then can you explain why at the beginning you said it was your win condition to get elected, and why you said that the chat would close after d0 ended, if both of them did turn out to be lies? i understand youre trying to dance around the issue since you cant think of an answer besides you made a mistake, but if you cant explain it i will be forced to distrust you, and dolby by extension i guess
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then can you explain why at the beginning you said it was your win condition to get elected, and why you said that the chat would close after d0 ended, if both of them did turn out to be lies? i understand youre trying to dance around the issue since you cant think of an answer besides you made a mistake, but if you cant explain it i will be forced to distrust you, and dolby by extension i guess
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why is it double posting i only pressed the button once aaaaaa
PunchyTheCat
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I said it because I cracked under pressure, and I didn't know if revealing that I was a mason was a good idea, so I made up a bizarre role that both me and Dolby were. Then I realized that I didn't post in the qt that I was going to claim at the end of D0 that we were turned into survivors, so he told the truth.
ok, at least this gives a little more information about the role, buuuut it doesnt make sense. if anything, it proves my theory more. first of all, why would making up some dumb arbitrary rule about your allignment help you in any way? if anything, saying that becoming pres is your win condition makes it much less likely that dolby will be voted as pres if it will win you the game. secondly, it makes no sense for a mason, a town role, to be converted to a survivor, a role i believe is third party. it makes much more sense for a third party role to convert to another third party role.
dolby, i think you need to help your teammate out here
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ok, at least this gives a little more information about the role, buuuut it doesnt make sense. if anything, it proves my theory more. first of all, why would making up some dumb arbitrary rule about your allignment help you in any way? if anything, saying that becoming pres is your win condition makes it much less likely that dolby will be voted as pres if it will win you the game. secondly, it makes no sense for a mason, a town role, to be converted to a survivor, a role i believe is third party. it makes much more sense for a third party role to convert to another third party role.
dolby, i think you need to help your teammate out here
PunchyTheCat
Senior Member
Mk let my try to explain one more time. Would you role claim publicly as detective or doctor this early in the game? No. I thought claiming as a mason would be a bad idea, but it's basically just a townie thats able to break the OOTC rule. In my head, the stupid role that I created was tp. A better choice would be to convert to townie, but I thought "TP to TP was a good idea, TP to Town was not"
I also didn't realize it was so easy to clear yourself as Mason, I could have just done that.
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Are you ignoring that post bc I've seen you on the whole time.
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Are you ignoring that post bc I've seen you on the whole time.
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and now he leaves. Hikari, please post something.
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and now he leaves. Hikari, please post something.
I also didn't realize it was so easy to clear yourself as Mason, I could have just done that.
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Are you ignoring that post bc I've seen you on the whole time.
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Are you ignoring that post bc I've seen you on the whole time.
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and now he leaves. Hikari, please post something.
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and now he leaves. Hikari, please post something.
Alright, I think I've caught up, for the most part.
I'm a bit confused. Is your WC still getting Dolby elected as President, or are you claiming that you are a straight mason that has a normal WC? (Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm a bit ill atm.)
I'm a bit confused. Is your WC still getting Dolby elected as President, or are you claiming that you are a straight mason that has a normal WC? (Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm a bit ill atm.)
ive been moving between classes and the forum keeps lagging, it wouldnt even let me add the quote to my message. im at school right now, so im sorry if i cant immediatley respond since im doing work or smth
anywho, im guessing that the reason you called your role was because you were getting flack for defending dolby to the ends of the earth for no reason. im still confused how claiming third party rather than your actual role could help your case. first of all, youd have to lie to do it, and i dont know about anyone else here but there should be no reason to lie except if you have an ulterior motive, such as trying to get dolby voted in for pres by claiming a town role. secondly, i cant think of a situation where claiming a third party role out to get the town would be a better idea than just claiming your actual, town role you can be backed up on. its such a riduclous idea that its impossible to swallow. plus, if you really did claim third party to protect your role as town, why would you be able to claim such specific details, like the chat ending d0 or being converted to survivors if u lose, unless you either planned it beforehand (which you said you didnt) or your just reading off your role pm? none of it makes any sense.
heres whaty i believe happened. you became flustered by the amount of heat you were getting for your vague and indecisive yet undying support for dolby, and blurted out your role without thinking, trying to show how you know hes inno, ironically destroying any chance he had of becoming pres. after realising what youve done, you and dolby backpedaled on your claims, saying instead that your masons and that anything which doesnt fit your narrative is a lie or a mistake. sadly, i cant pull up quotes to show im right, since im on mobile and itd be super hard, but when i get home ill try and do that asap.
look, im not trying to grill you. i feel like your story is believable and i dont think your a mafia team trying to gain an advantage. i just want you to come clean about your role. if you do turn into a survivor, your still basically a part of time and we can work together. you just cant have either you or dolby become pres.
Let me get this clear so I can start collecting my thoughts again now that I am finally able to catch up (the server issue isn't helping at all lol): so if there is no other catch, you retract the claim that your win condition is to get Dolby elected?
Look, if you’ll are really hung up on this and think that Punchy was telling the truth the first time, you’ve all missed one very obvious hint that Punchy left that he was fakeclaim: he didn’t provide a role name, which is in sharp contrast to when he suddenly name-dropped “citizen” halfway through D1 in Generic, and honestly much of his past claiming history. If y’all think that we’re maf, that’s an acceptable viewpoint, but I feel like more people have been getting stuck on this than there should have been. Punchy only gave out his “win condition” and not his role, because he had no idea what said role would be called. Ergo: it was fake. If y’all think we’re maf from this, there’s honestly little that I can do to defend myself or Punchy, and I’m the limited time that I’ve been availible(and the forum worked) I’ve honestly been far to focused on defending the two of us, so gonna try to stop focusing on that
I'm having trouble trusting most people in this game in general, especially the experienced group I mentioned before and forgot to lump Tina into.
Dolby? The only thing I don't like so far is that he says he wants to be president just for the protection and not the doublevote. I call bull****. Because I know that Dolby sees himself as an accurate reader of people's alignments and that he sees himself better at that than anyone else on tbt. So I think he wants the doublevote too. I understand the point about wanting protection though, because I had that one streak of being N1'd as town up until my two most recent games. I don't agree with a lot of his reads so far but they also don't seem forced either. Except for the weird OMGUS moment with Tina. I like how he says he never uses the term because OMGUS is a vote reaction thing and Tina can't even do that rn.
Tina seems like she is authentically trying to figure the game out, I see the 180 on Dolby recently kinda townslippy but I'm still on my guard.
Ness is being really hard to read rn but I will say he's super eager to get elected and most of his play seems to be more focused on that than scumhunting.
Glow isn't claiming innocent child? I don't see where she has. She seems to be mostly reactionary at the moment but there's a critical air to her that I like. However, same boat as Tina for me rn although I townread Tina a little more.
Toads is defensive af and a lot of his content is based around that.
I'm between Dolby and Chele for my election vote but I have trust issues with Chele after that last game. Waiting for Punchy to confirm the question about the win condition though.
These reads are underbaked because the server fried my original thoughts. :|
Dolby? The only thing I don't like so far is that he says he wants to be president just for the protection and not the doublevote. I call bull****. Because I know that Dolby sees himself as an accurate reader of people's alignments and that he sees himself better at that than anyone else on tbt. So I think he wants the doublevote too. I understand the point about wanting protection though, because I had that one streak of being N1'd as town up until my two most recent games. I don't agree with a lot of his reads so far but they also don't seem forced either. Except for the weird OMGUS moment with Tina. I like how he says he never uses the term because OMGUS is a vote reaction thing and Tina can't even do that rn.
Tina seems like she is authentically trying to figure the game out, I see the 180 on Dolby recently kinda townslippy but I'm still on my guard.
Ness is being really hard to read rn but I will say he's super eager to get elected and most of his play seems to be more focused on that than scumhunting.
Glow isn't claiming innocent child? I don't see where she has. She seems to be mostly reactionary at the moment but there's a critical air to her that I like. However, same boat as Tina for me rn although I townread Tina a little more.
Toads is defensive af and a lot of his content is based around that.
I'm between Dolby and Chele for my election vote but I have trust issues with Chele after that last game. Waiting for Punchy to confirm the question about the win condition though.
These reads are underbaked because the server fried my original thoughts. :|
I’m not speaking for him, but he is confirmed town to me and me to him. There is no catches if either of us dies (and frankly I find the concept bad, but I guess I can understand something like Sleeper vig (what Tina did in Caxival) in this instance)
i dont think youre maf (at the moment at least) but i do think youre trying to win the election since its your win condition. theres just too much evidence and coincedences which point to it to ignore. while yes, he didnt specifically state his role, he did give information that was phrased in a way which looks like it was read straight off of a role pm, including a win condition and what time the thread between you two would close (then he said it was a lie later which makes no sense). its probably just that theres nothing else to go on at the moment, except for maybe a few people like bianca who havent been contributing as much as i would have liked to see from them. if theres some stuff u want to discuss, go ahead.
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can you clarify a bit more with this pls? not sure what youre responding to or whatever
Well yeah I wasn't questioning that type of catch because like you said, that's lover not mason, although those two roles have merged before on tbt. What I mean is that if you are elected then it should be clarified that Punchy wins once it happens and if he does is he still in the game or is he actually third party? I can see some kind of unique third party role like a campaigner being put in the game although I think it'd be more entertaining if you got to choose who you were campaigning for pre-game. But I digress, what I think people's concerns are is that you're both mafia but tbh my concern is, even though I'm not as partial to it as I am to taking it face value, is that one of you is town and one of you is maf.
In general though I'd like to know more about who people suspect than who people thinks deserves presidency because I think mafia is taking advantage of that being the discussion at focus rather than scumhunting. Work has been a headache tonight so I'll probably just quote by quote analyze/question people for the rest of the shift.
Oh and I'm not against being president but I'm late as **** and I don't always make the best decisions with day 1 lynches.
Quote where this was said? Or I could doublecheck, I don't remember it being brought up.
im pretty sure that thats what he was trying to say, its kinda unclear
I think improbable role mafia still wounds me and that's why I bring the possibility up. But meh, it's my only possible hangup if anything. What's this about the survivor rolechange should you lose the election? Might as well ask while you're here.
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I'm reading that as the hypothetical bizarre roles he was thinking of bringing up?
