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Hey everyone I'm gonna go ahead and go off a limb here. I saw this while making my Evan case and this is scummy as well. This is a very likely slip. Now, its not incredibly obvious, but this is a perspective slip. Kat told me a bit about this when I was talking to her before.
Evan just said here that "he hates losing a townie D1", implying that he KNOWS Aron is a townie and now scum.
as for what I said there, you're reading too much into that. You claimed VT and while I think it's likely you could be scum and are just using a roleclaim, I also know there's the possibility you're really a VT and just making newbie mistakes like Chick last game. How many times have I mentioned that your situation could be like chick's this game? (hint: throughout the thread) Exactly.
So yeah, it'd suck if we voted you and you really are town, but at that point I was still voting for you because I felt the risk of scum!aron being forgotten about due to your roleclaim was greater than if you're simply VT.
Ok, finally got the thing to load. Makes my Evan/Dan theory more plausible. But I really dont see Kit as being scum with Evan because Kit isn't really the type to bus
Yeah, because you would have no way that he knew that he was a townie specifically before than, but I messed up and used the wrong post. I think it was 2:05 or about then
going to dinner, I should be back in plenty of time before EoD but if you kill me in the meantime I'mma be hella pissed
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and yeah, I have no clue who aron is, I can see why you all would think it's a slip but I've already explained my thought process, and if you want to lynch me over that then :shrug:
Honestly though, Evan/Dan is the strongest scum team assoiciation that I've seen so far(admitidly weak compared to most games, but we've had only 400 game posts), and I want the lynch off Aron, so I'm tempted to follow that
Wait hold up. Why not? Because you're afraid whatever you may say next might be scumread? If you're really town you'd be concerned about dad's pressure on you and would not have any qualms about responding.
also lowkey paranoid that dad is pocketing me, and dolby backtracking on me (albeit for legitimate reason) could be further indication of a dad/dolbs team
Furthermore I really hope that if the vote goes aron, it's not a chick 2.0 situation where a newer town player acts scummy
I have issues with the sentences in bold. For the first one, I feel as if he was attempting to twist Aron's words over a petty reason. For the second bold, he says that there could be a Dad/Dolby scumteam. I have a LOT of problems with him saying the last bold, because since Evan should be atleast somewhat familiar with host balancing the two of them together on a team would be absolute hell for town according to the current meta.
Before this post Evan also said that Dad/Dolby were a possible scum team but I don't think those posts are very notable enough to warrent me talking about them. Evan has said that he is "pointing out the Dolby/Dad scum team" as a possibility to note, but the fact that he is using 2 of the godfathers (ugh, i still cringe calling experienced players "the godfathers") as a potential scum team doesn't sit well with me.
I will probably due a proper reads post before EoD tomorrow, but for now my top scumleans are Bianca and Aron. If I had sole control of the lynch I'd probably go aron right now, but man there's a ton of nulls for me despite quite a bit of fishy behavior to go around.
In this post he says his top scumleans are bianca/aron, and he seemingly hasn't said anything regarding Bianca up until this point in the game. I'm fine with him saying that he is suspicious of Bianca, but he hasn't said any reasoning about WHY bianca is scum until this point. He has mentioned her briefly from what I've seen, but doesn't do anything to give a good case for it. There is this post:
but he doesn't mention it at all afterwards. He tried to start a suspicion of Bianca in this post for yet ANOTHER petty reason that is very clearly a joke (Bianca claiming as Epona, which I personally would see as scummy if it happened around possibly mid d1, but this is just ridiculous.).
And then there is his "reads" post, which I have issues with as well.
AmazonEvan19 said:
Bianca: Bottom of my nulls since I think she is still scummy somewhat. She has been making an effort as of late and has dropped her whole grammar/tone schtick.
Scumleans:
Oathtoorder ? anyone who goes no vote is at the least slightly sussed in my book. Maf loves no votes, and while oath may be busy and/or confused town, which would lead to a no vote, I?m always wary of them.
Kit ? coasting4dayz. Came in, accused me for no reason, then has been MIA ever since. Not sure he?d be so brash as maf, and IK this looks like OMGUS, but if he accused anyone I?d react the same. It?s weird.
Aron ? substantial tone shift over the day, prior to that he was scummy for reasons we all know pretty well. Indicates to me he?s really trying hard to ?act natural.? Still can?t shake off the feeling he?s like chick from last game, but right now I agree with dolby that aron seems to be making freshman mafia mistakes.
With that being said, I?d be fine lynching oath, kit, Bianca, or aron, but I?ll be voting for aron unless otherwise noted.
Okay. I have many issues with his Kit scumlean. Kit LITERALLY made 1 post saying "Evan is scum; Done!" and he is saying that Kit is scum for that. Now, I still think that Kit is scum with Evan, but the way Evan just shoehorned Kit in his scumleans is scummy af. I see this as distancing and bussing from one of his scum mates, because his reasoning for scumleaning Kit is so incredibly weak considering the fact that he actually put bianca (someone who he tried to say was suspicious for a weak reason as well) is less scummy then someone who made a 1-liner post regarding him being scum.
Dislike his townlean and null on Dad/Dolby as well considering he tried to say he was suspicious of him early in the game.
1. This might be a slip from Evan. A perspective slip if you will. Mafia know who eachother are, but Evan just said here "he hates losing a townie. Implying that he KNOWS that Aron really is a townie.
2. I feel like this is also evan trying to be neutral on Aron in the event he was actually lynched. Say Aron is lynched, then afterwards Evan says "Aw shucks i had a feeling he was telling the truth :sadface:".
I don't know anything about BotW since I want to avoid spoilers until I get a switch and play it, but is that a believable claim for those of us who have played the game? If it's just an unimportant NPC then I say lynch aron since that can easily be a safeclaim.
I'm not sure if this is really that significant, but I don't like this post as well. Its less scummy then the other posts I've made, but the fact that Evan says "if his rolename is insignificant I say we lynch him anyway" because that is grasping at straws.
I don't really have any time left to analyze much else, I think this is as good as it gets with my case. So yes, I IMPLORE all of you to switch your votes to evan. I'm very confident in my read on him.
Good morning guys. (It's 10am in my time)
I don't know. But something hit me about the thing with Aronthear. Her role claim.
But then Ness came along and backed it up. He said he saw her Private Messaging to check.
And then all the blame slipped away from her.
Now, they're two possibilities.
1) Both Ness and Aron on Scum team.
2) Aron on Scum team, but Ness as a Townie.
Now, I have some kind of feeling that Ness and Aron are both on Scum team, because Ness backed her up quickly.
But I am unclear on this because two things could've happened.
A) Since Ness didn't want his fellow Scum mate to be lynched, he backed Aron up with smart evidence.
or
B) Aron was probably tricking Ness or something else. Who knows? Aron may have just been PMing somebody else about something completely different. You obviously can't see or look at what PM they are sending/viewing.
I just wanted to bring this up because as I was reading the thread, it fell through my head.
Also, what's with Kit this game? I haven't heard much from them at all.
Anyway, I'm down for a vote on Evan, but the reason that I went after a him/Dan team is that even though he has Kermit and Dan at the same level in his reads, he manipulated the language of it to place Dan above Kermit in saying that to many people were townleaning Kermit (they weren't) and came to Evan's defense against an obvious town way to quickly. That being said, I'm fine with a lynch on either, but I want the lynch off Aron, and Evan seems more feasible
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@Chick, the fact that he asked the hosts first strongly indicates Ness is town and that they're both town
@Ness, Evan was one of my strong townreads, however I think you bring up a few notable posts in that post.
I do however fail to how Evan saying he hates to lose a townie is scummy in any way? The way I read it is, if Aron is lynched and is town, it won't be a good thing (obviously), lynching town D1 is never a good thing, but it seems like he thinks the possibility of Aron actually being scum overrides the loss that town will suffer if he does in fact, flip town.
There's only an hour and 30 minutes of day left, and I'm very all over the place with my thoughts right now, there's lots of good points being made that I agree with, a lot of which contradict themselves, I really have no idea where to put my vote at the moment
So, I guess Aron is safe now...
But now Evan. I'm looking at how he was talking about a potential Dad/Dolby scumteam and also Bianca, but then ran away from the idea and mentions completely different stuff in his reads post. I may as well vote for him, as my two scumleans have dropped down the drain.
Just saying, but who will we suspect if Evan flips town?
@Ness, Evan was one of my strong townreads, however I think you bring up a few notable posts in that post.
I do however fail to how Evan saying he hates to lose a townie is scummy in any way? The way I read it is, if Aron is lynched and is town, it won't be a good thing (obviously), lynching town D1 is never a good thing, but it seems like he thinks the possibility of Aron actually being scum overrides the loss that town will suffer if he does in fact, flip town.
There's only an hour and 30 minutes of day left, and I'm very all over the place with my thoughts right now, there's lots of good points being made that I agree with, a lot of which contradict themselves, I really have no idea where to put my vote at the moment
At bests, it meant that Evan was ok with lynching somebody that he townread ("I really hate losing a townie" implying that he thought Aron was telling the truth), which is in it's own way incredibly scummy and really wouldn't be talked about unless it was EoD and literally all the better lynch candidates claimed blues. Evan really shouldn't be thinking that said loss is net-beneficial regardless. At worst it means he KNOWS that Aron is town
So, I guess Aron is safe now...
But now Evan. I'm looking at how he was talking about a potential Dad/Dolby scumteam and also Bianca, but then ran away from the idea and mentions completely different stuff in his reads post. I may as well vote for him, as my two scumleans have dropped down the drain.
Just saying, but who will we suspect if Evan flips town?
But Fleshy, you saw his reads list and how it was absolutely different to his Scum reads he made beforehand, right?
He didn't even care to explain himself.
I'm assuming that Evan is offline now, so maybe he wouldn't be here to explain himself atm.
Who were your other scumreads, Fleshy?
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Oh, Kit is most likely coasting.
I viewed their profile and this is what came up: Last Seen: Today 09:46 AM (AEST Time)
So that was like, 54 minutes ago.
They can't have forgotten about the thread, right?
But Fleshy, you saw his reads list and how it was absolutely different to his Scum reads he made beforehand, right?
He didn't even care to explain himself.
I'm assuming that Evan is offline now, so maybe he wouldn't be here to explain himself atm.
Who were your other scumreads, Fleshy?
I did notice changes, and I do see where Ness is coming from, however, I often make quick reads, then read over the thread again and end up making a reads list that is completely different as I notice things I didn't before, or realise I misread something. I don't think a change in reads in general is a massive point. Many people have changed their reads, dramatically at that, that being said though, I do think Evan is a little all over the place with his reads and changes.
When I made my reads post close to 12 hours ago, Heyden and Aron were my slight scum reads, with Dolby and you being sus.
I did notice changes, and I do see where Ness is coming from, however, I often make quick reads, then read over the thread again and end up making a reads list that is completely different as I notice things I didn't before, or realise I misread something. I don't think a change in reads in general is a massive point. Many people have changed their reads, dramatically at that, that being said though, I do think Evan is a little all over the place with his reads and changes.
When I made my reads post close to 12 hours ago, Heyden and Aron were my slight scum reads, with Dolby and you being sus.
