Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!
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I'll hella cling to Ness here with no shame at all and appeal to anyone who seems to be willing to give their suspicion of me a second thought, and I know I'm not going to get through to glow, Heyden, or Evan at this point, so Ness' potential to lead it away from me is town's only chance tbh.
1) She's self-aware of how her perception is as an old user of tbt mafia when it's environment was different and used the no lynching or inactive lynching argument not only as a means to coast through early game but if people were willing to actually listen to her, a means to get mislynches.
2) Her later choices towards the middle of the game were catered towards maintaining a pro-town facade. Two great examples here would be self-voting during the Punchy situation and later joining the No Lynch group during the Trundle lynch.
3) Her tone has dramatically shifted as we began to argue and there has been so much pushy **** throughout her ongoing debate with me. That she was seen as more sus than me when we began D5, that I have been intentionally keeping her alive because I was going to go after her by planting 'seeds of doubt' and I was planning on trying to make her the final mislynch all along, that I was 'caught' because two members of the mafia team also didn't vote during day 2, that I'm trying to frame her by making a hit on you, and so on. There are smaller examples scattered in this debate. Sure, there are some pushy moments from my side in this debate as well but the only change in tone from me is anger over being in this position wheras with her it's as if she was holding on to a lot of the stuff that could be used against me and only bringing it up now rather than as they happened and she's been able to read the game pretty thoroughly up to this point.
I know that's about ten reasons put into three, but there you go. Also I know you aren't completely on my side here, you gave a vote to Evan after all, but I know you're the only one who will be considerate enough to hear me out and perceptive enough to make the right decision based on it.
1) Do you honestly think my idea was to promote lynhing inactives to get myself cleared ? Why would I want that much attention on me from Day One ? How could I even predict that would work on players I haven't played with before or in years ? So promoting a lynch on inactives would create mislynches ? Uhm. Tom was inactive and before you even say " ya you used that to bus him " me promoting lynching of inactives was literally my first post. If me & tom were a team how could I even know he would play as an inactive mafia ? Which is honestly the dumbest way to play as mafia because if anything it brings the most attention onto you.
2) Punchy lied about his bomb. If I were mafia I would know exactly what the Time Bomb role would be ( he claimed Time Bomb Veterna in the thread ) considering they had the exact same role. Ideally the most Town-like move would be to "sacrifice " yourself to show that you have no fear of dying. Also, I voted No Lynch before you on Trundle lynch and you voted with us on that too. In fact you placed your vote after mine. So what does it say about your vote then ?
3) Again coming off as a hypocrite because your tone has drastically changed as well. You have become extremely opportunistic towards these last few days approaching. You look way too eager to get this done with considering its your last mislynch then you win. Of course I was seen as equally as sus as you. People were saying I shouldnt be cleared and my posts should be looked into & ISO'd & etc. I never said you were planning on making me your final mislynch, i said all the seeds of doubt ultimately led me to being in this position which worked for you guys. When all the blues started claiming, we had no choice but to focus on the 5 remaining unconfirmed players. So no, I didn't hold things in to bring up towards the end. I only started to look more and more into you when you were amongst the 5 unconfirmed left over. You did that eventually on me too.
2) Punchy lied about his bomb. If I were mafia I would know exactly what the Time Bomb role would be ( he claimed Time Bomb Veterna in the thread ) considering they had the exact same role. Ideally the most Town-like move would be to "sacrifice " yourself to show that you have no fear of dying. Also, I voted No Lynch before you on Trundle lynch and you voted with us on that too. In fact you placed your vote after mine. So what does it say about your vote then ?
3) Again coming off as a hypocrite because your tone has drastically changed as well. You have become extremely opportunistic towards these last few days approaching. You look way too eager to get this done with considering its your last mislynch then you win. Of course I was seen as equally as sus as you. People were saying I shouldnt be cleared and my posts should be looked into & ISO'd & etc. I never said you were planning on making me your final mislynch, i said all the seeds of doubt ultimately led me to being in this position which worked for you guys. When all the blues started claiming, we had no choice but to focus on the 5 remaining unconfirmed players. So no, I didn't hold things in to bring up towards the end. I only started to look more and more into you when you were amongst the 5 unconfirmed left over. You did that eventually on me too.
1) I'm sure with Tom it was a combination of him taking advantage of him being known for a lackluster D1 in terms of activity but also he had a legitimate struggle actually forming reads as mafia come D2, which will probably show up in the quicktopic. Another note on Tom is that he only made stances on three people really: he showed that he was willing to sheep what you were doing with lynching inactives and he was also buddying me when it came to Ness. I think the former was another moment of reverse psychology:
And a lot of the eagerness was indeed you repeating the note about how if Oath was sniped why wasn't Tom?
I think Tom knew he wouldn't survive as scum so very early on in the game you two decided that he would let you throw him over your bus because he knows how you can do as mafia and has faith in your ability to act your way through a game and utilize reverse psychology (see: Mafia 2).
2) On the note of the no lynch vote, I voted no lynch because at the time my ability to read Trundle was enough to tell me that he was being his usual town self, especially since I've played with him as scum before and was recalling that game. I wanted to see what Kermit wanted to do overnight as well. Those two were the only ones being accepted as lynch candidates. I couldn't get glow to be seen as one so the next best thing as town is to vote for No Lynch knowing what a mislynch leads to and how I didn't feel strongly enough about both of them as I did with glow at the time. Also of course you're going to jump to the other side of the fence by saying voting to 'sacrifice yourself' to seem more pro-town was more of a means to be seen as pro-town than the self-voting, when AT THAT VERY TIME I could tell Tina wouldn't put a role that would kill everyone who voted for them in a game and so I never even suggested that my voting for Punchy was to be seen as sacrificial. More pushiness from you, this is the **** I'm talking about.
3) I. Am. Not. Going. To. Continue. To. Argue. About. Who. Looked. More. Sus. By. Day. Five. It was me. Period. And on the note of you 'never saying mafia was planning to make you the final mislynch', the seeds of doubt couldn't have even been used to lead you to this position, because it would require mafia team to know that so many blues were in the game and that they would all out on day 4 and day 5 like they did. Because knowing you'd have been in the narrowed down pool would be required if you were targeted to be put in this position you are in now. Like...smfh.
Question. I was wondering why Heyden wasn't added with me, you, and Antonio on to that since you stated that Heyden seem like obvious town at this point. I brought the quote up down below. Oh... As well as why Antonio was added to your don't lynch pile from your perspective.
Just asking you these things because I want to understand the reason why. The only way I would know is if I were to ask you. I'm trying to be open about what you say in the game.
cornimer
grab acorns 'til you're delirious
Since I think we can mostly agree scum is Dad/Amanda or Kayla/Amanda why don't we all vote for Amanda?
Though ngl I'm thinking Kayla is more likely scum than Dad after last nights' arguments and Ness's reaction test.
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Hmm you bring up a good decent point though. Weird how Panda jumped to save him. But she may have been just trying to make herself look good should he have been lynched and flip town?
Though ngl I'm thinking Kayla is more likely scum than Dad after last nights' arguments and Ness's reaction test.
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Hmm you bring up a good decent point though. Weird how Panda jumped to save him. But she may have been just trying to make herself look good should he have been lynched and flip town?
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1. So you're saying Tom knew right away he wouldn't survive and planned to be thrown under the bus even though his role was as important as it was ? Instead of actually trying ? No, what I think is that Tom saw how chaotic the thread was ( me vs, Dolby, Toads vs. Ness & etc. ) and decided to take advantage to hide and then when people were like " we can't lynch inactives " it gave him even more reason to stay away because he could play it off like some uninterested Townie. So I definitely don't think he gave up right away, rather he tried to play inactive Town to keep people second-guessing. I think the former was him latching onto me in case he ever got lynched or died via Vigilantes. Can you explain why two mafia members would take side with each other that early in the game ? Literally hours within the start of the game ? Too obvious. That's a horrible move to make that early in the game, unless you are trying to plant a seed for people to look back on.
Mafia 2, why I needed to sacrifice Hikari was because I claimed Detective. I had to make it seem like I was able to catch a red if I inspected them. Technically I was busing him because they needed proof I was a Detective and I'm almost 100% sure someone had inspected Hikari so it was a trap anyways. I gave them the read they wanted to avoid getting caught as a fake Detective. Why claim Detective ? Because everyone roleclaimed back then and their roles were always leaked, so I was able to say " yup this person is this role he / she is not lying " to gain their confidence even more. The only reason people believed me was because I was confirming peoples' roles ( they roleclaimed to me in confidence - perfect for a DT ) and I passed their test on Hikari. SuperPenguin was a Vigilante in that game and also wanted to shoot Hikari. I had no choice at that moment but to side with Town and get him out. Its far different from this game, so you using it as an argument is very weak. This game I went out of my way to tackle Tom even though a) No one found me suspicious so I wasn't in any / much danger and b) Dolby was most likely going to get lynched over Tom ( the double voter was so confident he needed to be lynched that he placed his vote on him more than 10 hours in advance if I remember correctly - although it was also because he was on vacation I think ? ). People were literally saying they didn't want to lynch Tom as an inactive. There was no need for me to bus a teammate that early in this game either. He definitely could have been saved for a later lynch, were I on his team. I'm guessing you're going to say " oh but that makes you look even better now ". Actually it makes me look worse because a) people already had this notion that I like to bus teammates and b) I was one of the few that really felt Tom should be lynched so that would hurt me more if I were mafia, more than stay neutral with everyone else and lynch Tom in a more subtle way.
2. You're jumping on the other side of the fence too though ? Saying people who voted themselves " blah blah blah ". I self-voted because I did believe what Punchy was saying and if he was mafia it would obviously have to do some sort of damage to Town. By the time he was self-voting and being cooperative in his own death, people were saying it could be a reverse psychology tactic. Which did make sense too. You brought up my decision to vote for No Lynch. My decision to vote No Lynch was because I literally wanted there not to be a lynch to buy us more time since people were overly driven to lynch Trundle. The push didn't make enough sense and no blues claimed at that point so it was hard to trust everyone jumping on Trundle. Vanessa switched to No Lynch off of Kermits and at that point votes were getting split 4 different ways ( Kermits, Kammm, Trundle & No lynch ). I felt like everyone would be more okay joining a No Lynch movement versus a Kammm / Kermits lynch up against Trundle because it was the safest route to take instead of risking a mislynch. So the movement needed to be started.
3. Mislynch phase or not, no matter what, leaving seeds of doubts on a player works to your advantage because it will always be seen as a possible reverse psychology moment by everyone. So I could have been a mislynch for you no matter what state the game was in. Stop relying on saying " but how could we know and plan it out that blues would claim " because that's irrelevant. It didn't matter how many blues claimed because those seeds could still be useful in bringing me up towards the end as a potential lynch candidate whenever you guys wanted ( whether we were in the mislynch phase or not ). Funnily enough now you're using what Tom laid as a seed to be your argument against me. Who would have guessed ? The seeds of doubt ultimately led me to this position where everyone is questioning whether it was reverse psychology or not.
DAD said:
1. So you're saying Tom knew right away he wouldn't survive and planned to be thrown under the bus even though his role was as important as it was ? Instead of actually trying ? No, what I think is that Tom saw how chaotic the thread was ( me vs, Dolby, Toads vs. Ness & etc. ) and decided to take advantage to hide and then when people were like " we can't lynch inactives " it gave him even more reason to stay away because he could play it off like some uninterested Townie. So I definitely don't think he gave up right away, rather he tried to play inactive Town to keep people second-guessing. I think the former was him latching onto me in case he ever got lynched or died via Vigilantes. Can you explain why two mafia members would take side with each other that early in the game ? Literally hours within the start of the game ? Too obvious. That's a horrible move to make that early in the game, unless you are trying to plant a seed for people to look back on.
Mafia 2, why I needed to sacrifice Hikari was because I claimed Detective. I had to make it seem like I was able to catch a red if I inspected them. Technically I was busing him because they needed proof I was a Detective and I'm almost 100% sure someone had inspected Hikari so it was a trap anyways. I gave them the read they wanted to avoid getting caught as a fake Detective. Why claim Detective ? Because everyone roleclaimed back then and their roles were always leaked, so I was able to say " yup this person is this role he / she is not lying " to gain their confidence even more. The only reason people believed me was because I was confirming peoples' roles ( they roleclaimed to me in confidence - perfect for a DT ) and I passed their test on Hikari. SuperPenguin was a Vigilante in that game and also wanted to shoot Hikari. I had no choice at that moment but to side with Town and get him out. Its far different from this game, so you using it as an argument is very weak. This game I went out of my way to tackle Tom even though a) No one found me suspicious so I wasn't in any / much danger and b) Dolby was most likely going to get lynched over Tom ( the double voter was so confident he needed to be lynched that he placed his vote on him more than 10 hours in advance if I remember correctly - although it was also because he was on vacation I think ? ). People were literally saying they didn't want to lynch Tom as an inactive. There was no need for me to bus a teammate that early in this game either. He definitely could have been saved for a later lynch, were I on his team. I'm guessing you're going to say " oh but that makes you look even better now ". Actually it makes me look worse because a) people already had this notion that I like to bus teammates and b) I was one of the few that really felt Tom should be lynched so that would hurt me more if I were mafia, more than stay neutral with everyone else and lynch Tom in a more subtle way.
2. You're jumping on the other side of the fence too though ? Saying people who voted themselves " blah blah blah ". I self-voted because I did believe what Punchy was saying and if he was mafia it would obviously have to do some sort of damage to Town. By the time he was self-voting and being cooperative in his own death, people were saying it could be a reverse psychology tactic. Which did make sense too. You brought up my decision to vote for No Lynch. My decision to vote No Lynch was because I literally wanted there not to be a lynch to buy us more time since people were overly driven to lynch Trundle. The push didn't make enough sense and no blues claimed at that point so it was hard to trust everyone jumping on Trundle. Vanessa switched to No Lynch off of Kermits and at that point votes were getting split 4 different ways ( Kermits, Kammm, Trundle & No lynch ). I felt like everyone would be more okay joining a No Lynch movement versus a Kammm / Kermits lynch up against Trundle because it was the safest route to take instead of risking a mislynch. So the movement needed to be started.
3. Mislynch phase or not, no matter what, leaving seeds of doubts on a player works to your advantage because it will always be seen as a possible reverse psychology moment by everyone. So I could have been a mislynch for you no matter what state the game was in. Stop relying on saying " but how could we know and plan it out that blues would claim " because that's irrelevant. It didn't matter how many blues claimed because those seeds could still be useful in bringing me up towards the end as a potential lynch candidate whenever you guys wanted ( whether we were in the mislynch phase or not ). Funnily enough now you're using what Tom laid as a seed to be your argument against me. Who would have guessed ? The seeds of doubt ultimately led me to this position where everyone is questioning whether it was reverse psychology or not.
What do you mean with this post ? I didn't consider Antonio ? That was Dad. I am considering Amanda & Dad as mafia.
What do you mean with this post, I'm referring to Dad here
Ooh okay. It surprised me that somehow you thought I was going after Antonio after everything that happened up to now.
amazonevan19
DLELELEWOOOOP
I put my first vote on dad, subject to change
I'm having doubts that a mafia would tunnel glow so hard and then be tunnelling ILY so hard
Totally down for a unity Amanda lynch
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also for ****'s sake please break up your monolithic paragraphs
I'm having doubts that a mafia would tunnel glow so hard and then be tunnelling ILY so hard
Totally down for a unity Amanda lynch
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also for ****'s sake please break up your monolithic paragraphs
