Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[Jacob]

Who do you want to Lynch then?

Trundle
Unravel
Antonio
Mog
Bianca
Chele
Ness

This order

 

[Antonio]

https://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?435036-Caxnival-Mafia-Game-Thread-End-Game

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Is that it?

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That game is 5 pages in, btw. Punchy and Vanessa, did you actually search through 5 pages of the mafia or are you basing your meta off of memory? Even then, are you two willing to find quotes form this game and the other one and compare them to back up your claims against Bianca.

 

[cornimer]

But would you be providing evidence to prove that back up your decision to ignore the majority if scum is playing with the bandwagons? There are 16 people in this game and only 4 mafia aswell. I'm just worried because I don't really know if you actually have the towns best interest in mind. Between 1 to 100, what are the chances of you actually overriding the majority vote and making the decisions for the game.

Also, what date did carnival mafia begin?

Well yeah I would justify it, I wouldn't just go to the thread and vote for someone random and be like "haha oops thought they were scum", unless I was a jester trying to get myself killed.

I can't really give you a number on a scale of 1 to 100. TBT tends to make bad decisions at EoD on day 1 so I wouldn't say it's super unlikely that I override. It's really a situational thing, depending on who is up for lynch and who is voting for them/how much suspicious bandwagoning is going on.

As of right now, there isn't anyone that I townlean *so strongly* that I would override a majority vote on them (though I might be annoyed if it were Mog because she's my strongest townlean). But if suddenly a whole bunch of people CFD onto, idk, Chele, at 9:55 tomorrow with seemingly no reason, am I going to pass that? No that's scummy as hell. But then I would see who else was being sussed prior to that and not just make a decision out if thin air.

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https://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?435036-Caxnival-Mafia-Game-Thread-End-Game

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Is that it?

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That game is 5 pages in, btw. Punchy and Vanessa, did you actually search through 5 pages of the mafia or are you basing your meta off of memory? Even then, are you two willing to find quotes form this game and the other one and compare them to back up your claims against Bianca.

Yeah that's it
I'll find quotes if I have nothing better to do but there might be other people to look into by tomorrow morning

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You state that Bianca has a scummy tone rn, but the thing is that her tone seems like she is Town. She is answering questions and isn't keeping to herself much (that's something that scum Bianca would do). Although she mostly says "lynch inactives!", at least she contributes tbh. Also I agree on her part when she said that she's more good on day 2-3, because in one of the games where I was mafia (bleh), Bianca was like the most useful townie, and she didn't really have an informal or formal tone. She stepped up in the game towards the last few days, and we could sorta tell why she's not indulged in conversation right now. We are still at that awkward early game conversation stage in all honesty.
Also if not Bianca, then who'd you want to lynch?

Bianca and Trundle are the only people on my scum radar but much of the discussion has been on them today to be fair. Hopefully tonight a greater variety of things happen

 

[Antonio]

@Vanessa, who are your major susses

Besides that, I got no further questions for Vanessa, only time will tell really. Thanks for answering.

 

[unravel]

This order

So you think Trundle really pulling his trick onto his sleeves?

 

[illunie]

on page 37 rn and this game is already a ****ing trainwreck like jesus christ dude

 

[Jacob]

So you think Trundle really pulling his trick onto his sleeves?

He's the player I trust the least. I don't really think he's playing any tricks though

 

[unravel]

Still dont understand why you think Mog as slight scummy

 

[illunie]

How is the length of one's post proof that someone is scummy? Even if you are gonna use this particular meta for backing up your claims, how is that actually scummy? What about the time from that game and this game, couldn't bianca have improved in gameplay therefore the way she plays is different?

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@chele

longer posts usually means that ppl are putting more effort and thought into what theyre saying, so it can be a tell if someone whos usually more laid back and less worried about what they post as town is making longer and more thought out posts bc it can mean theyre more worried about what they say and how its percieved (this is what dolby bullies me for lol)

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Just read all of your posts. There isn't anything to analyze. All but 4 or 5 of your posts were using META, the other few were defending yourself or getting upset (which was understandable)


Theres are all quotes that rely on how someone has played in previous games. There's no other content to analyze

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Punchy you read me

y r u doing what he tells u to do lol, shouldnt u be focused on reading ppl ur interested in and not just what ppl demand of u

 

[Chele]

longer posts usually means that ppl are putting more effort and thought into what theyre saying, so it can be a tell if someone whos usually more laid back and less worried about what they post as town is making longer and more thought out posts bc it can mean theyre more worried about what they say and how its percieved (this is what dolby bullies me for lol)

But at the same time, it?s quality>quantity because the amount if what you write could just be filler fluff, and that?s what Mafia use to blend in (it was also a tactic that I miserably failed to do as Mafia in another game). But as Antonio was saying, the length of the posts doesn?t really matter. Punchy was using that to sus Bianca.

 

[Jacob]

y r u doing what he tells u to do lol, shouldnt u be focused on reading ppl ur interested in and not just what ppl demand of u

bruh i have been

I just reread the entire thread trying to comprehend what's going on a little more because I do actually feel a lot less progressive (?) and interested than normal. All that I've discovered is that there isn't actually real content here. Like half of every "red flag" has been META based and I know someone mentioned that already in the thread but I know from personal experience that META never works when it's just used alone. So realizing that I actually started seeing things a bit more clearly (IMO)


So these are my day one thoughts so far







This interaction is kinda telling for me personally and I know its gonna look bad but I actually really sense Bianca town because of it. In most of the games I've played advocating self Lynch literally never ends well in that person's favor and I feel like Bianca would know that. Clearly "sure why not" isn't as serious as a giving up sort of "Lynch me" but Bianca's intention with this post was carefree enough to not worry about actually getting called out for it ( I hope that translated well ).

Most subsequent reads on Bianca beyond that have been META reading on her attacking her tone. My memory is extremely horrible so I can't even add to her meta because I truthfully don't know her normal play style. I guess what I'm trying to say is it feels like META reading is driving so much of the content here. Its annoying, and I can feel her frustration


The above goes with a lot of people, So far I think ive seen some sort of meta analysis to help form thoughts on Bianca, Antonio, Trundle, mog, Ness, punchy just to name a few (I know I found some of those ppl sus, but it's because of other reasons, not just meta). It's all too prominent, and I think thats whats turning me off



AND THAT BRINGS ME to my next idea after realizing that, Antonio's scummyness (from how I defined it a while ago) has been dismissed because that's generally how he plays, and I decided to just kinda drop it because a lot of people were repeating that same notion. I think dismissing his very first few posts is a mistake. It's early in the game so I definitely am weary and am susing like way more than 4, but I think its better to question than to town read someone for the benefit of the doubt. Regardless if people sometimes dont know who's on the playerlist, thats not something to look over just because.

I read a LOT about Trundle and Ness. In response to some people thinking they were fake almost, Ness's posts looked genuine to me for some reason. Trundle not so much, but he's been nailing into our heads this isn't his normal gameplay so whatever. No way they're maf together

I feel like Chele is the most town because from what I've seen they're pushing with some good in game evidence, not a lot of meta which is the easy route in this game right now

Here's where I am

Chele
Ness
Bianca
Antonio
Mog
Unravel
Trundle

I don't really have thoughts on anyone else

Friends and I are at a study lounge right now just chilling but I wanted to come in and drop a little thought I had while skimming over posts from last night to now

There's a lot of really strange energy coming from Mog and Waffles, and their interaction was charged from Trundle. I don't really know what got mog a little tempered exactly a few pages ago (right after waffle's open RQS), but the whole interaction felt a little more personal/out of game than coming from in game content, if that makes sense. I would not be surprised at all if theres AT LEAST one mafia in Mog, Waffles and Trundle.

another little side note about that though, mog's play right now is actually kinda thorough, does not feel like the mog that I made mafia in Steven universe (I'm not one for using meta much anymore, but mafia mog is definitely more weary/nervous- not sure how that's changed since her inactivity tho)

So between mog waffles and trundle, I get the most towny vibes from mog - but I just felt weird reading most of their posts.
I will be reading more when I get back to my dorm ===)

 

[cornimer]

I can't sleep again so here's one more thought I had about trundle.
It's interesting he is insistent on townreading Bianca. Considering they are my only two susses at the moment and I'm in charge I could technically execute either one. So wouldn't it be smart for him to make her look more sus than him? But instead he explained to me why he townleaned her based off of my own evidence for scumreading her. He doesn't seem interested in just saving his own butt is what I'm saying, which is a town point from me.

 

[Antonio]

Thanks for explaining rune because I never understood why people sus based on length of a post. I mean, I still don't see how it's scummy (because ya know, it doesn't matter) but I understand how other people might think it's scummy.

Anyways, I'm off to bed. Good night!

 

[amazonevan19]

1. I'm not being agressive, you're the one calling my playstyle bad.
2. This game isn't about playstyles
3. Have you won a large majority of your scum games? No, you haven't. Don't question my playstyle.
4. I believe your first game was RHOM. I have been in almost every game since Denote to Shyna. That is a blatant lie.

holy **** this...doesn't feel like the Punchy I know.

Punchy has a combative relationship with Antonio, sure, but because Punchy feels a good number of people are attacking him as a person this game, he has been incredibly hostile, and this post in particular is a radical departure from the usual. It very much is focusing on settling scores with Antonio about things that don't even pertain to the game itself, and I really dislike that. Usually Punchy's fighting is over in game things but now it's spilling to outside stuff. I am not sure if it's genuine pissed off town or a scum joining in the AtE train here but whatever is going on...doesn't need to be litigated here

 

[Heyden]

I've been looking back on old games with Bianca and now I'm kinda unsure so I'm gonna have to reevalute :/ Day 1 lynches have never been my forte so idk honestly

 

[illunie]

holy **** this...doesn't feel like the Punchy I know.

Punchy has a combative relationship with Antonio, sure, but because Punchy feels a good number of people are attacking him as a person this game, he has been incredibly hostile, and this post in particular is a radical departure from the usual. It very much is focusing on settling scores with Antonio about things that don't even pertain to the game itself, and I really dislike that. Usually Punchy's fighting is over in game things but now it's spilling to outside stuff. I am not sure if it's genuine pissed off town or a scum joining in the AtE train here but whatever is going on...doesn't need to be litigated here

if u tell me thats anything other than emotional town im gonna eat u

 

[amazonevan19]

These are my feelings on people atm:

Townleans: Heyden, toads, Chele, rune (though seems way less involved than I remember him being)
Big fat nulls: Dolby, mog, Vanessa, Jacob, Ness, trundle, tae, unravel, Antonio
Scumleans: Punchy (ever so slightly just based on tone), Bianca (kind of rubbing me the wrong way atm)

I don't really have lots of reasoning behind these reads; these are mainly just gut instincts based on what I've read. I haven't really even studied potential pairings/teamings; I'm kind of just going off of individual behavior to determine the pools.

Trundle's reasoning against Jacob is hit and miss imo - the smiley face is a ****ing huge stretch and legit made me laugh out loud, but the tonal critiques made a bit of sense. Idk it's hard for me to straight up declare Jacob scummy because of that, however.

I have a lot of nulls for a reason. What this thread is suffering from right now is an overabundance of AtE and hyperanalyzing said AtE, and that hyperanalysis is making a lot of people's contribution quality go down as a result. I don't mean to be rude or trash anyone in particular by saying this, but what I mean is that due to the AtE, people are forced to discuss the AtE (which is already lesser quality content), and it diverts energy from actually helping us arrive at a good lynch candidate. Thus it's harder for me to read people in the midst of an avalanche of AtE and subsequent nitpicking/counter-AtEing. Like idk if any of it is AI or not.

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if u tell me thats anything other than emotional town im gonna eat u

It feels much different from even emotional town punchy though. Almost manufactured.

 

[illunie]

ye scum is for sure lurking at this point if trundle is town, which makes me kinda worried about the ppl who havent rly contributed to the ate thing when it was happening (jacob, evan, chele, vanessa kinda and me i guess but ik im not scum so i cant rly scumread myself lol)
thats by no means a comprehensive list and im sure im missing some ppl but id def say that at the top of my list of ppl who have been a little in the background and not saying much of substance is jacob, would def wanted him lynched if i had to choose rn but then again i havent put much effort into looking through ppl yet so its subject to change. would def lock him in as at least a scumread atm

also i tr trundle if u want a hot take

 

[Biancasbotique]

Just to let everyone know that I do not intend to participating in anymore discussion as I am more liable to be METAtized every time I say something, and clearly mafia has took advantage of that.

I never used meta and never will. I am extremely annoyed that saying hi hello to everyone will be the cause of my lynch.

I know that mafia is extremely quiet right now as I am the target of elimination.

Extremely annoyed,

Bianca

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Ps Don't you dare call it AtE! I will kick your ass

love bianca

 

[illunie]

Just to let everyone know that I do not intend to participating in anymore discussion as I am more liable to be METAtized every time I say something, and clearly mafia has took advantage of that.

I never used meta and never will. I am extremely annoyed that saying hi hello to everyone will be the cause of my lynch.

I know that mafia is extremely quiet right now as I am the target of elimination.

Extremely annoyed,

Bianca

if ur trying to look townie maybe completely shutting down and not saying anything isnt the best way to do that lmao