What is gender?

[oath2order]

You can't change your chromosomes. And where's your evidence? I'm not making any claims that are extraordinary, you're the ones trying to deny basic biology.

you made the claim that most people think transgender people are incorrect about thinking they're the opposite sex

do you have polling data sweetie?

 

[Primarina]

im sorry but is that the actual form that you yourself filled out

No, but it is an example of a medical form using gender to mean biological sex, so such forms exist.

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you made the claim that most people think transgender people are incorrect about thinking they're the opposite sex

do you have polling data sweetie?

Sweetie, if most people think that then how are transgender people so "oppressed"?

 

[oath2order]

You can't change your chromosomes. And where's your evidence? I'm not making any claims that are extraordinary, you're the ones trying to deny basic biology.

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Ok hunty, you're actually delusional.

please watch your language and don't use hunty because that is a combination of honey and a four letter offensive C word that refers to the vagina and that word isn't allowed here!!!

 

[seliph]

Still waiting on those sources. I need them to feed my family, we are starving and if we don't get them we will di

 

[Dogemon]

If most people used them differently (like transgender people), then wouldn't most people in the world be on your side of the transgender debate? It's obvious most people use them as synonyms.

What does where I live have to do with anything substantive in relation to this argument? And I have no problem with transgender people, I have a problem with people who lie and say you can change your sex, when you can't.

You cannot change your chromosomes you are right. However, if you have sex reassignment and hormone therapy, for all non-intervention purposes, you are essentially the other sex when doctors are examining you and prescribing you meds.

 

[oath2order]

Sweetie, if most people think that then how are transgender people so "oppressed"?

Answer the question. Do you or do you not have polling data that would prove the point you're trying to make?

 

[tumut]

If you took a biology class you wouldn't be saying this.

Coming from the person who literally said men are smarter than women according to ""science""

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...ou-right-now&p=7321573&viewfull=1#post7321573

 

[Primarina]

"If people start saying 2+2=5 that doesn't make it true" except these people are professionals who know what they're talking about. Also this same argument can be used against you. Just because a lot of people say "Sex and gender are the same thing" doesn't make it true.

"Science hasn't proven anything"

http://www.theplaidzebra.com/scienc...lank-slates-and-gender-is-merely-a-construct/

You could also google this yourself or, like I said, actually click on the many links people have posted here.

Plaid Zebra? What is this sub-Buzzfeed garbage? Try citing some actual peer-reviewed science, thanks.

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Coming from the person who literally said men are smarter than women according to ""science""

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...ou-right-now&p=7321573&viewfull=1#post7321573

I never said that. I actually said that the extreme ends of the IQ spectrum, both the absolute dumbest and absolute smartest tend to have more men. You have no capacity for subtlety.

 

[oath2order]

Plaid Zebra? What is this sub-Buzzfeed garbage? Try citing some actual peer-reviewed science, thanks.

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I never said that. I actually said that the extreme ends of the IQ spectrum, both the absolute dumbest and absolute smartest tend to have more men. You have no capacity for subtle
ty.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811915007697

 

[Primarina]

please watch your language and don't use hunty because that is a combination of honey and a four letter offensive C word that refers to the vagina and that word isn't allowed here!!!

Oh, really? Well it isn't that word, so what does it matter?

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Answer the question. Do you or do you not have polling data that would prove the point you're trying to make?

You don't have polling data showing most people accept your definition of gender.

 

[seliph]

Sweetie, if most people think that then how are transgender people so "oppressed"?

Because they are denied jobs, denied medical care, are murdered for existing....

Plaid Zebra? What is this sub-Buzzfeed garbage? Try citing some actual peer-reviewed science, thanks.

You're going to disregard a source without reading it because of... the site name? That's a new dodging method if I've ever seen one.

This just proves you have no actual intent of any discussion no regard for facts, and you just want to shut people down who disagree with you. Also, where are your peer-reviewed science sources? I've been asking you for a few pages now.

 

[oath2order]

Oh, really? Well it isn't that word, so what does it matter?

it's the implication pls watch your language this is a forum primarily for children

also still waiting on that polling data!!

 

[Primarina]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811915007697

What does this have to do with anything? First of all it is one study, and anyone who knows science knows one study proves nothing.

 

[Dogemon]

What does this have to do with anything? First of all it is one study, and anyone who knows science knows one study proves nothing.

Yet you have no studies....

 

[oath2order]

Oh, really? Well it isn't that word, so what does it matter?

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You don't have polling data showing most people accept your definition of gender.

You made the claim, you need to provide the data or otherwise you're merely just trolling.

Given that you're clearly being purposefully ignorant and not doing, refusing to back up any of your claims, I think you need to leave the discussion because you're clearly not providing anything of value here.

Either provide some statistics about what you're claiming, stop moving the goalposts, stop bouncing it back on other people, and back up what you're saying.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...laws-limiting-transgender-rights-poll-n731826

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...om-laws-limiting-transgender-rights/21879293/

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/majority_of_americans_oppose_b.html

You can extrapolate that these people that oppose the bathroom rights that limit transgender rights that they also think that sex is different from gender.

 

[Primarina]

it's the implication pls watch your language this is a forum primarily for children

also still waiting on that polling data!!

Are you a mod? (genuinely wondering)

 

[oath2order]

Are you a mod? (genuinely wondering)

no but i'm looking out for you!!!

 

[Primarina]

Yet you have no studies....

Sure I do, but you people are convinced of that sex and gender are different because of political reasons, so science wouldn't change your mind. Also, if male and female brains aren't different, how can one even be transgender?

 

[tumut]

I never said that. I actually said that the extreme ends of the IQ spectrum, both the absolute dumbest and absolute smartest tend to have more men. You have no capacity for subtlety.

Except sex doesn't affect intelligence at all, and you said the smartest people tend to be men so lmao.

 

[Primarina]

You made the claim, you need to provide the data or otherwise you're merely just trolling.

Given that you're clearly being purposefully ignorant and not doing, refusing to back up any of your claims, I think you need to leave the discussion because you're clearly not providing anything of value here.

Either provide some statistics about what you're claiming, stop moving the goalposts, stop bouncing it back on other people, and back up what you're saying.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...laws-limiting-transgender-rights-poll-n731826

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...om-laws-limiting-transgender-rights/21879293/

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/03/majority_of_americans_oppose_b.html

You can extrapolate that these people that oppose the bathroom rights that limit transgender rights that they also think that sex is different from gender.

"You don't agree with me, therefore you should leave the discussion."