Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[cornimer]

Trundle and Mog are about as teamed as Punchy and Bianca

 

[EpicGamer12]

dw it's just me, i'm not even a good or accurate player lol. like i said tho it's just how i feel so please don't call it dumb, to me it makes sense : (

lol no worries, you can vote for me, and you're actually a really good player, better than me

also im calling what i did dumb, im not saying that sussing me for it is dumb

 

[mogyay]

lol no worries, you can vote for me, and you're actually a really good player, better than me

also im calling what i did dumb, im not saying that sussing me for it is dumb

it's ok!! i'm not but it's just how i feel. honestly i'm also maybe down for tae and rune if they don't say a whole lot more in the next few hours, i know rune showed up earlier but i don't think they said much (they're both null to me tho rn, don't wanna go for busy ppl or anything but it's been a lot of time)

 

[EpicGamer12]

it's ok!! i'm not but it's just how i feel. honestly i'm also maybe down for tae and rune if they don't say a whole lot more in the next few hours, i know rune showed up earlier but i don't think they said much (they're both null to me tho rn, don't wanna go for busy ppl or anything but it's been a lot of time)

hopefully taes pupils are better soon so she can catch up and post some reads! but yeah i'm going to probably vote for jacob by eod, i'm starting to wonder if dolby is feeling the same way

 

[Dolby]

hopefully taes pupils are better soon so she can catch up and post some reads! but yeah i'm going to probably vote for jacob by eod, i'm starting to wonder if dolby is feeling the same way

Lmao

 

[EpicGamer12]

Lmao

 

[Jacob]

You?re gonna have to spell out why you?re voting Trundle over Unravel/Mog for me. There ain?t much in him and your distinction seems to be that he?s going after you between them when I?m looking at the posts before this

Mog is least likely of the three because of her persistence in participation rather than shying away, trundle became just a bit more likely because of the heat and emotion/personal attacks, its not really anything new. I mentioned it in this post briefly:

I read a LOT about Trundle and Ness. In response to some people thinking they were fake almost, Ness's posts looked genuine to me for some reason. Trundle not so much, but he's been nailing into our heads this isn't his normal gameplay so whatever. No way they're maf together

I haven't seen anything else AI for unravel, besides her OMGUS'ing me, so Trundle is just the most logical vote for me

 

[Dolby]

At the time I posted that, I hadn't scum leaned anyone (sans Antonio, based of his rqs thing) so reading the dynamic of the three of them was the strangest part of the thread for me and that started my suspicion. Other than that everything else in terms of my opinion I had on them was in that post, like Mog being the least scummy of the 3. More of my trundle suspicion came in the heat between him and ness, which I commented on in a diff post. (Sorry idk if that answered what u were asking)

I had trundle linked in it all because he was how it started, this is what was going through my head:

- Mog could be angry at Trundle because they're both maf and they need a separation
- Mog could be angry at Waffles because they're both maf need a separation
- Waffles could be defending Trundle because they're both maf and they/she wanted to provoke Mog for a reaction
- Trundle as mafia could've came at Punchy to rouse a negative reaction
- Waffles as mafia could've defending town trundle to rouse a negative reaction out of mog

and thats where I was like, "Ok I can see at least one of them as mafia"

Like here?s the problem

All the anger was coming from Trundle and it was super weak. I can understand a Unravel/Trundle world of course, but seeing a Mog/Trundle world is one of the few things I can?t see, even at that point in time. Mog wasn?t angry at Trundle

Moreover, I?m seeing a real dearth of reasons to SR Trundle from you except in your defense post

 

[Jacob]

Mog wasn’t angry at Trundle

Yea she was, that's kinda where it all came from

 

[cornimer]

Yea she was, that's kinda where it all came from

Are you just referring to when she was angry about Trundle saying Punchy was bad? Because as she said that was just her sticking up for a friend and I don't think it should be considered AI

 

[EpicGamer12]

Lmao

oh I just saw you voted him LMAO

 

[Jacob]

Oh wells I gtg, please reread what I was trying to say

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Oh ok now I’m scumread

Ok

30 mins

 

[Antonio]

Literally just got out of my classes, I need to catch up.

I mean, I literally just explained a few posts ago why I think she is scum. Also why not? King is not a free-of-criticism pass. I know she is not going to lynch herself, but the more she is pushed now the more likely it is we can lynch her in a future day.

Yes, just because she is King doesn't mean she gets a free-of-criticism pass. I totally agree. However, I don't agree with the reasons why you are susing here. I believe this is the post you are refering too:

I want to read through your posts which I will do later, but my gut feeling/vague impression from just reading the thread is that you are not actually trying to find mafia. You seem to be letting town "find" mafia for you. I think both your scum leans are weak (considering you keep going back and forth on me).

As I told punchy in the last game, your guts aren't facts. Also, It appears she is trying to get town to find mafia for her because she is the king and is trying to hear everyone out and see what everyone is thinking so she can make a fair decision. She has also stated her opinions on others, so it's not like she is just following along with the crowd.

Finally, voting for Vanessa seemed like a waste of a vote because you admit that she wouldn't lynch herself. It's a bad play if she ever decided to do it no matter what her alignment is. Why even vote for her when you know it won't have any effect?

I realized you had changed your vote to Jacob but you still did vote for Vanessa. I need to catch up but I saw the voting thread before I came here so I noticed the change. I'm on post #56, btw.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Literally just got out of my classes, I need to catch up.



Yes, just because she is King doesn't mean she gets a free-of-criticism pass. I totally agree. However, I don't agree with the reasons why you are susing here. I believe this is the post you are refering too:



As I told punchy in the last game, your guts aren't facts. Also, It appears she is trying to get town to find mafia for her because she is the king and is trying to hear everyone out and see what everyone is thinking so she can make a fair decision. She has also stated her opinions on others, so it's not like she is just following along with the crowd.

Finally, voting for Vanessa seemed like a waste of a vote because you admit that she wouldn't lynch herself. It's a bad play if she ever decided to do it no matter what her alignment is. Why even vote for her when you know it won't have any effect?

I realized you had changed your vote to Jacob but you still did vote for Vanessa. I need to catch up but I saw the voting thread before I came here so I noticed the change. I'm on post #56, btw.

(1) i already mentioned i was going to change my vote by eod
(2) i already changed my vote
(3) ur allowed to disagree with me
(4) as i said, voting for her puts pressure on her regardless of her king status (or QUEEN status). pressuring and reading people and forcing them to talk is never a waste of time

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I will eat my shoes if Bianca isn?t mafia. Her play style has changed A LOT from her last game, not even to mention Caxnival if this is town bianca, major props to her on improving her playstyle and encourage her to keep playing like this. I respect Bianca as a player, and I am just using a strategy to get an opinion on her.

 

[mogyay]

sigh i'm torn between trundle and jacob, all that reasoning just seemed pretty weak : (

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Punchy
I'm sure Punchy won't mind me using a few months old meta considering his top scumread is solely based on one year old meta. I'm not gonna explain everything in paragraphs bc I'm sure you guys get the idea I'm trying to illustrate when I compare his behaviour.

Just an interesting parallel I noticed which stuck out to me initially, compared to this game;



So for unravel to say it's a stupid thing for mafia to do, well, maybe that stupidity is showing.

I also noticed as town he overuses 'I think' or 'could' or 'possibly', or contradicts himself bc he's uncertain as a townie should be, but as mafia it's quite the polar opposite if you delve into most of his posts.





Compared to this game;


And with that point, if you go through his post filter on this game, you won't find the word 'could' or 'think' (discounting him attacking Chele's knowledge) or 'possibly', it's all 'would' and 'is' as if he's certain, which is showing his obvious directional accusations imo.


There doesn't seem to be a main FOS rn so I wouldn't be surprised if the Punchy bw catches on after Chele's and my post
I have a ton of chem hw to do and I sleep in tomorrow so I can't promise I'll be here EoD :') goodnight

okay, you make fair points, but check the most recent game where I literally tunneled Antonio for like 20 pages

mog and Bianca's posts are distinct from their scum and town metas respectively, so I'm confident that they are town and mafia, respectively.

I also have a sneaking suspicion on ness but I'll talk about him after I can get this sus on me off of me

Vanessa's tone does not match up with last game's tone of hers, where she was scum, so I slightly give towncred to her

 

[mogyay]

oh yeah, i forgot about ness, seemed like all he did was fight with trundle and then in the end town read him

 

[PunchyTheCat]

hi also for people sussing me for asking jacob to read me

asking for a read on me adds more content, so I don't understand why people are after me after basically asking for more content. Opinions on me are all over the spectrum, so it would be more clear what he thought and if he was going to bandwagon or not

I do also think thatmy bandwagon is scum going for easy targets (rereading on page 55)

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I'm just trying to consider all of the sides

interesting thing to note is that is exactly what got her towncred in RHOM