Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[amazonevan19]

Just to let everyone know that I do not intend to participating in anymore discussion as I am more liable to be METAtized every time I say something, and clearly mafia has took advantage of that.

I never used meta and never will. I am extremely annoyed that saying hi hello to everyone will be the cause of my lynch.

I know that mafia is extremely quiet right now as I am the target of elimination.

Extremely annoyed,

Bianca

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Ps Don't you dare call it AtE! I will kick your ass

love bianca

It's **** like this that is making our job incredibly difficult atm

Like my two main scumleans are there because I think their AtE and/or overall presence seems fake, and then Bianca pulls this, which seems super genuinely annoyed town to me.

 

[unravel]

Just to let everyone know that I do not intend to participating in anymore discussion as I am more liable to be METAtized every time I say something, and clearly mafia has took advantage of that.

I never used meta and never will. I am extremely annoyed that saying hi hello to everyone will be the cause of my lynch.

I know that mafia is extremely quiet right now as I am the target of elimination.

Extremely annoyed,

Bianca

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Ps Don't you dare call it AtE! I will kick your ass

love bianca

Its AtE and I want my ass to get kicked

 

[Antonio]

I can't sleep. ugh.

holy **** this...doesn't feel like the Punchy I know.

Punchy has a combative relationship with Antonio, sure, but because Punchy feels a good number of people are attacking him as a person this game, he has been incredibly hostile, and this post in particular is a radical departure from the usual. It very much is focusing on settling scores with Antonio about things that don't even pertain to the game itself, and I really dislike that. Usually Punchy's fighting is over in game things but now it's spilling to outside stuff. I am not sure if it's genuine pissed off town or a scum joining in the AtE train here but whatever is going on...doesn't need to be litigated here

That is because his statements were more formal and he used periods. I personally think he's genuine pissed possible town and joining in the ATE train. I have stated why punchy doing this as town isn't really scum based on meta from previous games.

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Also, why do you think Bianca is scum, evan.

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I really don't understand why everyone is on lynching Bianca.

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Well besides the meta reason but I don't think that is a solid reasoning.

 

[Chele]

Just to let everyone know that I do not intend to participating in anymore discussion as I am more liable to be METAtized every time I say something, and clearly mafia has took advantage of that.

I never used meta and never will. I am extremely annoyed that saying hi hello to everyone will be the cause of my lynch.

I know that mafia is extremely quiet right now as I am the target of elimination.

Extremely annoyed,

Bianca

Bianca, just hang around with us. Not participating is the thing that is actually going to lead to your lynch instead. And didn?t you say you wanted to lynch the inactives? Plus, Bianca, not everybody scumreads you. It?s up to Vanessa to decide, but I doubt she?d lynch you off an opening post which was compared to Caxnival. Unless she?s scumsided, that is.

That is because his statements were more formal and he used periods. I personally think he's genuine pissed possible town and joining in the ATE train. I have stated why punchy doing this as town isn't really scum based on meta from previous games.

Antonio, don?t rely on meta as a heavy source of reasoning. You can?t just not sus Punchy because the only reasoning you have is ?his meta tells a different story?. The reason being that:

What if Bianca improved over that time?

Same situation, but just cut Bianca?s name out and glue on Punchy?s name. Punchy could have definitely changed because I?ve noticed that he has learnt and transformed into a good player over time. He could?ve learnt new things. Anybody could learn after a failure and say ?well, better not do that again?. He?s not going to be the same every single game. There?s a possibility that if he is Mafia, then his scummates may be mentoring him as well. This is why I dislike meta. Yes, it is a piece of reasoning, but no, it can?t be accurate at all times. Apart from meta, I don?t see a reason for Punchy to be TL?d atm.
Also being more formal and using proper grammar doesn?t change anything. I could totally change my style next game and decide to turn off autocorrect, yet I?d still be typing the same thing that comes to my brain. Punchy is just having a change in tone, and nonetheless, his typing style doesn?t justify him.

 

[Antonio]

Chele, Punchy and Bianca are two separate metas. Vanessa and Punchy are comparing Bianca to a game she played in 2017 while I'm comparing Punchy to a game that just ended a little over a week ago or the game that happened before us. I doubt Punchy would suddenly change his 100% entire way of playing the game based off of the previous game. You can see him going back and forth from formal to rush statements (like in last game) so if he was mafia, I would guess he would try to act like he did in previous games without the changes between characters (by that, I mean formal to rush) and none of his statements feels forced. Also, if punchy is being mentored then his team wouldn't have let him get angry over my statements unless he did it without them knowing.

I'm basically saying punchy actions are townish imo and I'm stating this because I feel like you are thinking I'm susing him based on the previous game. Punchy is trying to improve his gameplay and you can see that with the change of quality throughout his posts as it varies. You can also see similarities in the gameplay in this game and the previous game. If he was scum, wouldn't he try to do the same thing or have some effor going into his post.

I agree meta isn't the best reasoning because people can change the way they play but the game I am comparing Punchy to a game that just happened last month. Wouldn't there be at least some similarities if he was assigned the same role?

 

[Heyden]

I?m probably gonna sleep in tomorrow so my preferred lynch would be between Bianca/Jacob realistically but idc if Ness/Chele/Waffles/Evan/Punchy get the boot either. Everyone else I?d probably oppose a lynch to.

 

[Chele]

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That is a good point that you?ve made about Punchy. Apologies on my part, I didn?t know that this game was recent.

But anyways, I understand the whole meta reasoning part but still, you can?t clear off Punchy because I honestly don?t like the way that he is playing. I?m not jumping into the bandwagon, because I have my own reasons:
? His unneeded AtE. I have no idea why Punchy just made like three of those AtE posts, because he had no reason to do so and he got so aggressive so quickly. I don?t see why he would start swearing in thread and going after you and others, I felt that it was very unnecessary and it just came out of nowhere - I don?t understand why the posts were there in the first place.

Spoiler: Reasoning.

OK

I'm done. I'm honestly tired of mafia and being constantly attacked for my "bad play" or "being punchy"

It's literally occuring in every game, I'm being personally attacked for my style of play because it's not wallpost after wallpost. I don't want to play a game where I'm being attacked for my play every single game. I've tried to supress my emotions about this but I just can't at this point.

This is bull****.

The biggest AtE he has ever made. I don?t even know why he posted this. Mafia is legitimately the definition of going through hard times and being constantly sussed, it?s just how the game goes. Also I?m not being salty btw.

hi

I'm back

Antonio fk off

Bianca is still wishywashy, fluffy, and defo not town bianca

also if people think that was AtE I had no reason to do that then, I had little to no sus on myself

It is weird that he makes an AtE, then after retracts what he has done before explaining ?he had no reason?, all in the same post.

1. I'm not being agressive, you're the one calling my playstyle bad.
2. This game isn't about playstyles
3. Have you won a large majority of your scum games? No, you haven't. Don't question my playstyle.
4. I believe your first game was RHOM. I have been in almost every game since Denote to Shyna. That is a blatant lie.

After saying ?wow that was AtE, I shouldn?t have done that? in his previous post, he goes and does it again. He is being very aggressive in this post, and it?s especially shown through questions (or answers) 3 & 4.

? His sloppy reads. Punchy has been using meta too much, or should I say, all the time. The only thing he bases his reads off is meta. He has read Bianca and Mog so far using that method. And yes Antonio, I questioned your meta at first, but then you told me that your reasoning was because this was recent. However, Punchy used old meta for the two (Mog and Bianca) and it is not accurate at all.

Spoiler: Reads.

tldr just avoiding making opinions with a whole lot of fluff and shading players of the previous game

In all honesty, this isn?t meta, but it?s worth something pointing out in his sloppy reads. He goes after Antonio?s RQ?s claiming that he?s fluffing (how and why would one possibly fluff their RQ?s) and he accuses Antonio of shading people, when nobody was specifically even mentioned in the RQ?s.

This is 100% town mog, scum mog would be uncomfortable and seem out of it. Check CTSTP

He is going strong on his second post, saying that this is ?100% town? with no doubt. He also refers to CTSTP. Now this is where things get interesting.

after rereading a bit mog is literally a townlock for me

mog is not AT ALL acting like scum mog that I remember from CTSTP

In his next post, he repeats his phrase, this time full-on TOWNLOCKING Mog based on CTSTP. Now let?s just take a look at CTSTP.
This game was hosted by Tina 10 months ago, to be exact.
And Punchy is getting away with townlocking her for no reason but meta from 10 months ago...

mog defending me is definitely towny, mog defo wouldn't do that as scum.

her tone and posting style aren't really alignment indictative, but her content is.

as scum she is quite mild and avoids giving opinions and, like vanessa as scum last game, very little content could be remembered from her.

This sounds so much like desperate scum being happy that Mog isn?t sussing them. Also, Punchy states a line about how Mog acted as scum. If scum Mog was 10 months ago, then when was town Mog? He doesn?t even have town meta evidence to back up Mog?s read. Not only that, he compares Mog?s play to a completely different player?s (Vanessa?s) scum play.

ATE

I'd be down for Bianca lynch if day ended now

ok bianca is defo off

she just sporatically posts as town kind of like early 2018 or so me.

in this game she's making larger posts with more content. meta says slightly suspicious

So this is something that I am aware that Ness pointed out. To begin with, he claims Bianca saying ?stop using meta? is AtE. Then, he goes on to say ?I?d lynch her today?. Mind you, this was in the span of 3 minutes. Literally.

caxnival, she was mafia.

Then Punchy mentions Caxnival. This is key as to how his reading is unreasonable.
Caxnival was more than a year ago. This is very sus.
To conclude, I have nothing against Mog and Bianca (they?re both nulls for me), and Punchy, if you could do a bit more reasoning for us then I?ll be grateful. : )
Other than that, atm he?s still a sus.

? His play. Punchy?s take on the game is first of all, not very serious and also, quite unhelpful to Town. I could understand Punchy not being serious could possibly still be town, but what I can?t understand his general take to the game. Punchy has had about a year?s worth of mafia experience and he should be able to know that you can?t read people solely based of meta, especially old meta? Trundle and Waffles have also made a point about how Punchy has improved and how he?s previously been winning Mafia games. I?m curious as to what he is planning to do in this game, and this is only D1, so I want to see what Punchy would do next.

Now I have to go sleep. I can?t wait to wake up to like 19 pages of Mafia while I sleep... ughghg I hate being in a Timezone so far ahead. Good night. : (

 

[Heyden]

Actually I’m reading ur post Chele it’s actually pretty good.
One thing I did notice that was off with Punchy is that he’s desperately asking people to read him for some reason. I don’t really see a town motive for that at all, why would a townie be paranoid about their lynch/sus status?? Hmmm

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Also Bianca if you read this ik I was a bit harsh to you before pls don’t veg out

 

[cornimer]

Wow a lot less happened than I was hoping last night

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Chele, check Bianca’s recent town games

I don’t think you know what AtE is either

 

[Chele]

Chele, check Bianca’s recent town games

I don’t think you know what AtE is either

Appeal to Emotion, tell me what you think it is.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I noticed that Jacob didn’t give a read on me and asked if he forgot me

Also I just played a 40 player game on mafia universe where people basically ignored my existence

 

[Heyden]

Chele, check Bianca?s recent town games

I don?t think you know what AtE is either

Curious, why do you want everyone to read you? What purpose does it serve.

 

[cornimer]

Rune is contributing way less than normal and idk if she's busy or scum

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Chele’s susp on me is bad

It relies on it being AtE

AtE is a scum tactic

I was pissed off on so many levels when I made that

 

[cornimer]

ye scum is for sure lurking at this point if trundle is town, which makes me kinda worried about the ppl who havent rly contributed to the ate thing when it was happening (jacob, evan, chele, vanessa kinda and me i guess but ik im not scum so i cant rly scumread myself lol)
thats by no means a comprehensive list and im sure im missing some ppl but id def say that at the top of my list of ppl who have been a little in the background and not saying much of substance is jacob, would def wanted him lynched if i had to choose rn but then again i havent put much effort into looking through ppl yet so its subject to change. would def lock him in as at least a scumread atm

also i tr trundle if u want a hot take

I don't like this. She didn't give any actual evidence for her Jacob read, normally she pulls quotes and stuff iirc

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She also didn't provide reasoning for Trundle townlean

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Its fishy

 

[Chele]

Chele’s susp on me is bad

It relies on it being AtE

AtE is a scum tactic

I was pissed off on so many levels when I made that

You clearly didn’t read the two other reasons of my post; your general play and your reads. AtE was just upon one of them.

And @Vanessa I’m not sure if Rune would be one to coast purposely in Mafia games though?

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Curious, why do you want everyone to read you? What purpose does it serve.

I played a 40 player game where I was basically ignored and not put into any reads lists so I had asked people to read me multiple times.

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Caxnival is her most recent scumgame where she has lived for a while iirc, invalidate that. CTSTP is mog’s most recent game, so unless they learned any new tricks, that is accurate meta

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Her is Bianca

 

[Heyden]

I played a 40 player game where I was basically ignored and not put into any reads lists so I had asked people to read me multiple times.

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Caxnival is her most recent scumgame where she has lived for a while iirc, invalidate that. CTSTP is mog’s most recent game, so unless they learned any new tricks, that is accurate meta

I don’t see how that’s relevant to you asking people to read your 6 posts less than 24 hours into the game, which a) sussed antonio bc you obviously have a personal vendetta against him and b) townlocked mog for something
To me it kinda felt like you were asking for reassurance on your play, it’s just such a weird thing to ask, especially when there was 0 pressure on you at the time.

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I don't like this. She didn't give any actual evidence for her Jacob read, normally she pulls quotes and stuff iirc

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She also didn't provide reasoning for Trundle townlean

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Its fishy

I’ve seen rune lurking a bit but her posts for the most part seem fine. I did find their kingmaker mechanic misunderstanding pretty genuine, but I’m not sure that’s alignment indicative. She is coasting, but nothing sticks out to me rn thats lynchworthy.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

@Heyden

His posts tone looked bad on first glance but no I’m pretty sure his town