candidate for lynch at this point.
i've already stated this all at different points, but just to recap
1. he townread two people but did not give a scumread. if you can actually townread two people you have a 40% of getting mafia just by POE (process of elimination) alone. if you're town then it's in your best interest to start trying to narrow it down more by scumhunting. but i don't see any scumhunting behavior until he felt pressured to.
2.it took a LOT of effort to get a scumread from him and he was lynched as mafia d1 for jumping on someone for bad reasoning (*i mean, it WAS a dethy's game but thats his only mafia meta). and now he stated he didn't want to give scumreads in fear of being scumread for them lol?
3. when he was pressured by me, the usual ATE (appeal to emotion) is still there, but i don't see any town interest.... kat already pointed this part out- his defense of fleshy was weird. why not say something earlier in fleshy's defense?
by the way, it's really important to note that posting and contributing doesn't make someone town. (especially in main games)
2. Sparro
3. Iwaseleanor
4. Fleshy
5. Nightmares
6. Menchie
7. Arstotzkan [kat] [IC]
8. Toadsworthy [SE]
because day is ending soon everyone should make a list like that. it's also really helpful to see people's interactions for later in the game bc it also forces everyone to make a read on everyone.
i mean, in all reality nightmares/fleshy/eleanor should be all null for inactivity. along with sparro just because i think his start was super off, and then he slinked into the shadows since several people noted it. honestly this isn't even a solid reads list, this is literally like a "best to worst lynches" list.
avoidance of the thread is worthy of a d1 lynch in a very small game like this where it's important to be active. i can see nightmares as inactive town, because of her tone in the RQS and the post i just quoted. i don't rly see fleshy as inactive town, because of the fact he's been online and viewing the thread but not responding at all.
i have 1 problem with my scumread on fleshy but i'm just gonna wait til he makes a response.
1. What's your gender? Do you have a nickname you'd like for us to call you? I'm a female. Call me El
2. How active do you think you'll be this game? What?s your timezone? Fairly active. My timezone is GMT+1
3. If you have played before, what?s your playstyle? I have played once, but I'm not 100% sure what I'll do in this game or how I'll play.
4. What alignment do you think you would prefer to play - mafia or town? Why? Last game I was scummy and that was fun, but getting the all round experience as town is what I'd like.
5. If you had to guess, would you say the person who posted above you is mafia or town? Why? (Entropy) I'd say town, as nothing raises alarm bells.
6. YOU HYPED? YUP
eleanor's RQS answer to #4 is so awkwardly phrased lol. i mean, if she was an experienced player that would be a slip. when you say "getting the all round experience as town is what I'd like" it implies that you have yet to experience a town role/ that u don't have one now.
but the fact that she answered "fairly active" but has only made one post is the only concrete thing that makes her lynch worthy.
kat is stuck at null for me bc i can't TR (townread) her at all. initially i liked how she was disagreeing with me about toads. but i don't really trust kat's early read on me, and then when i asked for a solid answer she said she TRs me due to recent posts. tbh it felt like i was being appeased. then she started agreeing with my push on toadsworthy and i felt suuuuper buddied. (buddying= agreeing with someones reads, as mafia, so they feel like ur on their side and u don't cause attention to yourself). i'm also worried about her lack of having suggestions for who to lynch, as someone who's a really good player. her not voting is not a good sign. but like ya, she is obviously not being lynched.
as for toadsworthy, i won't even mention PL'ing since i'm done repeating myself on that. but i still don't think he's a bad lynch. its obvious he's trying to change his play but it's impossible to tell what his motivations are for anything. and i would expect someone SE to have a candidate for lynch at this point.
i've already stated this all at different points, but just to recap
1. he townread two people but did not give a scumread. if you can actually townread two people you have a 40% of getting mafia just by POE (process of elimination) alone. if you're town then it's in your best interest to start trying to narrow it down more by scumhunting. but i don't see any scumhunting behavior until he felt pressured to.
2.it took a LOT of effort to get a scumread from him and he was lynched as mafia d1 for jumping on someone for bad reasoning (*i mean, it WAS a dethy's game but thats his only mafia meta). and now he stated he didn't want to give scumreads in fear of being scumread for them lol?
3. when he was pressured by me, the usual ATE (appeal to emotion) is still there, but i don't see any town interest.... kat already pointed this part out- his defense of fleshy was weird. why not say something earlier in fleshy's defense?
by the way, it's really important to note that posting and contributing doesn't make someone town. (especially in main games)
I didn't see this post before i left, i was just checking in before bed and didn't have time to post. I'm not too sure how "ofc" is contradictory or bandwagoning (?), honestly i can see where you're coming from though, but I don't see how it's scummy, being shy/ not taking initiative isn't exactly out of the ordinary for me
I'm not sure why i deserve PL? based on your definition I haven't done any of that? Honestly, weak defense or whatever I know, but i'm always quiet at the beginning of games and often lurk, I check the thread before i go to sleep and see that you're saying to lynch me without explanation? i know i've been pretty inactive, which i wasn't expecting to be, but you put your suspicions on me right away and i was unsure of how to respond, you didn't explain anything, you just said to lynch me out of the blue, there's not much there to respond to? What exactly about my RQS is awkward and forced? I mean, i'd say that's just me in general. I'm not actively avoiding the thread by any stretch, i'm not sure how you'd expect me to react to your "push", you place suspicions on me right away without explanation and expect a detailed response?
Is there anything other than my "lurking" and inactivity that makes you point at me just now? but yeah, not to make excuses for being ****ty but the timezones do make things tricky, things usually go down when it's late for me, meaning i'm either sleeping or too tired to respond (as last night), and when i'm up and focusing on the game, not many others are.
Apologies for not contributing as much as i should, I'm always quiet at the beginning of games, i completely see how it comes across scummy though, specially when there's not that many players, so there's not much i can say in response to the suspicions other than it's just me?, I see where you're all coming from, I too would see lurking and inactivity as a scumtell if it was out of the ordinary for someone, however honestly it isn't for me and i don't see why inactivity is a sound reason to lynch someone so early on.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
@Fleshy, I don't think I've seen a town!you game (besides that discord hell one where I barely payed any attention tbh). Mind linking me to a game of yours?
Basically, it felt weak because the question had a lot of energy in of itself, whereas the answer didn't. It's like a drill sargent screaming "YOU READY!?" and the drill camp people saying "yeah" really quietly. And because of this lack of energy, it felt like sheeping, since it was the path of least resistance.
Also fwiw, I don't think entropy was saying she wanted to PL you. I read that post as she wanted to PL Toads or lynch you. And she's made a lot of mention of you.
If you wanna help, who would you say is a good lynch target, and why? And what are your town reads?
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I totally disagree with me not giving out any possible lynches - I gave out suspicions of Fleshy and Iwase last page (I'm on 50 posts/page). They hadn't been active enough to respond, so I moved on to questioning toads, since he was active and he had done some shady stuff as you had pointed out. Honestly though, I don't feel comfortable with a Toads lynch today. I see too much of what he's doing as trying to revive his reputation after last game, and him being scared about doing anything dumb because it'd further harm his reputation. Yes, it's somewhat of a scumtell, but that was why I was pushing him - I was trying to figure out which it was. Who I push isn't indicative of who I'm suspicious of - it's indicative of who I want more information out of.
Also Im not one to vote until late into the day lol. I'd rather feel both confident about my suspicion and at least allow them a chance to rebut before putting on a vote.
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@Entropy Your read on Menchie changed from null/slightly sus to town. What caused that?
Basically, it felt weak because the question had a lot of energy in of itself, whereas the answer didn't. It's like a drill sargent screaming "YOU READY!?" and the drill camp people saying "yeah" really quietly. And because of this lack of energy, it felt like sheeping, since it was the path of least resistance.
Also fwiw, I don't think entropy was saying she wanted to PL you. I read that post as she wanted to PL Toads or lynch you. And she's made a lot of mention of you.
If you wanna help, who would you say is a good lynch target, and why? And what are your town reads?
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I could go into more detail about my townread of you if you'd like?entropy said:
I totally disagree with me not giving out any possible lynches - I gave out suspicions of Fleshy and Iwase last page (I'm on 50 posts/page). They hadn't been active enough to respond, so I moved on to questioning toads, since he was active and he had done some shady stuff as you had pointed out. Honestly though, I don't feel comfortable with a Toads lynch today. I see too much of what he's doing as trying to revive his reputation after last game, and him being scared about doing anything dumb because it'd further harm his reputation. Yes, it's somewhat of a scumtell, but that was why I was pushing him - I was trying to figure out which it was. Who I push isn't indicative of who I'm suspicious of - it's indicative of who I want more information out of.
Also Im not one to vote until late into the day lol. I'd rather feel both confident about my suspicion and at least allow them a chance to rebut before putting on a vote.
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@Entropy Your read on Menchie changed from null/slightly sus to town. What caused that?
There was Imprison the criminals mafia (discord/pm), Murder Mystery Mafia (discord/pm) and A Game of Mafia (that's the only non-PM one, also my first game).
Thanks for the clarification, I see where you're coming from there then, I didn't put much thought into my answers really but I mean it was "ofc!" with the "!" that must denote some energy at least lmao. Oh yeah oops, I misread there and thought she was saying she wanted to PL me.
Honestly at this point I'm not too sure on who'd be a good lynch target, I'm slightly wary of entropy, not like omgus or whatever, I just find it odd how she voiced he opinions or "pushed" toad and I like that so early on, knowing (i assume) that neither of us react well under pressure (or however you'd word it). Surely we're both pretty easy targets to paint as scummy early on, I'm not saying that's what she's doing or that that's her intention at all, I just see it as a possibility. I mean, I would say that it's unlikely that scum would be so out there and bold early on, but it is a newbie game and i feel like being a strong and voiced player (especially as scum) would be highly beneficial in this game as new players might be likely to sheep said strong players. She did just mention Toad and i right away witout any explination, only to expand on it later. I'm null on Nightmares and Iwaseleanor mainly due to lack of posts, and Amanda, Mechie, Toads and likely Sparro are the ones I'm townreading right now, I find you pretty hard to read, especially considering you're IC here so your posts are different
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
What's your opinion on her push on Toads, then? Do you think her points were valid?
Also, "likely Sparro"? You seem a little conflicted. What's your thoughts on him?
Honestly I don't see where she's coming from with her push on toads, she said she wanted to PL lynch him after really only a few posts (where he actually seemed to be contributing...?) I'm confused by it to be honest but to me it seems like she's trying to put pressure on the more emotional players. She said she wanted to PL him at 10:08 PM (gmt) yet didn't offer a reason why until 1:39 AM (gmt) and that reason being "lynching toads is beneficial cuz he just derails the thread", like, that's not really a "point" at all. Then when she expanded her reasoning later it seemed very weak, basically just saying it was odd because he wasn't scumreading anyone?
I found Sparro's questioning of Menchie early on slightly odd, but I think he's really just trying to help and start conversation / scumhunt, I'm just reluctant to fully townread him as I find him a little hard to read and I've misjudged him in the past, although I am townleaning him at the moment.
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Making a reads post, but before that, I read back on some of Fleshy's meta, and something's off.
After reading the beginning of the games he linked, he didn't seem to take any prodding to state an opinion. He stated his opinion loud and clear, and helped get the ball rolling by pointing out Liamslash's anger pretty quickly (Game of Mafia), pointing out Chrys talking about himself, Liam, and Toads, but not Mog (Imprison the criminals), and then pointed out a scum read of his pretty quickly, and when he had to catch up, he talked about other people in the thread and the ongoings of who was suspicious and who wasn't (Murder Mystery).
Here, he doesn't even comment on entropy/me vs Toads, entropy vs me, Menchie vs Sparro, or any of the other things that's happened in this thread besides the suspicion against him, and there was less to read through than Murder Mystery. His defense was also pretty lengthy, so I don't think he's too lazy. But it took me questioning him to get thoughts on anyone out in the open, which was unlike any of his other town games.
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After reading the beginning of the games he linked, he didn't seem to take any prodding to state an opinion. He stated his opinion loud and clear, and helped get the ball rolling by pointing out Liamslash's anger pretty quickly (Game of Mafia), pointing out Chrys talking about himself, Liam, and Toads, but not Mog (Imprison the criminals), and then pointed out a scum read of his pretty quickly, and when he had to catch up, he talked about other people in the thread and the ongoings of who was suspicious and who wasn't (Murder Mystery).
Here, he doesn't even comment on entropy/me vs Toads, entropy vs me, Menchie vs Sparro, or any of the other things that's happened in this thread besides the suspicion against him, and there was less to read through than Murder Mystery. His defense was also pretty lengthy, so I don't think he's too lazy. But it took me questioning him to get thoughts on anyone out in the open, which was unlike any of his other town games.
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But what about the other points entropy made against him? PL wasn't the only thing by a longshot. I obviously disagree with lynching based off of PL, but she isn't even using that in her arguement anymore.
entropy said:
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
1. Amanda1983
2. Sparro
3. Iwaseleanor
4. Fleshy
5. Nightmares
6. Menchie
8. Toadsworthy [SE]
9. Entropy [SE]
Amanda: Nothing in her posts outright ring any bells, but I noticed she's said little in terms of actual opinion. The only opinions she's stated are that she thinks Sparro and Menchie are town. It could be in part due to timezones, but she was active when the toads **** was going down, and she didn't make any comment on it, which raised some flags for me. I liked her post #98, though. And she doesn't seem as active as stating her opinions as last game.
Sparro: He seems to be taking an initiative in developing opinions, and backing them up. I really like his conversation with entropy starting at post #111. But he commits the same crime Amanda did in not giving any input regarding Toads when Toads was being questioned. I'm not really sure how I feel about him pushing Menchie so hard early game. It felt pretty damn obsessive, but there wasn't really much to go off of at the time so you kinda have to obsess over something to start anything. But overall, I like his initiative, and willingness to state his opinion.
Iwase:
Fleshy: His meta's off, he's been caught lurking plenty of times, and it took coaxing to out his opinions. Then there's also the RQs feeling off, which I'm not gonna beat a dead horse lol
Nightmares: I'll be damned if Nightmares is mafia. She sounds frustrated with her role, and she said she doesnt like being town. And in her other post, she actually commented about the Toads lynch and tried to provide some insight.
Menchie: After looking back.. I'm a lot less confident in Menchie's townieness. She could have asked a scummate about various ****, sure, but then something would have seemed off with her knowing more than she should, and people would get sus af. She was initially active, and I was hoping that'd translate into ideas about what's going on in the thread, but she was still hung up on people thinking she was suspicious after most townread her, which I found really off. She hasn't done much at all besides defend herself (eventually against nothing) and ask different theoretical questions, even when there was stuff going on around her.
Toadsworthy: I think entropy's points made a lot of sense, but I also see a lot of potential for them being looked at from a different perspective: Toads worrying about his reputation and keeping his cool more than actually finding scum. Not really sure which it is yet.
Entropy: Initially, I suspected her for downplaying Sparro, but ever since then, she's been pretty damn vocal regarding her opinion of people. She's scumhunting pretty well, and she's making a lot of really good points. Would elaborate more, but the bell just rung. I'll get around to it when Im on a computer again.
2. Sparro
3. Iwaseleanor
4. Fleshy
5. Nightmares
6. Menchie
8. Toadsworthy [SE]
9. Entropy [SE]
Amanda: Nothing in her posts outright ring any bells, but I noticed she's said little in terms of actual opinion. The only opinions she's stated are that she thinks Sparro and Menchie are town. It could be in part due to timezones, but she was active when the toads **** was going down, and she didn't make any comment on it, which raised some flags for me. I liked her post #98, though. And she doesn't seem as active as stating her opinions as last game.
Sparro: He seems to be taking an initiative in developing opinions, and backing them up. I really like his conversation with entropy starting at post #111. But he commits the same crime Amanda did in not giving any input regarding Toads when Toads was being questioned. I'm not really sure how I feel about him pushing Menchie so hard early game. It felt pretty damn obsessive, but there wasn't really much to go off of at the time so you kinda have to obsess over something to start anything. But overall, I like his initiative, and willingness to state his opinion.
Iwase:
To further explain, it felt really lame thing to based preferred alignment off of. Like entropy said, her saying town would be what she liked is a possible scumslip, so something to definitely keep an eye on. And then she's AFK, despite saying she planned on being active.me earlier said:
Fleshy: His meta's off, he's been caught lurking plenty of times, and it took coaxing to out his opinions. Then there's also the RQs feeling off, which I'm not gonna beat a dead horse lol
Nightmares: I'll be damned if Nightmares is mafia. She sounds frustrated with her role, and she said she doesnt like being town. And in her other post, she actually commented about the Toads lynch and tried to provide some insight.
Menchie: After looking back.. I'm a lot less confident in Menchie's townieness. She could have asked a scummate about various ****, sure, but then something would have seemed off with her knowing more than she should, and people would get sus af. She was initially active, and I was hoping that'd translate into ideas about what's going on in the thread, but she was still hung up on people thinking she was suspicious after most townread her, which I found really off. She hasn't done much at all besides defend herself (eventually against nothing) and ask different theoretical questions, even when there was stuff going on around her.
Toadsworthy: I think entropy's points made a lot of sense, but I also see a lot of potential for them being looked at from a different perspective: Toads worrying about his reputation and keeping his cool more than actually finding scum. Not really sure which it is yet.
Entropy: Initially, I suspected her for downplaying Sparro, but ever since then, she's been pretty damn vocal regarding her opinion of people. She's scumhunting pretty well, and she's making a lot of really good points. Would elaborate more, but the bell just rung. I'll get around to it when Im on a computer again.
In the games you mentioned I wasn't "pushed" like this so early on so I had time to read, focus and comment on everything that was going on in the game, my first priority here today was to address what was put to me, next is to go over and analyse everything closer, and give my thoughts regarding everything else that's gone on, I did mention Toads vs entropy and also the Sparro vs Menchie thing when you asked for my opinion on it. I'm currently writing my up my reads in more detail.
I know PL wasn't the only thing, but it was the only thing mentioned at first, as i said before, it's weird that she just mentioned that right away only to wait and expand on it later, which is what i see as weird. it seems as if she was expecting a certian reaction from him to use to further scumread him. As for the more recent points she made against Toad,
1. This point makes sense but I don't see not having any scumreads as a scumread itself, others don't have any scumreads, so why is that a valid reason to be sus of Toad yet it isn't mentioned when others do the same? again, it seems desperate, like she's looking for any reason to scumread toads,
2. Toad is so often scumread when he's town, usually helpful town at that, so i see nothing off by him holding off at all, he doesn't want to make stupid mistakes and end up lynched again? I don't know but I don't see anything off with toad holding back a little, i think it's pretty easy to see why he'd do so. (what game was he lynched maf day 1? If i read over that I might have a better understanding of where entropy is coming from here because at the moment I don't at all)
3. I don't see the lack of town interest, I just see slight reluctance, which as i said before, is understandable. Yes he could have said something about everyone being sus of me earlier if he thought otherwise, but i guess he was dealing with people being sus of him so that was his priority, I don't see his defense of me as a reason to scumread him, he's played more games with me (4/5 games i've played?) so i guess he felt like he had something to add there?
Amanda1983
Sparro
Iwaseleanor
Nightmares
Menchie
Arstotzkan
Toadsworthy
Entropy
I have Nightmares null due to lack of posts and Iwaseleanor null/slightly sus due to the fact she only posted the RQS's but as mentioned by others, I do find the answer to this question a little weird:
Amanda hasn't said too much in the way of actual solid contribution in comparison to the last game, I see this as even more of a reason to towread her as if she's town she won't have the help of her scumbuddies, and will have to put more effort into scumhunting. None of her posts seem off at all, she seems to be helping and coming across town, despite the lack of solid opinions. I'm also mainly townreading Sparro at the moment, he seems to be actively trying to scumhunt, at first I found his jump on Menchie to be slightly off, but really i don't think there's anything to it, i'm just not 100% sure here. I have Kat on null as honestly I find her hard to read, especially as she's IC here, I'm not sure how much of a part that plays, but it adds more.
I mentioned my slight suspensions on entropy previously, I understand her points on me and I understand why she voted me although i find inactivity/lurking a pretty weak reason for lynching someone. I find her push on toads overall just off, as I said before, it seems like an attempt to pressure the more emotional players, therefore benefiting herself if she were mafia. It's bold to be so forward as mafia, but in this game set up i honestly see it working here. I understand her push on toads now that she's expanded on it (not that I agree, but I understand) but what I don't get is why she didn't give reasons right away? why she just mentioned PL, for little or weak reasoning and left it at that for ages.
Sparro
Iwaseleanor
Nightmares
Menchie
Arstotzkan
Toadsworthy
Entropy
I have Nightmares null due to lack of posts and Iwaseleanor null/slightly sus due to the fact she only posted the RQS's but as mentioned by others, I do find the answer to this question a little weird:
though i feel like it's probably just nit-picking and she hasn't said anything else yet so there's not much to go off, so i'm holding off just now.
Amanda hasn't said too much in the way of actual solid contribution in comparison to the last game, I see this as even more of a reason to towread her as if she's town she won't have the help of her scumbuddies, and will have to put more effort into scumhunting. None of her posts seem off at all, she seems to be helping and coming across town, despite the lack of solid opinions. I'm also mainly townreading Sparro at the moment, he seems to be actively trying to scumhunt, at first I found his jump on Menchie to be slightly off, but really i don't think there's anything to it, i'm just not 100% sure here. I have Kat on null as honestly I find her hard to read, especially as she's IC here, I'm not sure how much of a part that plays, but it adds more.
I mentioned my slight suspensions on entropy previously, I understand her points on me and I understand why she voted me although i find inactivity/lurking a pretty weak reason for lynching someone. I find her push on toads overall just off, as I said before, it seems like an attempt to pressure the more emotional players, therefore benefiting herself if she were mafia. It's bold to be so forward as mafia, but in this game set up i honestly see it working here. I understand her push on toads now that she's expanded on it (not that I agree, but I understand) but what I don't get is why she didn't give reasons right away? why she just mentioned PL, for little or weak reasoning and left it at that for ages.
amanda1983
Senior Member
First "reads" list :
1. Amanda1983
2. Sparro
3. Iwaseleanor
4. Fleshy
5. Nightmares
6. Menchie
7. Arstotzkan [kat] [IC]
8. Toadsworthy [SE]
9. Entropy [SE]
Sparro - nothing new to add really, I took his initial posts in a different way to others.
Iwaseleanor - has posted once since the game started, and that post was about 18 hours ago now. If I hadn't just seen her be (seemingly) AWOL whilst Cult in MLCs, then I honestly would not be so suspicious.
Fleshy - I've been going back and forth over a couple of posts, trying to work out what is niggling at me. I think, basically, I'm stuck on how defensive he is. I think I've read similar comments in every game of his I've read back through, but .. there's something I can't quite pin down. Whether I'm now overthinking it or not, I have changed from having no suspicion to having some.
Nightmares - I'd read her as "null" until her post earlier tonight, # 144. I was curious about all the PL talk going on about her (based on previous games I have yet to read) but wanted more info before asking any questions. I think her post would be a pretty bold move if she was Mafia though, guaranteed to attract attention her way - whilst mentioning Fleshy and Toads, 2 players currently in the spotlight - unnecessarily. I don't see what would be gained by that post if she was Mafia.
Menchie - I read them as Pro-Town in post # 98 but a lot has happened since then, most importantly for me (aside from Menchie's 4 subsequent posts) was the following section of entropy's post # 114 :
When I went back and looked at Menchie's posts in that light, I can absolutely see a case for her being Mafia currently. I'm not sure she is, and definitely won't be voting for her lynch right now, but I would really like to see her answers to the points Kat has made.
Kat - omg PLEASE DON'T DIE and preferably be Town, too. "Null" for now as I need to read back over everything with a clear head to see if I'm thinking she's Town because she is/seems to be, or just because that would make our lives so much easier lol.
Toadsworthy - hmm, so much could be said... but I think he's Town, and I think he's trying to hold himself in check after the infamous events of MLC (Miraculous Ladybug Cultists). It would be great if he could stop use words like "spastic" or "bullying" in contexts where they don't apply,
- - - Post Merge - - -
EBWOP : I HATE THE ****ING WORLD. I WAS BACK-SPACING MY WORDS, HOW THE **** DID THAT EQUATE TO PUBLISHING THIS ****ING POST OH MY ****ING GOSH.
1. Amanda1983
2. Sparro
3. Iwaseleanor
4. Fleshy
5. Nightmares
6. Menchie
7. Arstotzkan [kat] [IC]
8. Toadsworthy [SE]
9. Entropy [SE]
Sparro - nothing new to add really, I took his initial posts in a different way to others.
Iwaseleanor - has posted once since the game started, and that post was about 18 hours ago now. If I hadn't just seen her be (seemingly) AWOL whilst Cult in MLCs, then I honestly would not be so suspicious.
Fleshy - I've been going back and forth over a couple of posts, trying to work out what is niggling at me. I think, basically, I'm stuck on how defensive he is. I think I've read similar comments in every game of his I've read back through, but .. there's something I can't quite pin down. Whether I'm now overthinking it or not, I have changed from having no suspicion to having some.
Nightmares - I'd read her as "null" until her post earlier tonight, # 144. I was curious about all the PL talk going on about her (based on previous games I have yet to read) but wanted more info before asking any questions. I think her post would be a pretty bold move if she was Mafia though, guaranteed to attract attention her way - whilst mentioning Fleshy and Toads, 2 players currently in the spotlight - unnecessarily. I don't see what would be gained by that post if she was Mafia.
Menchie - I read them as Pro-Town in post # 98 but a lot has happened since then, most importantly for me (aside from Menchie's 4 subsequent posts) was the following section of entropy's post # 114 :
When I went back and looked at Menchie's posts in that light, I can absolutely see a case for her being Mafia currently. I'm not sure she is, and definitely won't be voting for her lynch right now, but I would really like to see her answers to the points Kat has made.
Kat - omg PLEASE DON'T DIE and preferably be Town, too. "Null" for now as I need to read back over everything with a clear head to see if I'm thinking she's Town because she is/seems to be, or just because that would make our lives so much easier lol.
Toadsworthy - hmm, so much could be said... but I think he's Town, and I think he's trying to hold himself in check after the infamous events of MLC (Miraculous Ladybug Cultists). It would be great if he could stop use words like "spastic" or "bullying" in contexts where they don't apply,
- - - Post Merge - - -
EBWOP : I HATE THE ****ING WORLD. I WAS BACK-SPACING MY WORDS, HOW THE **** DID THAT EQUATE TO PUBLISHING THIS ****ING POST OH MY ****ING GOSH.
oh, i wasn't talking about policying you though.....
i've already explained...the reason i specifically mentioned you as a good lynch was because i legit saw u online/viewing the thread and u didn't reply. you didn't say anything for two days and then come back now
and if u want the reason about the rqs its the first sentence, i bolded it
also i didn't expect a detailed response but i did expect a response.....
idek what to make of you pushing me honestly.....especially since u saw me as town last game where i didn't sit there and explain all my reads but that doesn't mean they were weak (i was just lazy/unmotivated)
i feel like it's really redundant to keep going over the PL thing, i've stated why PL isn't bad and why i wanted to do it, so what about it exactly do you find it weak? and why do you townread toadsworthy?
also, why would you think eleanor and i are a team? (since you didn't mark anyone else as sus)
amanda1983
Senior Member
EBWOP # 2 : Okay. So. That happened. Sorry. Maybe I'll learn that trying to finish a reads post (that I've been working on, amongst other things, since lunchtime) at 1:30am is a bad idea. Especially since I've been doing so whilst trying not to disturb my sleeping nephew who is visiting, smh..
(BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT I GOT THOSE ****ING COLOURS RIGHT THIS TIME, AT LEAST!)
I'm just going to continue my reads post now that I got the explanation out of the way :
Toadsworthy - hmm, so much could be said... but I think he's Town, and I think he's trying to hold himself in check after the infamous events of MLC (Miraculous Ladybug Cultists). It would be great if he could stop using words like "spastic" (please) or "bullying" in contexts where they don't apply, and generally tone down the defensiveness, but I think he's doing well to have held himself together under the pressure from entropy this game. I would just like to see more of a focus on finding Mafia, rather than rehashing the same ground that has been re-raised etc etc..
Side-note : I was around for the drama, yes, but I couldn't see any value in me potentially derailing an important "push" from entropy (please tell me I'm using that term correctly??), particularly in light of what happened the *last* time she got derailed.. so my only contributions would have been about "calming down" and "choosing words with care", similar to last game, and RL timing meant that didn't seem necessary by the time I was able to post. Afterwards I was engrossed in reading previous games and compiling my reads list as well as a list of general questions to ask Kat. And my nephew and other RL things.
Entropy - If she's Town, and Kat's Town, then things will be much easier to figure out. I'm *really* hoping she's Town since I like the logic she offers (again). So... I've left her "null" for now for the same reason for the null read on Kat. I know Kat already asked, but I'm very curious about the change in read for Menchie, as I have gone entirely the other way in my read.
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Okay, that concludes my efforts for this evening. I will be halfway through a special library Storytime session with my nephew when Day 1 ends tomorrow (gotta love last minute family stuff), so I most likely won't be able to change my vote at the last minute. I'll be busy by around 10am my time, 2 hours before day ends. I'll still be reading here when I can, but I intend to have my vote placed before I get busy with kiddos.
(BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT I GOT THOSE ****ING COLOURS RIGHT THIS TIME, AT LEAST!)
I'm just going to continue my reads post now that I got the explanation out of the way :
Toadsworthy - hmm, so much could be said... but I think he's Town, and I think he's trying to hold himself in check after the infamous events of MLC (Miraculous Ladybug Cultists). It would be great if he could stop using words like "spastic" (please) or "bullying" in contexts where they don't apply, and generally tone down the defensiveness, but I think he's doing well to have held himself together under the pressure from entropy this game. I would just like to see more of a focus on finding Mafia, rather than rehashing the same ground that has been re-raised etc etc..
Side-note : I was around for the drama, yes, but I couldn't see any value in me potentially derailing an important "push" from entropy (please tell me I'm using that term correctly??), particularly in light of what happened the *last* time she got derailed.. so my only contributions would have been about "calming down" and "choosing words with care", similar to last game, and RL timing meant that didn't seem necessary by the time I was able to post. Afterwards I was engrossed in reading previous games and compiling my reads list as well as a list of general questions to ask Kat. And my nephew and other RL things.
Entropy - If she's Town, and Kat's Town, then things will be much easier to figure out. I'm *really* hoping she's Town since I like the logic she offers (again). So... I've left her "null" for now for the same reason for the null read on Kat. I know Kat already asked, but I'm very curious about the change in read for Menchie, as I have gone entirely the other way in my read.
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Okay, that concludes my efforts for this evening. I will be halfway through a special library Storytime session with my nephew when Day 1 ends tomorrow (gotta love last minute family stuff), so I most likely won't be able to change my vote at the last minute. I'll be busy by around 10am my time, 2 hours before day ends. I'll still be reading here when I can, but I intend to have my vote placed before I get busy with kiddos.
you are implying i've targeted only you and toadsworthy, but i didn't. i also pressured other people (sparro and kat) but i don't think they're good lynches
also i've never seen you be emotional, so how could i be targeting you as someone that gets emotional?
and the last line is taking my reads out of context, how could i pressure toadsworthy for something i didn't know he was doing until after i pressured him? when i first mentioned PL it was super early in the game. it wasn't until later that i saw him make two reads and didn't notice he only made those ones until i ISO'd (isolated searched) him. that's when i dropped the PL thing and made that post.
amanda1983
Senior Member
EBWOP # 3 : and ninja'd again!
Arstotzkan
A scum mom
Haven't had much time to make a post, but my position as IC has little bearing on my play. In fact, I was asked by Ness to not let it influence my play. The only time I'll play as IC is when I'm typing in that bold blue color. So please don't base your reads on me on my position as IC
only 2 more hours till school lets out hype. I'll post what I've got for now.
@Fleshy Weren't you being pushed in Imprison the Criminals by Chrys? And not buying this in the slightest:
only 2 more hours till school lets out hype. I'll post what I've got for now.
@Fleshy Weren't you being pushed in Imprison the Criminals by Chrys? And not buying this in the slightest:
My question was this:Fleshy said:
Points means multiple. That means her whole argument. Not the first part of an argument that's by far her weakest point.me said:
