Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[Antonio]

@Chele - I wasn't going after Evan, I was just questioning his choices. I didn't think what evan did was scummy at all, I just wanted to know why he did this or that.

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Anyways, I'm off to bed. It's midnight. Good night everyone <3

 

[Dolby]

Toads has honestly risen to my top TL

 

[N e s s]

Last post for tonight, just a few shower thoughts I've collected:

Based off of interactions alone, I feel like Amazonevan19 and Runeraider would not be on a team together. Their interaction felt pretty candid, no-strings-attached. The same could possibly be said for Temptations and Evan, but it's a bit less concrete. Antonio's whole thing with the RQS doesn't feel very alignment indicative imo since he has basically always shown apathy when playing mafia.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and state that I doubt that Dolby and Toadsworthy would be teamed together, but I think that time will make this more apparent. Possible Town vs Scum interaction between the two of them.

Rn I think Evan is kinda town, I feel scum evan wouldn't be that stupid to bring attention to himself bc he's kind of an easily lynchable person (people aren't really hesitant to lynch him, unlike dolby, ness, toads, jacob, etc), and as scum would he not just save the trouble and name 4 different people?

Also Chele's RQS when she answered the RQS question, idk how to feel about that. Most people answer the fearkill from a mafia POV but she answered from a town POV which is interesting.

I really like heyden's train of thought at the moment since it mirror's mine. The point about Chele feels highly townlike to me (as well as makes me think Chele is kinda townish too). heyden is the greenest to me atm.

Holy **** is this fake dumbtell extraordinare. An "I love lying" reference, not knowing I'm in the game dispite being in like 1/3 of the posts already, giving no explanation as to why I'd be a fear kill (instead praising my mafia play), and not knowing how many maf there are. Holy ****, this either betrays a blatant not reading of a single post (including the OP), or, I don't even know what
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Gonna just cast aside the whole of that post of Antonio's being a fake dumbtell because they're clearly inattentive

This doesn't sit right with me. Dolby pretty much took two steps forward and one back with this. Going into extensive detail about his take on Temptation's RQS stuff and then taking it all back in under a couple of minutes. Slight FoS towards Dolby atm.

It's been awhile since I've played mafia, which means I am either going to do really good or really bad. I'm not one to do a traditional check in post but meta pretty much forces me to. Also woo stayed up late to post, it's lit!

I still think this is one of the scummier posts that has been made so far, but granted that this is Trundle's only post at the moment I'd like to see more from him. But again, his whole "i'm gonna be good or bad" as well as the part of the meta makes me think that Trundle is insecure about whether or not he looks town.

 

[Dolby]

Could you explain more? I do not see how asking (they weren't even "pushing") for the RQ's to the king could come across as somewhat sucking up? Ness and Toads probably wanted to start off the conversation, seeing as early-game conversation is very awkward. Also what difference would it make to Vanessa if they asked for the RQ's? Everybody is going to ask for them anyways, and eventually we'll all answer it. It's not like Vanessa is gonna have a bias to them for asking for the RQ's.

The thing is that today can really be seen as Vanessa's choice, and the higher up in her reads you are, the better for today at least. The fact that she has a vote makes her vote the most important bc she isn't exactly going to vote somebody she townleans. In that way, if your objective has a higher emphasis on avoiding being lynched, being on her good side is more important. But anyway, elevating Vanessa's importance is a possible scum tactic as it's buddying and pocketing (Ness and Toads are the two players that I'd expect it most from as well), and while I don't SR Ness or Toads rn, I do feel like behavior like that is a scumtell in this setup

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This doesn't sit right with me. Dolby pretty much took two steps forward and one back with this. Going into extensive detail about his take on Temptation's RQS stuff and then taking it all back in under a couple of minutes. Slight FoS towards Dolby atm.

As for the stepping back on this, it became pretty clear that Antonio was just missing stuff the farther in the thread I got

 

[Chele]

The thing is that today can really be seen as Vanessa's choice, and the higher up in her reads you are, the better for today at least. The fact that she has a vote makes her vote the most important bc she isn't exactly going to vote somebody she townleans. In that way, if your objective has a higher emphasis on avoiding being lynched, being on her good side is more important. But anyway, elevating Vanessa's importance is a possible scum tactic as it's buddying and pocketing (Ness and Toads are the two players that I'd expect it most from as well), and while I don't SR Ness or Toads rn, I do feel like behavior like that is a scumtell in this setup

Well, Ness and Toads didn't exactly 'elevate' her importance. Their posts don't say anything about it tbh.

also Vanessa I think you should make the RQS for us

I don't see Dolby here so if Vanessa won't post RQS then I can

I don't even know why Ness is being mentioned here, he didn't even consider Vanessa to be so 'high of importance' and he isn't sucking up at all. Toads probably saw that Vanessa is the only person active (at the time) so he asked her to make RQ's because perhaps he didn't want to do it himself. They didn't demand her to do it at all, they asked. And how could RQ's make Vanessa TR them or make them get on her good side? Also, you say that Toads is highest in you TLs yet you'd expect him and Ness to be capable of trying to avoid getting lynched?

 

[toadsworthy]

Toads has honestly risen to my top TL

weird, but I'm not happy with you so far. I think calling out me and ness early like this is a scum dolby thing. Like it draws attention to people being vocal so that scum can blend in more by being less vocal

 

[amazonevan19]

I'm so confused. You just did a 180 from defending yourself to saying "slight TL on Antonio & Rune". Honestly I wouldn't even call it AI, because they're just attacking you based on ONE of your RQ's and it's just an answer which said 'lol'. You even justified yourself by saying 'I'll choose a random.org selection' and stuff, but what's with this abrupt turn?

I think it made sense to go after my RQ answer as it was lazy, and so I'm giving them a little bit of town points for pointing that out. Don't see maf caring about that enough to pressure me this early on. Doesn't mean I don't stand by my defense though.

 

[toadsworthy]

I think it made sense to go after my RQ answer as it was lazy, and so I'm giving them a little bit of town points for pointing that out. Don't see maf caring about that enough to pressure me this early on. Doesn't mean I don't stand by my defense though.

I know you've made lazy answers in your RQS before because I sussed you hard for it one time.

 

[amazonevan19]

I find it a bit strange that Dolby puts Toads as his top TL then dishes shade at him for "elevating" Vanessa just to avoid being killed today

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I know you've made lazy answers in your RQS before because I sussed you hard for it one time.

well it's kinda my MO. RQs just get the ball rolling and force people to talk. I don't find them exceptionally helpful for the most part, especially poorly worded questions like "who do you think is scum" when literally nothing has happened.

 

[Chele]

I think it made sense to go after my RQ answer as it was lazy, and so I'm giving them a little bit of town points for pointing that out. Don't see maf caring about that enough to pressure me this early on. Doesn't mean I don't stand by my defense though.

My question is: If you don't see Mafia caring about your RQ answer (which is odd... I thought that Mafia are opportunists and grasp on straws a lot) then how do you see Town reacting to that question? I'd put them in my null list if I were you, because Town wouldn't even care a bit about your answer either. I don't get the reasoning as to why they have received town points.

 

[amazonevan19]

My question is: If you don't see Mafia caring about your RQ answer (which is odd... I thought that Mafia are opportunists and grasp on straws a lot) then how do you see Town reacting to that question? I'd put them in my null list if I were you, because Town wouldn't even care a bit about your answer either. I don't get the reasoning as to why they have received town points.

Slightest of TRs on Antonio and Rune for latching on to my RQ answer; it was lazy play and it's hard to see scum trying to get me over this. Could also be opportunistic scum but seriously? This early on? Nahh I doubt it

It's definitely possible but in my viewpoint, I don't see a scum being that nitpicky, this early on. It'll just put the spotlight on them eventually were that to be the case. I think it's a bit towny to press me for my motivations on a noncommital answer. JMO

 

[toadsworthy]

My question is: If you don't see Mafia caring about your RQ answer (which is odd... I thought that Mafia are opportunists and grasp on straws a lot) then how do you see Town reacting to that question? I'd put them in my null list if I were you, because Town wouldn't even care a bit about your answer either. I don't get the reasoning as to why they have received town points.

I think you are getting at the argument that putting lazy answers can give easy fodder for mafia to jump on, but then also can cause pro-active townies to jump at too to sus him as scum.... thats why you sort of need to know the player a little bit in each situation.

For example a newbie player who is scum that jumps at Evan's answer would be suspicious because it looks like they are anxious and lynch-happy. But a more more experienced player doing it makes me wonder what is going on... its a matter of where does Temptations lie on that spectrum. On one hand I don't consider antonio too experienced, but on the other he kind of jumps down people's throat a lot (right punchy). I lean towards its scummy and antonio is inexperienced using that logic.

Aside from this, I like Chele's questioning and thought process so far

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TLR Evan posting lazy answers isn't town helpful which is typically scummy. But the fact that its evan doing it, its what I expect so its not scummy (not town leaning either I may add, but not scum indicating right off the bat). And Antonio jumping on it based on the logic i explained, makes me weary of antonio

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TL : DR* not that dumb gyroid

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It's definitely possible but in my viewpoint, I don't see a scum being that nitpicky, this early on. It'll just put the spotlight on them eventually were that to be the case. I think it's a bit towny to press me for my motivations on a noncommital answer. JMO

Noobie scum don't know that though

 

[amazonevan19]

Noobie scum don't know that though

They know now if we keep talking about it so shhhh /s

While I agree somewhat with Toads on Chele, I am also reminded of the fact that she was a pro at generating townie content as scum, and generally is pretty consistent content-wise. So it's not a unique reason to TL solidly, but based on the breadth of people she's questioning, as well as what she's asking, I like what I see so far.

 

[Dolby]

I find it a bit strange that Dolby puts Toads as his top TL then dishes shade at him for "elevating" Vanessa just to avoid being killed today

I'm past that, I was explaining the thought process of my past post

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Hi I’m awake

Antonio is slightly different than last game let me get on my laptop and make a case

 

[cornimer]

First off I'd like to thank all my loyal subjects for not trashing my RQS yet (which I will answer soon)

Second of all I don't see toads asking me to make RQS as him sucking up to me, I saw it as him testing me while I'm in power to determine my alignment which is a good idea.

Third of all Antonio is always kinda unaware of what's going on so I don't find his posts AI. If it was anyone else I could see it as fake dumbtelling.

Fourth of all idk if I like Rune going after Evan's RQS but she gets easier to read the more she posts so I'm not concerned about that yet

Finally, I want everyone to make a vote for who should be lynched and we can keep tally here in the thread. I'll follow it unless I really strongly disagree

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The main reason for that is: I don't want people to get lazy and try to coast without giving reass just because I'm making the final decision. You can get a lot of info out of who votes for who.

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*without giving reads

 

[PunchyTheCat]

What is your timezone and how active will you be? EST, active
Preferred pronouns and/or nicknames? him/he and Punchy/Poncho/Panchy/Pinchy/Lunchy/Penchy/Brian
Do you prefer being town or mafia? mafia bc I'm good at it
Guess the scum team: Antonio, Trundle, mog and Dolby
Who would you fearkill N1? Dolby, Ness, Dad (but he's not here), and maybe toads
Who can best read you/who can you read the best? I don't know if I'm actually currently read well by anyone, most of the players that claim to read me well haven't played a game with me in over a year

Q1 - Preferred pronouns: Him/He
Q2 - Do you prefer playing as town or mafia?: Mafia because I'm actually good
Q3 - Do you think it's fair to read people off their RQS answers?: yes
Q4 - What are indicators of someone (any random person) being scum in your opinion?: wishywashyness, lack of opinions, geberally bandwagoning, and buddying
Q5 - Guess scumteam right now: Antonio, Tae, Toads, and Evan (I'm aware this is a different team

next, my antonio case

 

[EpicGamer12]

1. What is your timezone and how active will you be? AST (1 hour past EST) and probably fairly active
2. Preferred pronouns and/or nicknames? Him/He and either just call me Trundle or ScumDaddy69
3. Do you prefer being town or mafia? Mafia
4. Guess the scum team: Dolby, mog, Punchy, Temptations
5. Who would you fearkill N1? Myself
6. Who can best read you/who can you read the best? I am really good at reading Tom, but he is not in this game. I don't think anyone can actually read me that well until there is a group consensus that I am scum.
7. Do you think it's fair to read people off their RQS answers? Yes, at certain points. It is always nice to read back to someone's scum team guesses after they are killed.
8. What are indicators of someone (any random person) being scum in your opinion?: Dilated pupils, cold sweats, arms spaghetti. Also I think it's pretty obvious someone is scum once they start backpedaling hard on old points once called out on them, or attempt to align themselves with proven town too much.

@Ness I am not sure if you remember this, but you often scum read me early game because I am just a scummy person in nature. You're free to ask me questions and push me all you want this game but the more time you spend on me, the more time you're giving mafia opportunity to hide in the shadows. I'm not blaming you for anything you've done so far, as it is all fair game, but just a warning as I think you may have pushed me too hard in the past.

Can anyone tell me if Punchy has improved at all? The most recent post as seen a few posts above mine makes me think no, but we will see.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

What is your timezone and how active will you be? EST and classes begin on Tuesday but I am known to procrastinate so I will mostly be here.
Preferred pronouns and/or nicknames? He/him and Y'all can call me Antonio.
Do you prefer being town or mafia? Mafia because I love lying.
Guess the scum team: How many are there? I need to go check the main post before I go any further. :/
Who would you fear kill N1? Dolby, if he's playing. I wouldn't have guessed he was scum last game by the way he went for Dad.
Who can best read you/who can you read the best? I am horrible at reading so I don't know. .-. Also, not 100% aware who knows me best to read me but in the last game, the majority thought I was scum until I made an oppsie and I was modkilled. I was a townie in that game.

Anyways, I'm going to figure out how to setup this printer. If anyone wants to help me, private message me. I'll send my discord information but I think I left my cord at my mom's house. I think I did.

tldr just avoiding making opinions with a whole lot of fluff and shading players of the previous game

 

[cornimer]

Can anyone tell me if Punchy has improved at all? The most recent post as seen a few posts above mine makes me think no, but we will see.

He won two scum games in a row recently, so even if his posts get a little all over the place he's one to watch out for

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1. What is your timezone and how active will you be? EST, not the most active player in the game prob but fairly active (unless I get randomly swamped with schoolwork)
2. Preferred pronouns and/or nicknames? she/her, Vanessa
3. Do you prefer being town or mafia? leaning towards town
4. Guess the scum team: Trundle, Rune, Mog, Jacob
5. Who would you fearkill N1? Dolby or Ness
6. Who can best read you/who can you read the best? I don't think anyone can read me that well (hey at least I can't get D1 lynched this game.) In the past I've been right about Chele, Rune (except for that AZ game) and Bianca
7. Do you think it's fair to read people off their RQS answers? I think people nitpick at them too much but if they are good questions they could potentially be helpful sometimes.
8. What are indicators of someone (any random person) being scum in your opinion?: Producing content that tries to look helpful but actually isn't, scumreading someone but not voting for them, bandwagoning

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Whoops ignore the Trundle quote, those are my RQS answers