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Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

What is it that you don't like about my post? and just because I questioned Punchy on him townlocking Mog right away infers that me and mog are not team? if i want to distance myself from mog, i would not even address that. All I am saying is Punchy is quick to say townlock, he could have said she seems town from her tone but townlocking someone is just too early.

I don't think Trundle is townlocking me. He is just saying I appear town, much as Vanessa said I appear scummy. They have their own interpretation. But one thing is certain, Trundle seems nicer. It's a long way from screaming at me to shut up.

I really don't see anything in there that screams town or even gave me a reasont to think that you're town earlier, especially in the earlier posts that Trundle represented. Thus I'm pressuring him on it :)

Honestly I find it weird (not sus though) that you're attacking me anti-aligning you with Mog
 
I really don't see anything in there that screams town or even gave me a reasont to think that you're town earlier, especially in the earlier posts that Trundle represented. Thus I'm pressuring him on it :)

Honestly I find it weird (not sus though) that you're attacking me anti-aligning you with Mog

questioning, not attacking..
 
Disclaimer: I am not really sure how I am going to present this, it might look like a mess but here goes

Your RQS actually tipped me off originally. Before you even posted that newer one I was incredibly suspicious of you. Why? Let's dig in:



Non-committal: Your RQ responses look like you're trying to stay as passive as possible. I can almost smell a fear in your posts that is never there when you're town. There is so much "maybe" and "idk", and the last question's response with the "usually" at the end makes me feel like there is a huge element of wariness coming from you.

I don't really want to pull too much out of the RQS considering it's just an RQS, so I'll move onto your next post.



(1) Smiley face: The "===)". Where does it come from? Is this a town member that is genuinely excited about reading more when he gets back to his dorm? It doesn't read like that to me. Looks to me, genuinely, like a nervous emoticon. I don't know how to explain it properly, hopefully Heyden can because he is usually really good at explaining this stuff.
(2) The fixation on me, mog, and unravel: I really do not see the connection between the three of us (or lack of connection you might have been looking at). It looks like you are listing off a small group where a tiny bit of content happened where you know there are three townies and call "at LEAST one mafia" in the three of us to make a safe general contribution where nobody could call you out if you were wrong.

I hope Heyden or someone else who agrees with me can elaborate more. I haven't actually attempted to explain my reads in a game since my prime mafia time but I'm actually trying to be useful right now so I hope you all enjoy. If you liked it please subscribe and give my video a thumbs up.

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I'm back to normal now, you guys don't need to worry about me. It is very kind of you guys to be understanding but I was way more chill IRL when I wrote that than it sounds in the post.

oh ok ill try to break my response down

1. A lot of your suspicious doesn't really come from any actual content, just ur gut feeling about me

2. Smiley faces are just a term of endearment/sarcasm I guess. I can't really understand why you would think I would be nervous at all at that moment

3. uh yes I have a fixation on u 3, I saw something I found scummy. I'm sorry you don't see your connection in what I saw. But what I saw was you and mog have seemingly (to me) forged drama or something to create a separation between you guys. Unravels involvement with "its joke" felt like a very very similar kind of tactic. Mog did kinda explain why she got upset and I can understand. It was just one of my day one thoughts
 
hi

I'm back

Antonio fk off

Bianca is still wishywashy, fluffy, and defo not town bianca

also if people think that was AtE I had no reason to do that then, I had little to no sus on myself
 
i’m in mobile rn but damn the ness/trundle thing must have been how y’all all saw me and roads back in the day.

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toads
 
hi

I'm back

Antonio fk off

Bianca is still wishywashy, fluffy, and defo not town bianca

also if people think that was AtE I had no reason to do that then, I had little to no sus on myself

Jesus Christ, why the hell are you being so aggressive? Punchy, people are gonna criticize you on the way you play because that's basically what this game is. The only thing you can do is improve your gameplay and try your best. You have come a long way since your first game (and so have I, I think we started on the same game) and you have improved every game since. Don't let people bother you and keep improving. You can do it!
 
and yes I do suggest lynching inactives, Vanessa, if need be
Pushing for the seemingly easily inactive targets, in which there's none so far (thank god), and directly addressing Vanessa just feels like sucking up and buddying.
you are all ready to townlock people really?
Mafia's #1 priority on day one is to ensure that people aren't being confirmed so quickly, I noticed that trying to deconfirm town is kind of an unconscious thing scum does early bc they're paranoid of a narrowing scum pool.
##Lynch- inactives?

Jacob's scumpool of Mog/Waffles/Trundle felt off, as if he's pushing for lynches that won't happen (except Trundle), esp when Mog's displaying pretty town behaviour and Waffles hasn't really posted much. Jacob hasn't posted enough yet for me to determine anything but its just that one post that rlly stuck out to me.

I think I sussed someone else but obv they're not very important if I forgot. Rn I'm kinda leaning Bianca for my 'vote'. She waltzed into the game and I immediately felt uncomfortable with her posts, so I'm going by that for now.

Does anyone know any recent proper games Bianca has played in recently? not including those 5 player gimmicky games cos I can't really read those.
 
I'm curious to know Dolby's thoughts on Jacob and his sus on me, mog, and/or unravel

Tbh I really can't wrap Jacob around in my mind except that I do like the sus on Unravel without reading it
 
Jesus Christ, why the hell are you being so aggressive? Punchy, people are gonna criticize you on the way you play because that's basically what this game is. The only thing you can do is improve your gameplay and try your best. You have come a long way since your first game (and so have I, I think we started on the same game) and you have improved every game since. Don't let people bother you and keep improving. You can do it!

for the record there’s a big different between people going “oh wow punchy was kinda outta control here.” and having multiple people make snide ass comments about whether or not he’s ever improved or tried to be better. like it wasn’t a jab at his playsytle it was a direct jab at people thinking he’s incompetite when it comes to playing.

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which was pretty ducking rude
 
for the record there’s a big different between people going “oh wow punchy was kinda outta control here.” and having multiple people make snide ass comments about whether or not he’s ever improved or tried to be better. like it wasn’t a jab at his playsytle it was a direct jab at people thinking he’s incompetite when it comes to playing.

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which was pretty ducking rude

I'm not well aware of what posts he was referring too, could you quote it.
 
Jesus Christ, why the hell are you being so aggressive? Punchy, people are gonna criticize you on the way you play because that's basically what this game is. The only thing you can do is improve your gameplay and try your best. You have come a long way since your first game (and so have I, I think we started on the same game) and you have improved every game since. Don't let people bother you and keep improving. You can do it!

1. I'm not being agressive, you're the one calling my playstyle bad.
2. This game isn't about playstyles
3. Have you won a large majority of your scum games? No, you haven't. Don't question my playstyle.
4. I believe your first game was RHOM. I have been in almost every game since Denote to Shyna. That is a blatant lie.
 
Pushing for the seemingly easily inactive targets, in which there's none so far (thank god), and directly addressing Vanessa just feels like sucking up and buddying.

Mafia's #1 priority on day one is to ensure that people aren't being confirmed so quickly, I noticed that trying to deconfirm town is kind of an unconscious thing scum does early bc they're paranoid of a narrowing scum pool.


Jacob's scumpool of Mog/Waffles/Trundle felt off, as if he's pushing for lynches that won't happen (except Trundle), esp when Mog's displaying pretty town behaviour and Waffles hasn't really posted much. Jacob hasn't posted enough yet for me to determine anything but its just that one post that rlly stuck out to me.

I think I sussed someone else but obv they're not very important if I forgot. Rn I'm kinda leaning Bianca for my 'vote'. She waltzed into the game and I immediately felt uncomfortable with her posts, so I'm going by that for now.

Does anyone know any recent proper games Bianca has played in recently? not including those 5 player gimmicky games cos I can't really read those.

I see similarity, mainly via tone, to her scum game Caxnival which was her last scum game. I think her most recent town game was American Politics? She was also in Kingmaker and Improbable Role Mafia

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1. I'm not being agressive, you're the one calling my playstyle bad.
2. This game isn't about playstyles
3. Have you won a large majority of your scum games? No, you haven't. Don't question my playstyle.
4. I believe your first game was RHOM. I have been in almost every game since Denote to Shyna. That is a blatant lie.

I don't think he joined until Woodpines mafia
 
i haven't played a lot with bianca but doesn't she always feel a bit scummy, i feel like in this case i'd like to have 'meta' on her but i don't so it would be unfair of me to just go off of that
 
That feeling when you?ve slept and there?s like SO many more pages to read up on. I hate timezones.
tldr just avoiding making opinions with a whole lot of fluff and shading players of the previous game

How does Antonio?s RQ?s involve fluff? There?s literally nothing that seems fillery or forced. It?s just him talking about his playstyle, pronouns and personal opinion on what happened in other games. Also, I don?t think that he?s even shading players. This is a bad case to make, especially on his RQ?s.

I'm also slightly scumreading Ness/Chele bc I noticed them kinda lowkey defending each other for separate points but I have nothing to base it off really and it's just a weird hunch, so I'll come back later with more formulated reads tomorrow given there are more posts hopefully :')

I can almost see where you?re coming from, the thing is that it?s not only Ness that I?ve defended. I?ve also been defending Evan, Toads and Antonio. Also I don?t know why you?re scumreading Ness, he never defended me. Look back at his posts and he only just said that he slightly TR?d me but with a bit of caution.

Antonio is kind of uncoordinated of what he is doing I couldn't tell if it's legit or not; he's kinda suspicious in my opinion

Yes, he is uncoordinated but look into his playstyle and look at his previous posts. He even mentioned Dad in one of his posts and didn?t think that Dolby was playing. This means that he is just inattentive. Just wait until he posts more then you could make a judgement.

ik it's been picked up on but antonio wasn't sure dolby was even in the game and then wasn't sure if dad was in the game? you'd think you'd at least check after you had to check if dolby was in the ground, i find it weird he didn't check before he even said that initially. maybe it's nothing and he doesn't read carefully like heyden said but doing it twice is just clumsy and weird

Majority of people are going for Antonio just for his RQ?s. I feel like this is just a very easy bandwagon because so many other people have just been saying stuff about him and I?m pretty sure that I have proved him to be ignorant towards the game. Obviously he didn?t read the OP or just skimmed through the posts, but that?s not AI at all. You have no right to even sus him over one post (which is his first post). Also I?m not just aiming this at you, Mog.

no, not really after thinking about it, just thought it was weird he did it twice, like i said tho there's no reason for him to be clumsy, not like it benefits him, just find it strange people don't bother even looking at the player list before answering questions like that

It is sorta filler to just comment on something which feels ?weird? and not even feel sus about it? It?s just the damn RQ?s and an OP, there?s no point even making a case off of it.

By stating that refusing to answer specific questions in RQS is not usually alignment indicative, Heyden is showing he really has town's interests in mind. The way the whole paragraph is written reads very town to me.
(3) He called out Dolby's small mistake (or non-mistake, I don't really care) calling out 3 mafia instead of 4. His point might not be entirely relevant, but the fact that he is reading and paying attention to the details makes me think that Heyden has little bias towards any players at the moment.

First of all, can we just count how many players have already declared that the RQ?s and Evan?s refusal aren?t AI? I don?t see how Heyden only stands out to you for that reason. Second, he?s only made two posts so far (aside from the RQ?s), so how does meta and the way only one of the posts that you?ve quoted make it look ?good?? Third, reading into something carefully could also be a Mafia tactic so that they could sus many people based on little things. How does reading into only one question from Dolby?s RQ?s form a reason to clear Heyden for you?

This is 100% town mog, scum mog would be uncomfortable and seem out of it. Check CTSTP

I?m letting you off for this one since you?re an early poster, but clearing somebody JUST for their meta and assuming that they?re town shouldn?t be a good tactic to use, Punchy. People take advice from previous games and change for the better, sometimes (take yourself as an example).

after rereading a bit mog is literally a townlock for me

mog is not AT ALL acting like scum mog that I remember from CTSTP

And now you?re townlocking her based off one game
Anyways Punchy aside from meta, is there anything else you could give us?

mog defending me is definitely towny, mog defo wouldn't do that as scum.

her tone and posting style aren't really alignment indictative, but her content is.

HOW? How is her content AI? Why wouldn?t she defend you as scum? Elaborate please.

Yeah I could, this part is more linked towards Chele bc her posts seemed kinda overcautious when she tried to deconfirm Rune/Antonio as town bc they were questioning Evan (which is a valid point), but I didn't like how quick she was to shrug off 'sucking up to Vanessa' towards you and Toads. Ofc that's probably her own personal scumtells but it just felt inconsistent to me.
I sandwiched you in last night probs bc I townread toads more, plus her defence on you was almost a paragraph long.

How was I overcautious? Also, it is a valid point to shrug off Vanessa. Dolby came into the game saying ?yo toads and ness are sucking up to vanessa using the RQ?s? and obviously that?s a very wrong sus. You can?t just sus somebody for asking for RQ?s from Vanessa. As well as that, many other people asked for the RQ?s. And yeah, I always use paragraphs and reasoning to state my points? Again, I?m confused as to why you?re only targeting Ness and I in this. What happened to Toads, Antonio and Evan? I?m pretty sure I defended way more people as well. Ness never defended me.

It reminds me of a game where I think Bowie sussed someone because they are not eating lunch or something or something like that. It still chuckles me to this day

I still laugh to this day as well. I think it was in I?m a Cop You Idiot mafia where Bowie sussed Chick for eating lunch.

This is bull****.

Punchy where?d you get that from? You could always improve your playstyle and tone, nobody is sussing you or hating on you right now. I just wanted a few questions answered from you. Just keep going Punchy.

Mafia's #1 priority on day one is to ensure that people aren't being confirmed so quickly, I noticed that trying to deconfirm town is kind of an unconscious thing scum does early bc they're paranoid of a narrowing scum pool.

Before you come at me for doing this Heyden, what I?m trying to say (and agree with Bianca on that point about Punchy) is that he just said ?Mog sounds towny. Look at one other game. Townlock?. I want Punchy to elaborate more, because his reasoning using meta just by itself is questionable. I?m not trying to deconfirm town.
 
i haven't played a lot with bianca but doesn't she always feel a bit scummy, i feel like in this case i'd like to have 'meta' on her but i don't so it would be unfair of me to just go off of that

caxnival, she was mafia.

check some recent major games, she might have been in them
 
@Chele I don't know if I'm using the terminology wrong but I called him town because I think he is likely town. I'm not saying he is town without any doubt. I read him as town, and if you don't then that's okay. I am going to view him as town in my eyes, and if I'm wrong, then oh well! Sitting null on everyone is one of the least productive ways to play mafia (at least for me) so I like to take risks and call people's alignment if I have a feeling about it.
 
what's with ur tone? 'u have no right' and 'damn' D:? like i even said it wasn't a big deal, i just remarked it was weird, i don't have all this 'oh antonio always does this' knowledge, i have every right to remark on something i find strange, i admit that it wasn't much to go off but the game had just started and i found that pretty odd at the time. i'm not 'going for' antonio and i even defended him against trundle later on? saying he shouldn't go for an easy target. idk why u're being so defensive tbh, i wasn't making a case, i simply remarked on something early game, i'm not the type of person that's gonna come at this thread with huge paragraphs on ppl i haven't played in a year, i'm trying just to make little points here and there about things i think are worth noting but sorry if it isn't up to ur standard i guess
 
1. I'm not being agressive, you're the one calling my playstyle bad.
2. This game isn't about playstyles
3. Have you won a large majority of your scum games? No, you haven't. Don't question my playstyle.
4. I believe your first game was RHOM. I have been in almost every game since Denote to Shyna. That is a blatant lie.

1. "Antonio *** off". Oh, it was me? My apologies then, I didn't mean to offend. I was just doing comparisons from this game and last game.
2. In order to read someone better, you have to understand someone's playstyle. Like I said, comparison.
3. Why are you mentioning this?
4. RHOM? I swear you were in the same game as me.
 
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