Hypermasculinity

[cIementine]

i think it's annoying when people perceive feminism as a movement of women trying to destroy the patriarchy and that it focuses only on female issues however that certainly isn't the case. people who think otherwise ('meninists') are just completely ignorant and are claiming things without looking it up first.
even people who consider themselves feminists make such mistakes, or take their possibly incorrect feminist beliefs to a whole new level in which it is abusive and harassing others, consequently making themselves more of an issue than the ones they wish to tackle and badly representing the feminist movement.

hypermasculinity sucks - it is the start to ways of homophobia and transphobia - and i see examples of it in everyday life; for example, a boy in some of my classes is a really talented artist and loves manga and anime. people have told him it's 'gay' and a bit girly. this is art, for goodness sake. since when was art a feminine thing? it teaches guys to define their aggressive values above the nurturing, respective values to fit the stereotype that men are dictating figures who always get their way. it also teaches them not to be considerate of others and care about their own opinions or righteousness. worst of all, it isn't seen as wrong. they have been encouraged and influenced by their family, friends, and society to act in such a way and that it is right.

 

[ams]

I really liked your post OP! I definitely see these problems amongst the guys in my life that I really care about (I once had a friend that was embarrassed when I'd hold doors open for him because he felt "emasculated"). I think it takes an unbelievable amount of strength for a guy to just be who he is and not worry about coming off weak. I have two amazing men in my life (one of whom being my dad) who I think do this beautifully!

 

[Ghost Soda]

And on the meninist issue: I actually didn't think a word for it existed, but any woman who does not respect meninists is just awful. Women get mad when they are treated a certain way, but for whatever reason men aren't allowed to feel the same? Women demand gender equality, yet they want to be treated better than men and often scoff at being assigned hard work?

Anyone who feels the need to stick "men" onto FEMINISM deserves no respect from me. Feminism, and I mean REAL feminism, already helps men too. You don't need to stick a "men" tag onto it. Please educate yourself on REAL feminism before making crap posts like this.

 

[Pokemanz]

Anyone who feels the need to stick "men" onto FEMINISM deserves no respect from me. Feminism, and I mean REAL feminism, already helps men too. You don't need to stick a "men" tag onto it. Please educate yourself on REAL feminism before making crap posts like this.

But why exactly is it that women can and are allowed to do things that men can't? It has to go both ways or else it's hypocrisy, you know. While a woman is offended they never get offered work often intended for men, maybe I'm offended I never get offered work intended for women.

 

[tae]

bless this entire freaking post. thank you. thank you so freaking much for this.

 

[cIementine]

But why exactly is it that women can and are allowed to do things that men can't? It has to go both ways or else it's hypocrisy, you know. While a woman is offended they never get offered work often intended for men, maybe I'm offended I never get offered work intended for women.

feminism tackles these issues for men and women. men can be feminists too.
feminism is about gender equality, not just women's equality.

 

[Pokemanz]

feminism tackles these issues for men and women. men can be feminists too.
feminism is about gender equality, not just women's equality.

But it's more directed towards women and is often used as an excuse to get away with things. If a man tries to be a feminist all hell breaks loose. I really don't understand why we can't just force everyone to be the same? No special rights for anyone who is of good health? Would fix a lot of problems that way.

 

[cIementine]

But it's more directed towards women and is often used as an excuse to get away with things. If a man tries to be a feminist all hell breaks loose. I really don't understand why we can't just force everyone to be the same? No special rights for anyone who is of good health? Would fix a lot of problems that way.

bad feminists use it as an excuse, yes. sadly the ratio of bad feminists to good feminists doesn't tilt towards the latter, so I get what you mean. It would be a lot easier without stereotypes, privilege and prejudice.

 

[tumut]

Ugh. It makes me wanna stick my nipples in an electric pencil sharpener.

 

[ams]

But it's more directed towards women and is often used as an excuse to get away with things. If a man tries to be a feminist all hell breaks loose. I really don't understand why we can't just force everyone to be the same? No special rights for anyone who is of good health? Would fix a lot of problems that way.

Just out of curiosity, what special rights of women are you referring to?

 

[oath2order]

Just out of curiosity, what special rights of women are you referring to?

Probably stuff like lighter sentencing for the same crime, priority in child custody cases even if the father in the case would be a better caregiver

 

[KarlaKGB]

smh everyone needs to man up

 

[Ghost Soda]

But it's more directed towards women and is often used as an excuse to get away with things. If a man tries to be a feminist all hell breaks loose. I really don't understand why we can't just force everyone to be the same? No special rights for anyone who is of good health? Would fix a lot of problems that way.

Feminism is about equal rights. Anyone who says they're a feminist but wants more rights for women is doing it wrong. And there's nothing wrong with male feminists. It's when they feel the need to stick a "men" tag on it that I call bs.

 

[SuperVandal]

Probably stuff like lighter sentencing for the same crime, priority in child custody cases even if the father in the case would be a better caregiver

those sound more like privileges than rights

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

It's not gay if you say no homo first.

 

[Pokemanz]

Feminism is about equal rights. Anyone who says they're a feminist but wants more rights for women is doing it wrong. And there's nothing wrong with male feminists. It's when they feel the need to stick a "men" tag on it that I call bs.

There's nothing wrong with male feminists, but you hardly ever see any because it's considered "wrong" for whatever reason.

All genders should be equal on ALL aspects. You can't just pick and choose. The only reason feminism is such a big issue is because it has "feminine" in it, which makes everyone think it's some ploy by women to get special privileges.

those sound more like privileges than rights

Exactly. They have special privileges that men don't and that's not gender equality.

 

[Ghost Soda]

There's nothing wrong with male feminists, but you hardly ever see any because it's considered "wrong" for whatever reason.

Last time I checked, there's nothing wrong with male feminists. The only reason I can think of is because some people (i.e. idiots) would think that guys being associated with anything feminine or "girly" is bad, which is a feminist issue, or because some guy feminists think being a feminist absolves them of any and all criticisms.

The only reason feminism is such a big issue is because it has "feminine" in it, which makes everyone think it's some ploy by women to get special privileges.

Then people who assume such are uniformed idiots. Weather you like it or not, feminism was made FOR WOMEN. It helps guys but it was made for women to get the same rights that guys do. The fact that people would rather whine about the name then what it stands for shows how stupid anti-feminists can be.

Exactly. They have special privileges that men don't and that's not gender equality.

Which feminism does NOT promote.

 

[Tao]

Ugh. It makes me wanna stick my nipples in an electric pencil sharpener.

I recommend building a thick callous on your nipples before attempting this.

 

[Pokemanz]

-snip-

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not really sure why you're attacking me when we're on the same page.

 

[Ghost Soda]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm not really sure why you're attacking me when we're on the same page.

I'm not attacking you, I'm telling you why I think the term menimist is dumb.