Mafia The Quest for King - Mafia | Game Thread | GAME OVER

[tessa grace]

i think that focusing on personal reads is fools errand, yeah. overall i think discussing who we should vote for king is better and they do whatever they want and we go from there
actually i think we should overall not put out too many reads so the king doesnt use town's opinion as a crutch and has to actually justify it tomorrow

yes but i think this tactic only works d1 if at all. d1 discussion is still very important bc no matter how kings elim flips we'll get king info, but if we dont talk about it before then the flip wont give us any reads or info on the rest of the towncore

 

[Trent the Paladin]

then what are your motives d1 i dont understand
do you value nk info over elim info? bc i could understand that point of view; however im not sure if nk (if there is one, this setup is confusing but im guessing there is) and king kill will be differentiated

I generally value night info more. I think town can afford to sit on a night one elim, mafia cannot. I can't imagine them withholding a kill here either and pretending one of them got protected, I think most of us playing are too smart to accept that at face value. King can also have their actions altered/blocked inferring from Trundle's answer about the King's kill operating the same as any other.

 

[Damniel]

I generally value night info more. I think town can afford to sit on a night one elim, mafia cannot. I can't imagine them withholding a kill here either and pretending one of them got protected, I think most of us playing are too smart to accept that at face value. King can also have their actions altered/blocked inferring from Trundle's answer about the King's kill operating the same as any other.

King kill is night info in this setup. I don’t think you can apply the same logic for no elimination with this setup

 

[Trent the Paladin]

@N e s s you've only got one vote change now, do you see yourself changing that at all (barring some weird slip)

 

[voltairenism]

yes but i think this tactic only works d1 if at all. d1 discussion is still very important bc no matter how kings elim flips we'll get king info, but if we dont talk about it before then the flip wont give us any reads or info on the rest of the towncore

no yeah it's a d1 only thing. heres the thing: if king just policy chop, good, net positive. if they chop a chatter, we excruciate them.
because heres the thing, king cant just not say which one was the one they killed, even if the flip doesnt say it. they can lie sure but even so it's info

 

[Damniel]

i originally said that Trent going for no elimination was consistent to his behavior in the past. But the more I think about it, the logic for no elimination in a traditional game does not apply to this setup. So carrying that logic to here doesnt really make sense. A king kill is a night action and does indeed give info.

Doubling down on not voting him for king. I don’t think this play is very meta either

 

[tessa grace]

no yeah it's a d1 only thing. heres the thing: if king just policy chop, good, net positive. if they chop a chatter, we excruciate them.
because heres the thing, king cant just not say which one was the one they killed, even if the flip doesnt say it. they can lie sure but even so it's info

yeah but now they know that so they're not chopping a chatter cmon
besides i still think getting info from the nk for the whole town over just the king instead is better

 

[Damniel]

yeah but now they know that so they're not chopping a chatter cmon
besides i still think getting info from the nk for the whole town over just the king instead is better

We wouldn’t know who the mafia kill vs king kill is unless the king was very very vocal about who they wanted dead the day before. This setup is unique in that the king can lie

 

[tessa grace]

i originally said that Trent going for no elimination was consistent to his behavior in the past. But the more I think about it, the logic for no elimination in a traditional game does not apply to this setup. So carrying that logic to here doesnt really make sense. A king kill is a night action and does indeed give info.

Doubling down on not voting him for king. I don’t think this play is very meta either

idk if meta is reliable based off of this odd setup though
and im still confused if he's looking for maf nks or king nks as his night info that he values. @Trent the Paladin can you clarify?

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We wouldn’t know who the mafia kill vs king kill is unless the king was very very vocal about who they wanted dead the day before. This setup is unique in that the king can lie

ok so then the king and nk will not be differentiated? i think im confused about the rules of this setup

 

[Trent the Paladin]

King kill is night info in this setup. I don’t think you can apply the same logic for no elimination with this setup

King kill is one given kill, one that is ideally in town hands night one, but it is a constant until town is outnumbered. The unknown is mafia KP and if it's only mafia (my assumption is only mafia, I don't think Trundle would third party here but who knows?). Even if king announces their kill, I don't think mafia is going to do anything to hinder it. King can't die, only have actions interfered with. Smart kings wouldn't announce kills unless given good reason to and odds are good for a town hit tonight, which could drastically hurt us if there's good PRs in the mix.

More or less stream of thought, obviously ya'll dont agree.

 

[tessa grace]

bc the way this game is setup greatly changes what action i think we should take can someone pls clarify for me

 

[Trent the Paladin]

idk if meta is reliable based off of this odd setup though
and im still confused if he's looking for maf nks or king nks as his night info that he values. @Trent the Paladin can you clarify?

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ok so then the king and nk will not be differentiated? i think im confused about the rules of this setup

Mafia NKs in this instance I suppose.

I see no reason the kills will be differentiated outside of the king announcing theirs, but like Dan said folks can lie. Dead don't speak and if mafia is king, they got assumedly 2? kills one of which they can concoct something for.

 

[tessa grace]

King kill is one given kill, one that is ideally in town hands night one, but it is a constant until town is outnumbered. The unknown is mafia KP and if it's only mafia (my assumption is only mafia, I don't think Trundle would third party here but who knows?). Even if king announces their kill, I don't think mafia is going to do anything to hinder it. King can't die, only have actions interfered with. Smart kings wouldn't announce kills unless given good reason to and odds are good for a town hit tonight, which could drastically hurt us if there's good PRs in the mix.

More or less stream of thought, obviously ya'll dont agree.

king: i killed this person
mafia: erm actually i killed him

 

[voltairenism]

yeah but now they know that so they're not chopping a chatter cmon
besides i still think getting info from the nk for the whole town over just the king instead is better

i mean a town king could do it if they genuinely have a case
and a mafia king would not it anyways (or if they do, pretend its just their nk, what doesnt even matter who does what)
the problem is that king vote has intrinsically less stakes. like i can go and tunnel vision you all day, saying that im 100% sure you are wolf, but you could be literally my mafia buddy bc i dont need to vote to chop you
so we can discuss and point fingers all day and get nothing but chaos

 

[Trent the Paladin]

@Trundle are king kills announced or is a kill a kill is a kill?

Pretty sure Trundle has gone to bed, I wouldn't expect an answer til morning but who knows!

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king: i killed this person
mafia: erm actually i killed him

I'm going to claim a kill now

 

[tessa grace]

@Trundle are king kills announced or is a kill a kill is a kill?

Pretty sure Trundle has gone to bed, I wouldn't expect an answer til morning but who knows!

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I'm going to claim a kill now

ty for asking i was too lazy to figure out how to ping mods

 

[Trent the Paladin]

@oath2order oi post, stop reacting

 

[oath2order]

@oath2order oi post, stop reacting

I'm typing and also doing Sinnoh Super Contests it takes a hot minute

 

[Damniel]

A third of the player list still hasn’t checked in yet, but at this moment I think I’d vote Tessa as king. I still highly encourage voting for me though

Id vote for Trent the least since I hard disagree on mechanics. I don’t think I’d vote Arstotzka for king, the benefits seem weak

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I might also vote for oath for king no joke. That might actually tell us a lot

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@N e s s you've only got one vote change now, do you see yourself changing that at all (barring some weird slip)

Also yes this was a really bad vote

 

[voltairenism]

king lying abt their kill is just anti-town. and they wouldnt pretend a pr kill is their bc, well, the pr could just kill them. so EVEN if they are lying tearing their decision apart is still useful because their pick is naturally anti-town no matter which one he decides to lie about