Mafia The Battle of the Nobles- Endgame

[Jacob]

what do you think about heyden's point on you picking easier targets?

I read it and got a little frustrated but I guess I can understand why he thinks that. It's not like I was just picking out people from the player list and was like "yea, easy targets." There's been a lot of strange tension in the game about people's play style and its creating heat, but what I saw was heat between Mog, Trundle and Unravel that had nothing to do with each other's play styles, its miscellaneous-out of game-heat which (in my experience) is the easiest way as mafia to create a disconnect from each other.

I just feel like theres a lot of really scummy energy charging that all. Its like surprising and frustrating kinda that no one else really found it weird

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jacob's been going after me and waffles and trundle before we had even posted in the game lmao and i'm not meant to find it strange that his opinion hasn't changed one bit since his initial post, why are you so determined we're all scum?

there's something up with that, it's strange

That's not true though
Please quote it

 

[mogyay]

for me it's the same dolby, i don't find him outright scummy but he hasn't contributed as much as he'd like to think and all his reasoning has been lazy imo, he' relentlessly stuck to the same people he called out in his 3rd post while none of us had posted, i think his reasoning is weak (aside from trundle post, i'd have to relook at that), seems like he wants to be seen as pushing people but can't be bothered coming up with anything new, seems lazy, then again maybe i'm sensitive who knows

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https://www.belltreeforums.com/show...bles-Day-One&p=8088753&highlight=#post8088753

i was p hasty that i said that so i apologise, i thought u posted that earlier on. regardless u seem to be going after the same 3 with not much reasoning. also picking antonio was weak

regardless sorry i should have read carefully b4 replying, that wasn't cool of me

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also u did say i was def mafia in ur rq's, i sometimes think u just want me to be mafia bc i'm weak and it'd be easy for u to convince ppl, u absolutely never think i'm town no matter what game i play, it's annoying

 

[Jacob]

for me it's the same dolby, i don't find him outright scummy but he hasn't contributed as much as he'd like to think and all his reasoning has been lazy imo, he' relentlessly stuck to the same people he called out in his 3rd post while none of us had posted, i think his reasoning is weak (aside from trundle post, i'd have to relook at that), seems like he wants to be seen as pushing people but can't be bothered coming up with anything new, seems lazy, then again maybe i'm sensitive who knows

Idk man its still day one. I don't really think getting sus about 4 different people is that lazy. I'd rather create my own thoughts, I always do (meta read on myself??)

Of course I'm fixed up on three people I found a little sus, its not like I'm gonna vote Bianca or something just because everyone else is. Of course when more fishy stuff happens I'm gonna voice my opinion, I always do. I personally don't think I'm coasting, I just don't feel the need to meta analyze because I'm not that good at it. Other than that, not much has really happened, no one's died, Vanessa hasn't voted. I am trying !!!!

also its ok baby I still love u

 

[Dolby]

Friends and I are at a study lounge right now just chilling but I wanted to come in and drop a little thought I had while skimming over posts from last night to now

There's a lot of really strange energy coming from Mog and Waffles, and their interaction was charged from Trundle. I don't really know what got mog a little tempered exactly a few pages ago (right after waffle's open RQS), but the whole interaction felt a little more personal/out of game than coming from in game content, if that makes sense. I would not be surprised at all if theres AT LEAST one mafia in Mog, Waffles and Trundle.

another little side note about that though, mog's play right now is actually kinda thorough, does not feel like the mog that I made mafia in Steven universe (I'm not one for using meta much anymore, but mafia mog is definitely more weary/nervous- not sure how that's changed since her inactivity tho)

So between mog waffles and trundle, I get the most towny vibes from mog - but I just felt weird reading most of their posts.
I will be reading more when I get back to my dorm ===)

I kinda don?t expect an answer and won?t hold it against you if you don?t have one Jacob, but could you describe he opinion that you had on the three here, not in the context of them to each other. Trying to make sense of your progression.

Also, why are you linking Trundle to the mog/waffles interaction specifically as a reason Trundle is sus

 

[cornimer]

Reads?

Townleans
Mog
Heyden
Antonio
Toads

Scumleans
Rune
Punchy
Bianca

Nulls are irrelevant because there are so many. I would say Chele is on the townlean side of null though. Rune is a weaker scumlean. I want to see Punchy or Bianca lynched with note that they almost definitely are not on the same team as Dolby just said in his post.

 

[mogyay]

Idk man its still day one. I don't really think getting sus about 4 different people is that lazy. I'd rather create my own thoughts, I always do (meta read on myself??)

Of course I'm fixed up on three people I found a little sus, its not like I'm gonna vote Bianca or something just because everyone else is. Of course when more fishy stuff happens I'm gonna voice my opinion, I always do. I personally don't think I'm coasting, I just don't feel the need to meta analyze because I'm not that good at it. Other than that, not much has really happened, no one's died, Vanessa hasn't voted. I am trying !!!!

also its ok baby I still love u

ok sry maybe i'm being sensitive. it's just bc u called out me and waffle bc we had a 'charged interaction' just bc i defended punchy, to me it seemed lazy but obviously u saw something there but ok, maybe i'm thinking too much. i just felt like u were going after us bc we were easy targets, but maybe that's on me and my own sensitivity lol, ily 2

as for bianca i'm sry but u guys r talking sm about meta that i don't know so it's hard to make up my mind how i feel about her

 

[Dolby]

Btw, that is meant to be in past context

 

[mogyay]

i'm gonna go ahead and vote trundle, ik he's got a past history of screwing around as town but his behaviour is just so counter productive that i just find it so scummy

i would also vote punchy tho if it meant saving someone i find to b town

i'm not leaving btw, just realised i should vote now rather than later just in case

 

[EpicGamer12]

How often are people like Punchy and Bianca lynched due to their sporadic or wildcard play styles? When I used to play, this happened in the majority of games and we ML'ed power roles or townies D1 because they aren't the most composed players. Lets not forget that every townie (or "Lord") lynched is one less potential Kingmaker, so we can't just lynch Punchy and Bianca type players and expect to find scum. It just seems ridiculous to me that any of you would even consider it.

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i'm gonna go ahead and vote trundle, ik he's got a past history of screwing around as town but his behaviour is just so counter productive that i just find it so scummy

i would also vote punchy tho if it meant saving someone i find to b town

i'm not leaving btw, just realised i should vote now rather than later just in case

How is my behavior counter productive right now? I am actually explaining my scum leans for the first game in forever where I would normally just call people out as scum and never explain my reasoning.

 

[Biancasbotique]

Vanessa, if it helps you make your vote now. I just feel like eventhough you do all these voting thing. When it comes down to it, its always Bianca and let me explain to you why i feel that way.

When I expressed my annoyance, it was because you said it was between me and Trundle. then you made a post saying you made Trundle town points so yeah its either me or Trundle so of course it;s me!

Now I see again, that you want Punchy and Bianca lynched. Eventhough you voted for Punchy for maf, I still have a feeling that you are still going to vote me and Punchy is just a turn around.

And dolby and toadsworthy, why am I not surprised they are scumming me. They always have scummed me and toads don't even lie and say that you townread me saying in the same post I am frustrated as town and then in the same token, I am frustrated as scum. decide ...am i frustrated as scum or town.

As for Dolby, your scumlean post is based on my early posts and that's it . yeah.

As for the others who defended me, thank you and i appreciate it. You really are not going after some kind of meta or some weird tone or something like that.

You guys scumread people who participate sure. But let me see, ness came in hostile , then was gone and now he is townlean. can you explain that Dolby?

 

[Jacob]

I kinda don’t expect an answer and won’t hold it against you if you don’t have one Jacob, but could you describe he opinion that you had on the three here, not in the context of them to each other. Trying to make sense of your progression.

Also, why are you linking Trundle to the mog/waffles interaction specifically as a reason Trundle is sus

At the time I posted that, I hadn't scum leaned anyone (sans Antonio, based of his rqs thing) so reading the dynamic of the three of them was the strangest part of the thread for me and that started my suspicion. Other than that everything else in terms of my opinion I had on them was in that post, like Mog being the least scummy of the 3. More of my trundle suspicion came in the heat between him and ness, which I commented on in a diff post. (Sorry idk if that answered what u were asking)

I had trundle linked in it all because he was how it started, this is what was going through my head:

- Mog could be angry at Trundle because they're both maf and they need a separation
- Mog could be angry at Waffles because they're both maf need a separation
- Waffles could be defending Trundle because they're both maf and they/she wanted to provoke Mog for a reaction
- Trundle as mafia could've came at Punchy to rouse a negative reaction
- Waffles as mafia could've defending town trundle to rouse a negative reaction out of mog

and thats where I was like, "Ok I can see at least one of them as mafia"

 

[EpicGamer12]

Also how is Dolby null'ing Jacob when he is literally revenge voting me?

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At the time I posted that, I hadn't scum leaned anyone (sans Antonio, based of his rqs thing) so reading the dynamic of the three of them was the strangest part of the thread for me and that started my suspicion. Other than that everything else in terms of my opinion I had on them was in that post, like Mog being the least scummy of the 3. More of my trundle suspicion came in the heat between him and ness, which I commented on in a diff post. (Sorry idk if that answered what u were asking)

I had trundle linked in it all because he was how it started, this is what was going through my head:

- Mog could be angry at Trundle because they're both maf and they need a separation
- Mog could be angry at Waffles because they're both maf need a separation
- Waffles could be defending Trundle because they're both maf and they/she wanted to provoke Mog for a reaction
- Trundle as mafia could've came at Punchy to rouse a negative reaction
- Waffles as mafia could've defending town trundle to rouse a negative reaction out of mog

and thats where I was like, "Ok I can see at least one of them as mafia"

None of the "both maf" scenarios make sense because anything like that would obviously come out in mafia chat. The only plausible ones are the last two, where I am mafia trying to get reactions (except I do that as town) and Waffles being mafia trying to get reactions (who knows).

 

[cornimer]

Vanessa, if it helps you make your vote now. I just feel like eventhough you do all these voting thing. When it comes down to it, its always Bianca and let me explain to you why i feel that way.

When I expressed my annoyance, it was because you said it was between me and Trundle. then you made a post saying you made Trundle town points so yeah its either me or Trundle so of course it;s me!

Now I see again, that you want Punchy and Bianca lynched. Eventhough you voted for Punchy for maf, I still have a feeling that you are still going to vote me and Punchy is just a turn around.

And dolby and toadsworthy, why am I not surprised they are scumming me. They always have scummed me and toads don't even lie and say that you townread me saying in the same post I am frustrated as town and then in the same token, I am frustrated as scum. decide ...am i frustrated as scum or town.

As for Dolby, your scumlean post is based on my early posts and that's it . yeah.

As for the others who defended me, thank you and i appreciate it. You really are not going after some kind of meta or some weird tone or something like that.

You guys scumread people who participate sure. But let me see, ness came in hostile , then was gone and now he is townlean. can you explain that Dolby?

I'm sorry Bianca, I hope you're not taking it personally as I really like you as a person, I just genuinely find you one of the most suspicious at the moment. If you say you don't agree with everyone using meta, that's fair as it is subjective, but personally I always use meta at least on Day 1, not just for you but for everyone. It's not that there's anything wrong with the way you're talking or anything, your posts just to me seems more like scum Bianca than town Bianca.

However I'm not going to vote for you right now, and I am going to go through with majority vote as I have been saying this whole time (unless some crazy nonsense CFDing goes down).

 

[Dolby]

@Bianca, when did I SL Ness outside my ****ty RQS. He’s def risen, and that’s because he abandoned his tunnel of Trundle at a time that I feel a lot of people in the thread were sus of him

 

[EpicGamer12]

Needless to say how do I even come out as the most likely scum in that scenario? Nothing you're saying makes sense. Feels like you're grasping at straws here

 

[Dolby]

Also @Bianca, my sus post was made at a time that your early posts were your only posts were your only posts, and was pressing Trundle over TLing you bc I see you as low hanging fruit

 

[Jacob]

Also how is Dolby null'ing Jacob when he is literally revenge voting me?

I scum read you before you read me

 

[mogyay]

How often are people like Punchy and Bianca lynched due to their sporadic or wildcard play styles? When I used to play, this happened in the majority of games and we ML'ed power roles or townies D1 because they aren't the most composed players. Lets not forget that every townie (or "Lord") lynched is one less potential Kingmaker, so we can't just lynch Punchy and Bianca type players and expect to find scum. It just seems ridiculous to me that any of you would even consider it.

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How is my behavior counter productive right now? I am actually explaining my scum leans for the first game in forever where I would normally just call people out as scum and never explain my reasoning.

r u serious? all of that appeal to emotion, ur whole general play style was just weird. you threw the whole game off, as soon as we were suspecting u, u came out with this whole emotion (which i'm sure is true) but it felt very manipulating, and as soon as me and vanessa stated that altho we believe u but that we couldn't trust u, u just decide to go on back on everything u said and were suddenly like 'o nope i'm calm now' like u were just joking with us the whole time, u completely derailed the thread, i don't see why u would do that if u were town. idk enough about ur meta to know if that's true or not. all i know is ur behaviour was weird and slightly manipulative, if u truly felt like u should have changed then u would have stuck to how u feel, not suddenly say 'nvm forget it' when it isn't working for u. and saying how u were gonna quit the game just bc of ness? i dunno man it's all way too weird for me. i'd have to relook at ur reads tbh, the one on vanessa seemed kind of interesting, i remember finding ur reasoning on jacob weak but i think that's bc u used a smiley face against him lol. this is just a placeholder vote, i'm sure it might change, it's better to get a vote in there just in case

like i said i'm not going anywhere and if i find myself finding someone more suspicious then ofc i will vote u but i feel v unsettled about u

 

[Dolby]

Needless to say how do I even come out as the most likely scum in that scenario? Nothing you're saying makes sense. Feels like you're grasping at straws here

Lightly agree with the sentiment with the addition of that I don’t see how a team of the three of them arises from that analysis

 

[Biancasbotique]

@Bianca, when did I SL Ness outside my ****ty RQS. He’s def risen, and that’s because he abandoned his tunnel of Trundle at a time that I feel a lot of people in the thread were sus of him

and stopping tunnelling is definitely a townlean? and me defending myself and saying people to stop using my meta is scumlean.