Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

That's a good point Evan, but Glow ended up claiming blue. So the pool of unconfirmed players shrunk and the focus shifted I guess.
 
dad if you?re town and you don?t want to be lynched then stop pushing ILY and suggest an alternative like antonio or some ***
 
As Evan said I see his constant tunneling as a more town thing though, I feel like he would know to be more open as mafia.
 
The mafia only need one more mislynch. Why be open when I'm being widely focused on and players are constantly going back and forth on me ? He just wants to get it done. He did say he was okay lynching Amanda too though.
 
With Evan's vote on the voting thread since he has the double vote... Is it counted as being an actually vote? Or not?
I had to ask about this since I don't know much about roles when it comes to mafia.
 
With Evan's vote on the voting thread since he has the double vote... Is it counted as being an actually vote? Or not?
I had to ask about this since I don't know much about roles when it comes to mafia.

His vote counted as two votes. But he has free will to change his vote anytime up until the end of day, just like everyone else.
 
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1. So you're saying Tom knew right away he wouldn't survive and planned to be thrown under the bus even though his role was as important as it was ? Instead of actually trying ? No, what I think is that Tom saw how chaotic the thread was ( me vs, Dolby, Toads vs. Ness & etc. ) and decided to take advantage to hide and then when people were like " we can't lynch inactives " it gave him even more reason to stay away because he could play it off like some uninterested Townie. So I definitely don't think he gave up right away, rather he tried to play inactive Town to keep people second-guessing. I think the former was him latching onto me in case he ever got lynched or died via Vigilantes. Can you explain why two mafia members would take side with each other that early in the game ? Literally hours within the start of the game ? Too obvious. That's a horrible move to make that early in the game, unless you are trying to plant a seed for people to look back on.

Mafia 2, why I needed to sacrifice Hikari was because I claimed Detective. I had to make it seem like I was able to catch a red if I inspected them. Technically I was busing him because they needed proof I was a Detective and I'm almost 100% sure someone had inspected Hikari so it was a trap anyways. I gave them the read they wanted to avoid getting caught as a fake Detective. Why claim Detective ? Because everyone roleclaimed back then and their roles were always leaked, so I was able to say " yup this person is this role he / she is not lying " to gain their confidence even more. The only reason people believed me was because I was confirming peoples' roles ( they roleclaimed to me in confidence - perfect for a DT ) and I passed their test on Hikari. SuperPenguin was a Vigilante in that game and also wanted to shoot Hikari. I had no choice at that moment but to side with Town and get him out. Its far different from this game, so you using it as an argument is very weak. This game I went out of my way to tackle Tom even though a) No one found me suspicious so I wasn't in any / much danger and b) Dolby was most likely going to get lynched over Tom ( the double voter was so confident he needed to be lynched that he placed his vote on him more than 10 hours in advance if I remember correctly - although it was also because he was on vacation I think ? ). People were literally saying they didn't want to lynch Tom as an inactive. There was no need for me to bus a teammate that early in this game either. He definitely could have been saved for a later lynch, were I on his team. I'm guessing you're going to say " oh but that makes you look even better now ". Actually it makes me look worse because a) people already had this notion that I like to bus teammates and b) I was one of the few that really felt Tom should be lynched so that would hurt me more if I were mafia, more than stay neutral with everyone else and lynch Tom in a more subtle way.

2. You're jumping on the other side of the fence too though ? Saying people who voted themselves " blah blah blah ". I self-voted because I did believe what Punchy was saying and if he was mafia it would obviously have to do some sort of damage to Town. By the time he was self-voting and being cooperative in his own death, people were saying it could be a reverse psychology tactic. Which did make sense too. You brought up my decision to vote for No Lynch. My decision to vote No Lynch was because I literally wanted there not to be a lynch to buy us more time since people were overly driven to lynch Trundle. The push didn't make enough sense and no blues claimed at that point so it was hard to trust everyone jumping on Trundle. Vanessa switched to No Lynch off of Kermits and at that point votes were getting split 4 different ways ( Kermits, Kammm, Trundle & No lynch ). I felt like everyone would be more okay joining a No Lynch movement versus a Kammm / Kermits lynch up against Trundle because it was the safest route to take instead of risking a mislynch. So the movement needed to be started.

3. Mislynch phase or not, no matter what, leaving seeds of doubts on a player works to your advantage because it will always be seen as a possible reverse psychology moment by everyone. So I could have been a mislynch for you no matter what state the game was in. Stop relying on saying " but how could we know and plan it out that blues would claim " because that's irrelevant. It didn't matter how many blues claimed because those seeds could still be useful in bringing me up towards the end as a potential lynch candidate whenever you guys wanted ( whether we were in the mislynch phase or not ). Funnily enough now you're using what Tom laid as a seed to be your argument against me. Who would have guessed ? The seeds of doubt ultimately led me to this position where everyone is questioning whether it was reverse psychology or not.

1) You're going pretty hard on this 'plant a seed of doubt' thing because like I said, you are one of the most inconvenient people to save all the way to the end, especially when I'd have killed Jacob over you when he died. Not only that, but in the first few hours of the game? Lol. And again, I can explain that it was done so early because it was done for the sake of reverse psychology. Or, if anything, an easy stance for Tom to fall on that people wouldn't necessarily blame you for. Because indeed that's too obvious. But then again so is Kermit voting for you and then somehow dying during the night.

And good god you're over-explaining Mafia II here. I more or less repeat that you're fully capable of reverse psychology and bussing and that explains it. Of course you're pushing the narrative that it's because you'd already lost your teammate in that game but with Tom you most certainly hadn't, but my point is that Tom isn't exactly the most confident mafia player and hasn't played in a while, so I can see him just being like 'I know I'm not gonna last long in this game'.

2) I'm not buying that excuse for the self-voting at all lmao, especially because I don't see how you would buy into that paranoia either. But on the no lynch vote, fair, and I had the same view of the No Lynch being the safe track, but it's still something that looks pro-town. The scummier thing here is your self vote though because it's coming off as overly safe.

3) "How could we know it and plan it out that blues would claim" IS VERY RELEVANT IF YOU ARE GOING TO ARGUE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SET UP FOR THIS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. Not set up to be lynched, set up to be in this pool. Yes, anything that looks bad on you can be seen as a 'seed of doubt' but when you try and say they were all planned out you discount that there were way more people in this game that looked like better targets for 'seeding' and prepping for endgame than you and you were near-universally townread the first two days of the game in the least, and mostly townread up until D5.

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dad if you’re town and you don’t want to be lynched then stop pushing ILY and suggest an alternative like antonio or some ***

Like I said I'd be down to lynch Amanda as well, but after this argument, I feel much more sure about Kayla. And this is much different than how I felt about you, as tunnely as it seems, because it's much more PoE at this point in the game.
 
Dad for the sake of not another wallpost war I'll answer briefly.

I do have a question for you which you may have answered but I can't recall and you have many posts: Why do you think Kermits was killed at night ? At that moment it seemed obvious the mafia did not want us to have extra days of discussion when it was obvious Kermits would get lynched. What was your opinion of that moment ?

I don't remember Tom as being under confident as a player for the mafia team. With out-of-thread communication, he used to play very hard actually ( even as mafia ) and I was expecting that when I came into this game as well.

I am not familiar with many of these new roles that have been spoken about throughout the game thus far. Why wouldn't I believe the roleclaims people have done ? What basis do I have to go on to say a role like that would never exist ?

Dad you're fighting to argue that I said I was being set up from the beginning to be in the sus pool but that's not what I was saying at all. I said those seeds of doubts would work regardless of the state of the game towards the end. Who would have been a better target to plant a seed of doubt on in your opinion ?

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I'm sure you guys planted seeds of doubt on other people too. I never said they were all done on me, just that there were several I can count which would make players look back and start doubting.
 
ok but if ILY was planning to bus that early in the game why not bus panda instead of tom

pandas role was like disposable where JOAT isn’t rlly?
 
why is no one voting what are you waiting for

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I lowkey wanna switch to iLy guys ughhh

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Amanda will you be voting Dad or iLoveYou?
 
ok but if ILY was planning to bus that early in the game why not bus panda instead of tom

pandas role was like disposable where JOAT isn’t rlly?

See though thats the thing, I just genuinely feel like that has been her entire shield this game. She never developed anything leading up to the Tom lynch, she just sort of started shouting "Lynch Tom!" and has been saying that the entire game to anyone who feels suspicious of her

and Panda was a needed role, she had to survive to Day 3 in order for the ability to work. What are the mafia roles again I forgot

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but then again I have a very hard time seeing her develop the Punchy vote first/last plan as mafia....

maybe I'm just overthinking this

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tbh I think it is dad but I have very hard time seeing it as him at the same time

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if dad flips town i can't wait to say in the endgame "ZOMG I WAS RIGHT ABOUT KAYLA!"
 
i see you punchy and i just wanna say its your fault about the ghostships your pm clearly said DO NOT DIE. but NOOOOOOOOOOO you had to be a bad town and get yourself lynched! ...ur doing this to spite me
 
I did make posts about Tom on Day One.

That actually crossed my mind too about Tom. All he did so far was post a meme and help a nub player out. I can't even comment further than that on him because that is all he provided us with.

Tom

He hasn't been posting much at all and amongst the few times he did, he only posted to agree with me. Looking back, I think he was using me as a "shield" in the sense that he stood behind my words without making a post on his own opinions. So essentially I think he found a way to try to blend into the crowd as Runeraider, and others, have mentioned. Even when people keep calling him out on it, he hasn't responded. I feel like he needs to be kept an eye on, especially with the way he votes & reason for voting.

There were probably more too but they need to be found.
 
Yea u better leave >:< u...cat...wizard...LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER! ok im done
 
Essentially what looked even worse was that he came to post around EoD, then voted himself to appear neutral as I pointed out here:

Dedenne voted for herself.
Tom voted for himself.

That is not okay. I feel like they would have bandwagoned but are staying neutral on purpose now.

Giglabesh coming in conveniently to vote is a bad sign. This person was not active. At all. Sliding by for a reason.

Reading into Ryu's posts from another game now.
 
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