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Fair point, but I'd think that with how evident Tessa was that she was going to kill Chris, I kind of want to believe it's not the most likely. There's probably things deeper in his ISO that can indicate something.
i had an impression she would kill oath or gabby i dont think it's unlikely for trent to think the same way? unless he said he also thought it was obvious
The Deep Wolf isn't relevant to talk about rn because starting the "Witchhunt in town" is a bad idea. I regret making that post. That being said there is a person I think wolfing who is being townread rn. I'll bring it up if I feel it'll be an impact to the game further than that, but leaving that vague and letting them post is better because more reads for later.
I was surprised he died today. I know he was getting townread near the end, but he was not one of the widely townread players out there. Unfortunately he never got to explain his deep wolf theory, but with my tinfoil hat on I believe his death is in connection to this
I mean, there is a slightly insane way to test that. You would have to kid me. By doing so I would have then proceed to immediately kill Ness. I, being town, know that this would do a lot to help people figure out the eventual Mafia team. It would deal with his role claim and take me off the board.
There's absolutely no way it's going to work, because in order for that to happen you all would have to trust me.
Hold me accountable to this, but I'm fine with this as a last resort for today if y'all really can't just decide on anyone. There are better options butttt there's not really any inherent way I can say "don't kill me as king" without it coming across as a threat to town, so yeah.
As crazy as it sounds I just don't think Oath is as mafia as I thought I did, and lord help me I just don't have a good way of explaining it.
I mean, there is a slightly insane way to test that. You would have to kid me. By doing so I would have then proceed to immediately kill Ness. I, being town, know that this would do a lot to help people figure out the eventual Mafia team. It would deal with his role claim and take me off the board.
There's absolutely no way it's going to work, because in order for that to happen you all would have to trust me.
Why not? What's different about his energy here that makes you think it's not him? I'll cop to overthinking the setup, with it being closed we don't know exactly what we're getting into and frankly I haven't really played a mafia game in a while, I think the closest I got to really playing was my Day 1 fight with Shawo in my last game.
Chris flipping tracker however kicked my overthinking into overdrive however, it's not a role that reveals alignments but maybe it helps balance things out IF there's a godfather and more good/evil PRs in the game. What if Dan is godfather, meaning he's essentially going to fly by now that we're out of PRs and it's gonna take too long to realize? But maybe I'm just overthinking things or trusting Chris a bit much or simply just tired because it's bedtime.
Also what difference would it make, would you even believe me if I said I was town? I know I'm town, but I can lie for you if you want and say survivor?
Alright this quote makes sense in hindsight, I guess there's not much of a way to prove Dan was the investigation if the cop was saying he thought Dan was godfather.
I was surprised he died today. I know he was getting townread near the end, but he was not one of the widely townread players out there. Unfortunately he never got to explain his deep wolf theory, but with my tinfoil hat on I believe his death is in connection to this
I may or may not have fallen asleep instead of rereading.
Geoni's post feels uninspiring but not overly wolfy. I'd want to see more of them because I definitely know I can vibe with a town!them.
Volt is right, I rechecked my meta notes and their play this game isn't like either wolf or town tells so I guess I gotta relearn how to book read them.
I've liked Trent's posts the most on reading up so far. Ness also feels good but it's a "Feels good tunnelly" which is the easiest feels good to fake as mafia so I'm less inclined to actually give that many good points for it. I'm going to be rereading for context and reserve the right to flip that on my head.
Also there's a wolf that feels kinda overt getting townread so far. :blobstalk:
But that bucket gets kicked over when I feel like it.
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Also Trent's D1 feels kinda town too. Kudos if you're wolf because that's some quality vibe.
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For the record, while I strongly think King should do their best to take into account the reads of people around them, I also believe that they should pick the read that they feel strongest in after those. You take away the possible variance of reading people's decisions if it becomes basically an elected official to do the will of the crowd.
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Oath's D1 has been largely forgettable so far, despite the fact I've seen a few of their posts by p5. So I'm going to call that a mafia lean and move on with my life
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I'm gonna soap box a lil bit.
Policy Chops are super lame, but every chop that creates any sort of debate generates some sort of content you can read. And that includes things that are imo bad decisions (Aka policy chops).
That being said, wildly swinging on D1 is both: a. Not a policy chop and b. Good for information
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Policy chops = people considered good players win.
Whatever their alignment.
Town absolutely doesn't always win without some critical thinking being used lmao
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I'm also loving almost every Annika post I've seen
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I think I'm ready to commit to Ness being town by p11 but I definitely am not super confident in that one.
mostly townread players at this point were me, tessa, ness and trent iirc. adding dan to this as well bc even thought a lot of people were starting suspecting him at this point, ender said something like "dan, tessa and trent were in a flower circle"
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he said ness and trent are town, he voted me for king so that leaves dan and tessa
I feel like the primary reason Ender died was because he was the most logical player in the thread, ie his posts were always fluid and made good points.
@Damniel Think of the good times we've had and lets assume for a sec you and I are both town again. As crazy as it sounds I can't see Oath or Arstotzkan as being mafia because of their tone and my inability to see them partnered with hardly anyone. What do we think of Jacob/Geoni/RibbitRibbon? Potentially one of Tessa or Annika as first alternate.
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@voltairenism I wanna know your thoughts on this too.
and like theres a big chance the kill is supposed to frame these players but tessa needs to be reread anyways so im only gonna entertain that thought after it
I feel like the primary reason Ender died was because he was the most logical player in the thread, ie his posts were always fluid and made good points.
@Damniel Think of the good times we've had and lets assume for a sec you and I are both town again. As crazy as it sounds I can't see Oath or Arstotzkan as being mafia because of their tone and my inability to see them partnered with hardly anyone. What do we think of Jacob/Geoni/RibbitRibbon? Potentially one of Tessa or Annika as first alternate.
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@voltairenism I wanna know your thoughts on this too.
I feel like the primary reason Ender died was because he was the most logical player in the thread, ie his posts were always fluid and made good points.
@Damniel Think of the good times we've had and lets assume for a sec you and I are both town again. As crazy as it sounds I can't see Oath or Arstotzkan as being mafia because of their tone and my inability to see them partnered with hardly anyone. What do we think of Jacob/Geoni/RibbitRibbon? Potentially one of Tessa or Annika as first alternate.
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@voltairenism I wanna know your thoughts on this too.
i agree, i didnt get surprised abt ender, he would prob spew himself town today if left alive
im putting ribbit back into my PoE again because. well. geoni/ribbit not sure it can be temaed because of geoni's random "yikes" post yesterday which is so unnecessary it doesnt even make sense as distancing. also a couple people pointed out that jacob/annika are probably not partned which i will sheep. jacob/tessa mostly talked to each other about set up i think? so nothing stopping a w/w. and i think thats all i can have an option about without rereading the entire game
the impression that kat is not being partned with anyone prob just due to small sample size tbf.
Alright then what do you think of Jacob. I thought about his posts last night and I think he looks too clean. His reaction to my claim iirc felt fine on paper, but there was no emotion to it. You/Tessa/Volt went along with it but you had your reasons given prior interactions.
and like theres a big chance the kill is supposed to frame these players but tessa needs to be reread anyways so im only gonna entertain that thought after it
thinking back to the D1 votes, the fact that the Tessa wagon was met with little to no resistance means to me that either (a) Wolves did not feel Tessa would kill any of them or (b) Tessa is mafia
Also I think it's pretty much certain that at least 1 wolf voted for Tessa.
Final Vote Tally
oath2order: (2) voltairenism, Trent the Paladin ShinyDungeoneer: (1) Chris tessa grace: (5) annika, Damniel, N e s s, ribbitribbon, Jacob4 Trent the Paladin: (1) oath2order Damniel: (1) tessa grace
i agree, i didnt get surprised abt ender, he would prob spew himself town today if left alive
im putting ribbit back into my PoE again because. well. geoni/ribbit not sure it can be temaed because of geoni's random "yikes" post yesterday which is so unnecessary it doesnt even make sense as distancing. also a couple people pointed out that jacob/annika are probably not partned which i will sheep. jacob/tessa mostly talked to each other about set up i think? so nothing stopping a w/w. and i think thats all i can have an option about without rereading the entire game
the impression that kat is not being partned with anyone prob just due to small sample size tbf.
I'll need to delve deeper into Kat's readslist; there was a small part of me that got the impression she wanted to try and influence a last minute kill on me yesterday, but I just dunno if she would be ballsy enough as mafia to do that. Some of her points on why she thought I was mafia didn't feel ingenuine to me either, as if her perspective was legit and the points were fair.
Alright then what do you think of Jacob. I thought about his posts last night and I think he looks too clean. His reaction to my claim iirc felt fine on paper, but there was no emotion to it. You/Tessa/Volt went along with it but you had your reasons given prior interactions.
thinking back to the D1 votes, the fact that the Tessa wagon was met with little to no resistance means to me that either (a) Wolves did not feel Tessa would kill any of them or (b) Tessa is mafia
Also I think it's pretty much certain that at least 1 wolf voted for Tessa.
It's unfortunate 4 players (Shiny, Ender/Gabby, Geoni and Kat) didn't vote D1 cuz that makes it very hard to analyze D1 votes
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I think the statistical best chance at hitting mafia is looking into the Tessa votes (annika, Damniel, N e s s, ribbitribbon, Jacob4). If, like me, you are one of these people then it makes it easy to read 4 people
If anyone believes that no wolf voted for Tessa im interested to hear why
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The fact that everyone in the wagon is still alive points me to this being nearly 100% true
It's unfortunate 4 players (Shiny, Ender/Gabby, Geoni and Kat) didn't vote D1 cuz that makes it very hard to analyze D1 votes
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I think the statistical best chance at hitting mafia is looking into the Tessa votes (annika, Damniel, N e s s, ribbitribbon, Jacob4). If, like me, you are one of these people then it makes it easy to read 4 people
If anyone believes that no wolf voted for Tessa im interested to hear why
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The fact that everyone in the wagon is still alive points me to this being nearly 100% true
I just feel like unless the two of them would be insanely gigabrained, then Jacob and Annika are not teamed? I haven't been able to prove anything about Ribbit but this is mainly because I haven't taken the time to really dig into the things they've said.
