Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

Alright, gonna temporarily go forward on the assumption that Kate was oath's vig kill and that somebody got saved. It just makes more sense that way (even taking into account bluesniping attempts, Kate wasn't really a good kill from that perspective either).

Townlocks
Rune
Fire

Both of them are following their town metas astonishingly well at this point if they are scum. Rune has especially put forward good contributions, and I would honestly be shocked if he was scum. With all that vote switching yesterday, I honestly don't see many plausible worlds in which Fireninja could be scum, or his purpose in doing so (especially since Antonio came out sussing him (my main caveat about the situation). Also, if Antonio is scum and bussing anybody of his sus list, it is almost 100% Gig. No way he's bussing Heyden or FN given their reactions.)

Townleans
Iloveyou - I don't feel that I need to explain this honestly. Though I still feel that there's the possibility that she's tricking me

Punchy - Punchy has honestly been saying all the right since slightly before the end of Day One (except for the "don't vote Ryumia", which I found weird but not uncharacteristic(especially given that Ryu was a far more recent wagon). Even his kneejerk reactions to Fireninja felt absurdly like new town. If Ryu is scum though he's definetely dropping WAY down my list

Panda - I can definetely go more in-depth to this if people need me to. This seems more like a rushed to read town Panda, versus the even less Panda of last game

Kammm-Pretty sure that this is new town. Kinda feel that if she were maf she would be somewhat paralyzed by indecision on what makes her look best. Moreover, she's taking solid decisions now, which I definetely like

Dad - Yeah, I'm siding with him in Dad/Glow

There are frankly so many people on my null list that I'm having a hard time sorting them out within. My top susses though are Tom, Locket, and Glow in that order. Tom's play has really been a letdown so far. His contributions have been lacking at best. He's barely said anything. Locket has been distinctly different from last game or even the one before, and because I have the time to do it, I'm going to give a comparison between now and APM for her

Locket D1 was really inactive in APM, even more so than in this game. But even then, her content has been better and far more definitive than it has been here

(I might be late, haven't been able to read yet)

Why is Dolby so high on your town reads? It's the beginning of the game. Your town/scum leans shouldn't be full on.

From what I've read, Punchy is scum-lean and a Dolby/Punchy team may be present.

Very definitive here, from APM. This is practically her first post of the game, and takes a very solid stance.

Versus in this game

The Ness v Toads thing that happened feels like Town v Town to me. Though, Ness breaking like that is pretty strange.

FN is pretty weird in his posts. He refuses to elaborate a lot. He doesn't have a lot of good contributions so far.

I'll add more later but I've had a long couple of days so I'm gonna rest a bit.

Tbh, this is the best content that she's had all game. She's kind of solid on Ness v Toads, but doesn't make a definitive position on either, leaving room to wiggle a sus out of Ness in the future. On Fireninja, she doesn't even provide a statement one way or the other

Continueing through this game, she really doesn't say much else that actually helps town
@Punchy Stop. You did this last game and it got us nowhere. Get on track, stop saying you're being stupid. Don't go for your own lynch.
It's not.
Let's move on for now, but keep them both in mind.
This in particular caught my eye. In reference to Punchy and Fireninja. It's really a weak statement, and noncommittal, but keeps both FN and Punchy on her plate, while stepping back from blame should one of them have been lynched. this looks particularly egregious to me since I'm townleaning both of them.

Quick updates: I've been going through posts all day and probably do need to put out some reads. I'll put them out as soon as I can. I am a little busy with homework and school in general. If anyone has people they want my opinions on I could probably give some quick opinions.

I think what she is doing here stands in very sharp contrast to what she did in APM as a townie, but that's going to come out later

What timezone?
If you're doing EST/CST (or around there) I was at school.



I started going though posts ~6pm EST and went to be with friends for a bit.

I have school from 10am to 5pm EST. I'm not active before 10am.
Actually reminded me that she didn't end up voting, despite apparently being online

Ryu's answers are definitely ominous. I'll look into her as soon as I get home (on the bus right now so it should be soon.)
She's really making it to easy for me honestly. She's bandwagoning off what's going on within the thread on a popular opinion that just arose, and even uses similar language. Evan even used ominious in two of his four bullet-point responses two minutes prior to this

Gonna see what I think about her posts even though there isn't a lot

In all fairness, she technically did end up doing it

Her posts don't seem like they could be jester until the one where she answered questions.
HUGE red flag here. Rather than choose to scumhunt or address the prospect of Ryu being town vs Ryu being scum, Locket instead focuses on her being a jester, which really should be the focus on what she's doing. Jester was a popular theory at the time, but there is really no excuse for not looking into if somebody is scummy

Now let's get back to what I said earlier about Locket. "in very sharp contrast to APM". Despite the forum being glitched as all hell and despite not being able to complete them fully, Locket delibrately posts her full reads before EoD (it being her first post in over 24 hours then).

I?ve finally finished reading through the posts.

Town-leans:
Dolby
Punchy

Trying to lie about the whole thing would be nearly impossible if they were scum. If there was any lies in what they?re saying about being masons (or something along those lines,) someone would?ve have spoken out against them.

Ness
Ness has claimed blue, and if he was scum he would?ve been caught in a lie (like Dolby/Punchy)

Very slight town-leans:
Vanessa
Tina

Vanessa defending me would be a weird thing to do if she were scum.
Tina seems like town. Her reads, I feel, were legitimate.

Null:
Bianca

Bianca is sussing people, which I find is normal for her. Her posts are very simple and short.

Slight scum-lean:
--- More later
Scum-leans:
--- More later

Dolby would be a safe choice, but Ness is a smart choice.

This was quickly put together. I'm going to read some more posts and post my scum-leans later.

This was honestly kinda the slip that I was talking about earlier, because Locket in the past few games as town as sought to give reads fairly early delibrately

And as I say yesterday, the lack of focus on Locket should really point some things out. Barely anybody considered her seriously after I left (Heyden kind of, and Toads, now dead). And as I pointed out, Locket was honestly an easy target if maf wanted the lynch off of Antonio, and honestly I feel the natural one. All the arguments against Antonio applied even more so to Locket. And again, I feel that discussion on her was shut down fairly quick
 
Dolby would you mind explaining why this is wrong I don't want to bother
 
1. She did
2. Messenger could have forgot to send in actions, if the messenger is scum, a theory I have is kind of like a JoaT, with the messenger being able to RB or frame or smth
3. Tbh, it could link to the messenger's role. Or Tina made them have to make the message related to the flavor text in their Role PM.

The quote was obviously part of the flavor Punchy. What genuine messager would reference "Thelxiepeia" in the starting post. That's 100% flavor and also fits into Tina's writing style

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Dolby would you mind explaining why this is wrong I don't want to bother

I'll try
 
@Dolby bless you for the Locket read I was brainstorming along the same tracks with how she's been playing this so far
 
The quote was obviously part of the flavor Punchy. What genuine messager would reference "Thelxiepeia" in the starting post. That's 100% flavor and also fits into Tina's writing style

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I'll try
Ok fair
 
CRYING can we migrate to MU

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Alright, gonna temporarily go forward on the assumption that Kate was oath's vig kill and that somebody got saved. It just makes more sense that way (even taking into account bluesniping attempts, Kate wasn't really a good kill from that perspective either).

Townlocks
Rune
Fire

Both of them are following their town metas astonishingly well at this point if they are scum. Rune has especially put forward good contributions, and I would honestly be shocked if he was scum. With all that vote switching yesterday, I honestly don't see many plausible worlds in which Fireninja could be scum, or his purpose in doing so (especially since Antonio came out sussing him (my main caveat about the situation). Also, if Antonio is scum and bussing anybody of his sus list, it is almost 100% Gig. No way he's bussing Heyden or FN given their reactions.)

Townleans
Iloveyou - I don't feel that I need to explain this honestly. Though I still feel that there's the possibility that she's tricking me

Punchy - Punchy has honestly been saying all the right since slightly before the end of Day One (except for the "don't vote Ryumia", which I found weird but not uncharacteristic(especially given that Ryu was a far more recent wagon). Even his kneejerk reactions to Fireninja felt absurdly like new town. If Ryu is scum though he's definetely dropping WAY down my list

Panda - I can definetely go more in-depth to this if people need me to. This seems more like a rushed to read town Panda, versus the even less Panda of last game

Kammm-Pretty sure that this is new town. Kinda feel that if she were maf she would be somewhat paralyzed by indecision on what makes her look best. Moreover, she's taking solid decisions now, which I definetely like

Dad - Yeah, I'm siding with him in Dad/Glow

There are frankly so many people on my null list that I'm having a hard time sorting them out within. My top susses though are Tom, Locket, and Glow in that order. Tom's play has really been a letdown so far. His contributions have been lacking at best. He's barely said anything. Locket has been distinctly different from last game or even the one before, and because I have the time to do it, I'm going to give a comparison between now and APM for her

Locket D1 was really inactive in APM, even more so than in this game. But even then, her content has been better and far more definitive than it has been here



Very definitive here, from APM. This is practically her first post of the game, and takes a very solid stance.

Versus in this game



Tbh, this is the best content that she's had all game. She's kind of solid on Ness v Toads, but doesn't make a definitive position on either, leaving room to wiggle a sus out of Ness in the future. On Fireninja, she doesn't even provide a statement one way or the other

Continueing through this game, she really doesn't say much else that actually helps town



This in particular caught my eye. In reference to Punchy and Fireninja. It's really a weak statement, and noncommittal, but keeps both FN and Punchy on her plate, while stepping back from blame should one of them have been lynched. this looks particularly egregious to me since I'm townleaning both of them.



I think what she is doing here stands in very sharp contrast to what she did in APM as a townie, but that's going to come out later


Actually reminded me that she didn't end up voting, despite apparently being online


She's really making it to easy for me honestly. She's bandwagoning off what's going on within the thread on a popular opinion that just arose, and even uses similar language. Evan even used ominious in two of his four bullet-point responses two minutes prior to this



In all fairness, she technically did end up doing it


HUGE red flag here. Rather than choose to scumhunt or address the prospect of Ryu being town vs Ryu being scum, Locket instead focuses on her being a jester, which really should be the focus on what she's doing. Jester was a popular theory at the time, but there is really no excuse for not looking into if somebody is scummy

Now let's get back to what I said earlier about Locket. "in very sharp contrast to APM". Despite the forum being glitched as all hell and despite not being able to complete them fully, Locket delibrately posts her full reads before EoD (it being her first post in over 24 hours then).



This was honestly kinda the slip that I was talking about earlier, because Locket in the past few games as town as sought to give reads fairly early delibrately

And as I say yesterday, the lack of focus on Locket should really point some things out. Barely anybody considered her seriously after I left (Heyden kind of, and Toads, now dead). And as I pointed out, Locket was honestly an easy target if maf wanted the lynch off of Antonio, and honestly I feel the natural one. All the arguments against Antonio applied even more so to Locket. And again, I feel that discussion on her was shut down fairly quick

what exactly does dad's alignment have to do w. mine again
 
Tina never put up voting rules I don't think

And the same goes if you were town why would you risk getting modkilled.

she did, twice

i forgot to vote, i wouldn't forget as mafia because i'd feel an obligation to a team
 
glow just curious who out of everyone in the game now do you scumlean? 2/3 of your former suspicions have been revealed as town and you haven't said anything that progresses the game for your last like 10 posts
 
she did, twice

i forgot to vote, i wouldn't forget as mafia because i'd feel an obligation to a team

Uh, no she didn't? Could you point them out? Granted, I'm only looking at the OP at first post of the voting thread, but I went into the game assuming that voting only every other day was required

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glow just curious who out of everyone in the game now do you scumlean? 2/3 of your former suspicions have been revealed as town and you haven't said anything that progresses the game for your last like 10 posts

+1
 
glow just curious who out of everyone in the game now do you scumlean? 2/3 of your former suspicions have been revealed as town and you haven't said anything that progresses the game for your last like 10 posts

idk i have a lot of trs and poe is NOT fun

i outed one of my srs o_O

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Uh, no she didn't? Could you point them out? Granted, I'm only looking at the OP at first post of the voting thread, but I went into the game assuming that voting only every other day was required

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+1

it's spoilered in the op here and sign ups

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i am more likely to be scum than wrong....never forget it friendos
 
If Glow were mafia, then why would she target her own suspicions to reveal them as Town ? Wouldn't she then be exposing herself ? I'm sorry but Tom needs to get lynched. He conveniently came around yesterday to post and place a vote on himself. Now ALREADY he has stopped posting again. He dropped by the thread for the night post and now he's gone again.
 
she did, twice

i forgot to vote, i wouldn't forget as mafia because i'd feel an obligation to a team

i don't think this is a very solid reason to have not voted. if you just said "I forgot to vote" then that would be different. It feels like you're just hiding behind that so you don't have to take responsibility for not voting Dedenne. You were in the thread nearly an hour before the extension of EoD and you had said this:

so can we vote dedenne since they softclaimed VT or mafia

You were clearly aware of the situation that EoD was coming up, yet you disappeared an hour without a trace to come back afterwards saying "lol they had it coming don't vote yourself as town".

Not saying this directly to glow anymore, but I find it really sketchy how glow has to say "can we lynch Dedenne now since they softclaimed VT or mafia. What point is there in asking the people in the thread "can we lynch X now" when there is literally both traction being gained for the lynch already and the fact that you could easily just put your vote on Dedenne right there in then. I've seen glow vote people without hesitation in the past, it feel incredibly odd that she would feel the need to subtly snuff out validation from people before voting.

Bonus points:

why even do this as town i want to vote u so bad now

again, why not just vote someone if you think they're suspicious and you have clearly stated why you think they're suspicious in an earlier post
 
i don't think this is a very solid reason to have not voted. if you just said "I forgot to vote" then that would be different. It feels like you're just hiding behind that so you don't have to take responsibility for not voting Dedenne. You were in the thread nearly an hour before the extension of EoD and you had said this:



You were clearly aware of the situation that EoD was coming up, yet you disappeared an hour without a trace to come back afterwards saying "lol they had it coming don't vote yourself as town".

Not saying this directly to glow anymore, but I find it really sketchy how glow has to say "can we lynch Dedenne now since they softclaimed VT or mafia. What point is there in asking the people in the thread "can we lynch X now" when there is literally both traction being gained for the lynch already and the fact that you could easily just put your vote on Dedenne right there in then. I've seen glow vote people without hesitation in the past, it feel incredibly odd that she would feel the need to subtly snuff out validation from people before voting.

Bonus points:



again, why not just vote someone if you think they're suspicious and you have clearly stated why you think they're suspicious in an earlier post

but i did say that i forgot to vote, i'm not sure what you're trying to say

i was at work and intended to vote before deadline but got busy. when i said the "can we vote dedenne" line nobody was voting dedenne besides dedenne herself. and i didn't want to split so i was waiting.

okay but if i am mafia why not just vote the person who i clearly said i suss'd blah blah why risk modkill over faking "hesitation".....................OH wait

that's because it was genuine hesitation!
 
If Glow were mafia, then why would she target her own suspicions to reveal them as Town ? Wouldn't she then be exposing herself ? I'm sorry but Tom needs to get lynched. He conveniently came around yesterday to post and place a vote on himself. Now ALREADY he has stopped posting again. He dropped by the thread for the night post and now he's gone again.

Honestly have to agree that Tom is a higher priority than Glow, but I really disagree that Glow wouldn't just kill oath for some reason or another

Gonna need to read back on what the dead people said sometime
 
Honestly have to agree that Tom is a higher priority than Glow, but I really disagree that Glow wouldn't just kill oath for some reason or another

Gonna need to read back on what the dead people said sometime

i mean, i knew he was mafia or blue so if i was mafia and he wasn't on my team i would def kill him lmao
 
but i did say that i forgot to vote, i'm not sure what you're trying to say

i was at work and intended to vote before deadline but got busy. when i said the "can we vote dedenne" line nobody was voting dedenne besides dedenne herself. and i didn't want to split so i was waiting.

okay but if i am mafia why not just vote the person who i clearly said i suss'd blah blah why risk modkill over faking "hesitation".....................OH wait

that's because it was genuine hesitation!

Glow, frankly I agree that you not voting really isn't a reason to sus you. But seriously, don't hold it over your ****ing head and shout "I'M CONFIRMED TOWN BECAUSE OF THIS". It does not
 
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