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im not from the states but im relieved that this Biden has won instead of that atrocity of a human that is trump. Why did americans even voted for him over clinton is beyond me.
While this is a massive oversimplification, he managed to create a persona of an Average Joe sort of guy since he wasn't a politician and he was running against Clinton who very much was a career politician and had some scandals in those last few months that probably only solidified her persona of toxicity. I voted against Trump in 2016, but I was not voting for Clinton. Most people on both sides that cycle were doing the same thing: voted for a candidate they disliked because they disliked the other more. It's simply that Hillary was the much lesser of two evils, but Trump managed to ingratiate himself with the right people in the right places. I have often said the analogy to my dad "Hillary was a snake, but at least snakes eat rats. Trump was a slug and just made things gross."
There was also a reddit post I read that summarized it pretty well. The gist was that lots of older and most often white Americans look at the country and say "I got an Associates Degree on a part-time job and provided a comfortable middle class life for my whole family while my kids go into debt for Masters and PHDs and can barely eek out a living, my friends factory job went overseas to China, and I can't retire comfortably until I'm almost 80! I'm too old to go into a completely different field where I have to start from scratch! Why isn't anyone doing anything?!" Democrats by and large respond to this by saying "We need to realign the country, learn new skills, and create new industries." Whereas Republicans usually (many times falsely) say "We will bring back those working class jobs! We will open the coal mines back up! We will save the factories. We will bring back the America of the past!" (See Reagan's "Morning in America" campaigns).
Essentially, many were desperate and willing to buy into the lie and continue as they have rather than go down a different path, even if that has the possibility of leading off a cliff.
Overall i'm thrilled that biden won but we aren't done yet. we need a civil rights bill yesterday. something i really hope they do pass is a new voting rights bill that will re-enfranchise voters & BAN POLL TAXES. i can't believe i'm asking the federal govt to ban poll taxes in 2020 but uh here we are. also please make registering to vote online a federal funding withholding issue so some states will get with the times please & thank you
Not sure why I came back to this thread.
As a Trump supporter, it’s really hurtful to see people from this community saying that they won’t be friends with someone like me and saying things about me that aren’t true. I feel very unwelcome here and it sucks because I thought I found a community where I could belong and make friends and have fun. No one cares about my opinion, so I won’t say anything else.
Although I am ecstatic that Biden won, I understand your feelings & i don't judge you
I wouldn't take anything people say about "all XYZ people" too seriously. people make generalizations because they don't know you as a person- if you are a good person that will shine through no matter what politics you've been taught to follow. if you read this stuff & think "that's not me", if you know you're not someone that dislikes minorities & foreigners or judges people based on their skin color or background, someone who doesn't hate gay or trans people based on things they can't change & who they are... simply put, if you're not someone who believes that the world belongs to white people and that power belongs to white men and everyone else who's "deviant" can get scr***ed and d*e, then you are no enemy of mine.
people are products of their environment. if your environment is primarily conservative & christian, and you'd be outcast for being anything else, why would you be the one to deviate? if your parents think one way, it's so difficult to break from them and consider thinking other ways- people care what the people closest to them think & you trust your friends and family to teach you about the world & help you navigate life- including politics. most parents are reasonable hard working people- why wouldn't you trust them? being from a small rural town in MO, I'd never blame anyone for being a trump supporter- if I spent my whole life there, i'd likely be a republican too. there's a lack of exposure to other perspectives out there- not saying this is your situation- i meant the "general you". i'm just saying that my cousins, aunts & uncles, grandparents, suffer from poverty and a lack of exposure to different kinds of people, different ways of thinking, and communal pressure in a tiny town where everyone knows each other- that's made it taboo to be anything else but a trump supporter or to even question the party.
if this sounds like something that you relate to, i'd just encourage... reading honestly. please challenge yourself, supplement your life with books or articles about the experiences of people you don't really relate to- hispanic, indian, native american, black authors and voices that are out there who write GREAT books. they don't have to be educational or about social problems- i have this book i really love by an indian-american author just about... living as a young indian lady in america. it's good for people to learn new things and be exposed to different perspectives. it's a lot to ask someone to put themselves out there, or move, & make drastic life changes. but a library card is something that is so easy to get and it will change your life. maybe after that step, get to know people you don't normally hang out with & listen to their life experiences. i DONT EXPECT you to change your political views at all- but what you will get is a new perspective. you'll just be a better person with that perspective. education isn't bad or brainwashing- literacy is the ONE AND ONLY true tool of freedom. LEARNING WILL ALWAYS ALWAYSALWAYSALWAYS be a good use of your time. if you take away anything from this, that's all i want
my parents moved to the city when i was a young girl. we all changed a lot by being in the city- my stepdad has been a republican since forever but voted for biden in his 1st flipped ticket EVER, because of what we learned when we moved & were around other people with different life experiences & perspectives. it's so important to have that. because i have this outside perspective now, i find these misinformation campaigns sooooo pernicious. they're designed to mislead people who don't have the resources and the knowledge and the experience to navigate the complicated web of information that is the internet.
i can't stand trump and people like him because he doesn't "tell it how it is". he lies and misleads good innocent people who wouldnt hurt a fly into being nasty, vitriolic, hateful, online trolls- using their pain and anger at poverty, their economic insecurity & fear of destitution, and their lack of knowledge about communities they have little contact with to further his own desire for power. he's empowered by people who create misleading facebook groups based on information with no scientific backing or root in reality to further their own goals- whatever they may be- and lead these people who don't know any better, who fear mental illnesses and want the best for their kids, who fear evil men who would hurt and kidnap children- into these traps, making their lives run by conspiracies and full of fear and anguish. i hate trump because he enabled people who seek to take advantage of others- encouraged them that it's fine to spread lies, to use people, to say horrible things, to be BAD people, because he, frankly, in the four years he was president, wasn't held accountable. he was an outward criminal who took advantage of others and no one stopped him. and he radicalized otherwise gentle and naïve people into these... internet monsters. he's no one to me, an insignificant person with no real intelligence or persuasiveness- but because of manipulations put in motion decades ago he has no hope of understanding- he was able to harness the hatred, fear, anger, and pain of a voter base he knows nothing about. he didn't even bother to get to know them. he just dogwhistled the whole time and read from the republican script- "china", "socialism", and "law and order". trump really is great value brand reagan- he can only dream of being as competent, charismatic, and wholly damaging to america as ronald reagan. i can't stand how much work some people have put into creating a complex media and social infrastructure solely dedicated indoctrinating people- paying so much money to actors who sometimes profess to not believing a single word they say on camera- to deceive them & work against their best interests. they've made politics about "ideas" and "culture", not action, and gaslight their voter base into thinking "demo-RATS" did that to always put the democrats on the defensive & make them look weak. it's a brilliant tactic that's worked for 60 years. good job nixon you evil cheating SOB. hope you're rotting in hell. and for what... political power. money. fame. influence. not to help people. it's awful and sickening. all of this information is publicly available & yet no one does anything about it, because no one cares that people i love, my family members, are being radicalized... because in their hearts they think the world and its people are all inherently bad and no one cares what happens to them. and aren't they right? no one cares & no one helps & they continue to suffer & continue having their suffering exploited by rich aristocrats who can't stand the idea of not ripping the planet in half for profit and sharing a little of what they have with the world however i dont have any sympathy for trump supporters that are single issue voters and hate abortion. on every other issue you know better but thats the hill you choose to sacrifice the rest of us on? sorry i just have no sympathy for that at all
tl;dr- i'm from a small town & my family are the people that trump & Rs target. this rant^ is about how i can't stand the southern strategy & how i mourn the loss of my family members to conspiracy and vitriol. all we ever were was poor. no one from that town did nothing to nobody. they were taken advantage of. [colorful word] DT & the private plane he flew in on & [colorful word] the rich & powerful people who put him there and don't care about anyone but themselves please don't point out the grammatical error i did it on purpose
i don't expect 4 years of biden to undo decades of foundation-laying to create the environment that could elect trump. we need to seriously put a wheel in motion that will free the next generation from the ghosts of our ancestors and the exploitation of rich aspiring-oligarchs. yay ~american politics~
Not sure why I came back to this thread.
As a Trump supporter, it’s really hurtful to see people from this community saying that they won’t be friends with someone like me and saying things about me that aren’t true. I feel very unwelcome here and it sucks because I thought I found a community where I could belong and make friends and have fun. No one cares about my opinion, so I won’t say anything else.
I’m with you here. It doesn’t matter who you support (Trump, Biden, McConnell, Schumer etc). Under no exception is it okay to bully other members for not agreeing with you. Yet, there are people out there who think it’s morally right to bully others for supporting Trump or for not agreeing with them. They may call Trump and his supporters “racists”, but the Trump supporters’ decision to support Trump does not give his opponents any right or reason to bully the supporters. And if they think it does, they need to learn civics.
As much as I supported some of the things he did - filling the Supreme Court vacancies with three originalists who appeal more to the Constitution than to partisanship, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel by moving their US embassy to Jerusalem, the Middle Eastern peace deal, and cutting taxes (which included sabotaging Obamacare) - I also agree that he is unfit for presidency and that he was only there just for fame, plus doing several things that show how much of an embarrassment he is to America. And he’s now trying to challenge the election. This sounds more like a dictatorship than anything. But I acknowledge that people can support Trump without supporting what he did wrong.
good job nixon you evil cheating SOB. hope you're rotting in hell. and for what... political power. money. fame. influence. not to help people. it's awful and sickening. all of this information is publicly available & yet no one does anything about it, because no one cares that people i love, my family members, are being radicalized... because in their hearts they think the world and its people are all inherently bad and no one cares what happens to them. and aren't they right? no one cares & no one helps & they continue to suffer & continue having their suffering exploited by rich aristocrats who can't stand the idea of not ripping the planet in half for profit and sharing a little of what they have with the world
I’ve been thinking, if there was anybody that is ultimately responsible for the polarization that divided Democrats and Republicans from each other, it’s not Trump, Obama, Bush, or Clinton. The blame goes to Richard Nixon. Johnson and Kennedy even helped unite our nation, but Nixon screwed it up. It especially got worse since Obama became president.
I actually thought of a story idea where a time travel team kept creating new timelines for every time paradox they created. Right when they came to create the 9th timeline (after three bad timelines created), they came to a realization that Richard Nixon was responsible for the polarization that happened since the 1990s (the same one the Trump presidency occurred under). For that reason, they interfered with the 1968 Election to ensure that Richard Nixon doesn’t become president, thus making America more united and less divided. The problem, Richard Nixon also created the EPA, and when Nixon was denied the presidency, no environmental protection group was created. As a result, much of the world was flooded in 2020.
I disagree with this. When you vote for someone, you are voting for the entire package. People who supported Hitler because they thought he was good for the German economy were not good people just expressing their opinions. Turning a blind eye to bigotry is a form of bigotry itself.
I believe in love, forgiveness, and redemption and I'll be accepting of anyone who voted for Trump in 2016 and/or 2020 if they are willing to acknowledge that they made a mistake and want to move on from him. But anyone who still backs him is still intentionally or inadvertently supporting family separations, deference to white supremicist groups, tear gassing peaceful protestors, endangering the lives of others by ignoring public health advice, and all of the other vile things Trump has done. Now that Trump has lost, there's no good reason to support him anymore as there are many other politicians who can run in 2024 who support the same policies as Trump does without having his hatred. It will be telling whether Republicans swiftly disown him after a record number of people voted against him, or if they try to prop him up for a 2024 run.
While this is a massive oversimplification, he managed to create a persona of an Average Joe sort of guy since he wasn't a politician and he was running against Clinton who very much was a career politician and had some scandals in those last few months that probably only solidified her persona of toxicity. I voted against Trump in 2016, but I was not voting for Clinton. Most people on both sides that cycle were doing the same thing: voted for a candidate they disliked because they disliked the other more. It's simply that Hillary was the much lesser of two evils, but Trump managed to ingratiate himself with the right people in the right places. I have often said the analogy to my dad "Hillary was a snake, but at least snakes eat rats. Trump was a slug and just made things gross."
There was also a reddit post I read that summarized it pretty well. The gist was that lots of older and most often white Americans look at the country and say "I got an Associates Degree on a part-time job and provided a comfortable middle class life for my whole family while my kids go into debt for Masters and PHDs and can barely eek out a living, my friends factory job went overseas to China, and I can't retire comfortably until I'm almost 80! I'm too old to go into a completely different field where I have to start from scratch! Why isn't anyone doing anything?!" Democrats by and large respond to this by saying "We need to realign the country, learn new skills, and create new industries." Whereas Republicans usually (many times falsely) say "We will bring back those working class jobs! We will open the coal mines back up! We will save the factories. We will bring back the America of the past!" (See Reagan's "Morning in America" campaigns).
Essentially, many were desperate and willing to buy into the lie and continue as they have rather than go down a different path, even if that has the possibility of leading off a cliff.
And sadly, what makes the argument about bringing back working-class manufacturing jobs (I won't lie, I'm saying this as an admirer of the working class myself, as I'm a Bruce Springsteen fan, and while I'm not from a working-class family, my parents and grandparents were raised in them) even, well... sadder, is the fact that automation is going to just continue to eliminate the human need for those jobs from existence for the most part. What bothered me about many of these working class Americans that voted for Donald Trump (in both 2016 and 2020) is that they didn't seem to realize that, basically, Trump and other Republicans were giving them an empty promise... And while I constantly hear Trump supporters say that manufacturing jobs did come back (and keep saying that Barack Obama and Joe Biden sold them out when they had the White House), automation is a trend that, as time goes on, will only continue, obviously with the rise of artificial intelligence.
It says a lot when I can even order food at McDonald's (and this was even before the pandemic) and not even talk to a cashier.
I disagree with this. When you vote for someone, you are voting for the entire package. People who supported Hitler because they thought he was good for the German economy were not good people just expressing their opinions. Turning a blind eye to bigotry is a form of bigotry itself.
I believe in love, forgiveness, and redemption and I'll be accepting of anyone who voted for Trump in 2016 and/or 2020 if they are willing to acknowledge that they made a mistake and want to move on from him. But anyone who still backs him is still intentionally or inadvertently supporting family separations, deference to white supremicist groups, tear gassing peaceful protestors, endangering the lives of others by ignoring public health advice, and all of the other vile things Trump has done. Now that Trump has lost, there's no good reason to support him anymore as there are many other politicians who can run in 2024 who support the same policies as Trump does without having his hatred. It will be telling whether Republicans swiftly disown him after a record number of people voted against him, or if they try to prop him up for a 2024 run.
This. This so much. I'm sorry, but while I generally dislike "guilt by association", as it's something the right says where they frequently calls liberals like us socialists and communists (which, as a soft socialist myself, I'm not quite sure that Republicans even really know what socialism is), those who helped enable Donald Trump should not be appeased. Trump's bigotry against numerous groups-racial minorities, LGBT (which I am a part of, so the LGBT part is quite personal to me, after all, while I'm not transgender, Donald Trump did ban trans people from the military, and refused to declare Pride Month ever while he was in office, among other things), Muslims, Jews (basically numerous religious minorities here from an American standpoint, as most Americans are Christian, yet clearly the way Trump acts like, while Republicans basically love Christianity, does not reflect much about Christian morals at all, but I'm going to say this as a Christian myself: my view of the religion and its followers has diminished, which is why I am no longer very religious and consider myself also a deist with agnostic sympathies, my religious views are quite complicated), and so on, basically proved that he was not a president for all Americans. One reason I voted for Joe Biden was a very clear point that he-and Kamala Harris as his running mate-made, and that was that there are no red states and blue states, there is a United States, and that's what Biden would be president of. Even though I myself, as I said earlier, am from a state that consistently votes red, Alabama (AL has not backed a Democrat since Jimmy Carter in 1976, and he was the governor of the neighboring Southern state of Georgia), I never once felt that as someone who is both bisexual and liberal that I was part of the groups Trump and Republicans call "real America". I hate to be stereotypical, but it really seems like the only Americans conservatives in this country consider important are those who are white, live in rural areas, and are Christian and conservative themselves, as well as straight (there's a reason why LGBT people like me have voted solidly Democratic since the 1972 election with George McGovern's candidacy, despite the fact that McGovern lost that election in a 49-state landslide to Richard Nixon, who was the incumbent president then). And I'm sorry, but my sentiments on that have only grown whenever I'd see Trump supporters brag about "owning the libs" and "winning" all the time.
There's a reason why many people in the United States, and all over the world right now, following Donald Trump's clear ouster from this election and Joe Biden becoming his successor feel that finally, for once, think that the US is becoming a compassionate country again. (Even though, arguably, we should've never stopped being one)
Also, look, I'm a former conservative, so please, no one here stereotype me as "Oh, you're another liberal who hates Republicans!". Hell, while I had already become liberal by the time Donald Trump was elected (although I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election because I wasn't old enough to vote yet, I was only 16 then), I was conservative until I was around 15 or 16 (I basically stopped being conservative because of my sexuality, and also how it basically disgusted me that the Republican Party would even consider nominating someone like Trump), I was, in some ways, alt-right before alt-right was a thing, which I disgracefully admit about myself-I was once a right-leaning authoritarian around 2013, who, while I would not call myself as extreme as a neo-Nazi at the time, admired the German Empire and figures such as Kaiser Wilhelm II-who really did not deserve admiration. Once I instead, just months later, by early 2014, adopted people like Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln as my political heroes, my views began moving left, and basically that just continued slowly until around early 2016 when I had become a liberal, albeit one with a moderate bent (I have moved even more left since then, which is why I consider myself a socialist now, and in some ways, I honestly don't think Joe Biden is left enough, but he'll suffice). That's enough about me, but my point about the history of my political viewpoints is that people can change-one of my IRL friends is a guy who cast his first vote ever (he was born in 1997, so he was 19 at the time of the 2016 election) for Donald Trump, but ended up voting for Biden instead in this election, as did his father. I am in agreement with you, Red Cat, in that these people need to show the willingness to change and part with the Trumpian era of politics for the Republican Party-after all, the Republicans are already well to the right of many conservative political parties in, for example, countries in Western Europe.
I’m with you here. It doesn’t matter who you support (Trump, Biden, McConnell, Schumer etc). Under no exception is it okay to bully other members for not agreeing with you. Yet, there are people out there who think it’s morally right to bully others for supporting Trump or for not agreeing with them. They may call Trump and his supporters “racists”, but the Trump supporters’ decision to support Trump does not give his opponents any right or reason to bully the supporters. And if they think it does, they need to learn civics.
As much as I supported some of the things he did - filling the Supreme Court vacancies with three originalists who appeal more to the Constitution than to partisanship, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel by moving their US embassy to Jerusalem, the Middle Eastern peace deal, and cutting taxes (which included sabotaging Obamacare) - I also agree that he is unfit for presidency and that he was only there just for fame, plus doing several things that show how much of an embarrassment he is to America. And he’s now trying to challenge the election. This sounds more like a dictatorship than anything. But I acknowledge that people can support Trump without supporting what he did wrong.
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I’ve been thinking, if there was anybody that is ultimately responsible for the polarization that divided Democrats and Republicans from each other, it’s not Trump, Obama, Bush, or Clinton. The blame goes to Richard Nixon. Johnson and Kennedy even helped unite our nation, but Nixon screwed it up. It especially got worse since Obama became president.
I actually thought of a story idea where a time travel team kept creating new timelines for every time paradox they created. Right when they came to create the 9th timeline (after three bad timelines created), they came to a realization that Richard Nixon was responsible for the polarization that happened since the 1990s (the same one the Trump presidency occurred under). For that reason, they interfered with the 1968 Election to ensure that Richard Nixon doesn’t become president, thus making America more united and less divided. The problem, Richard Nixon also created the EPA, and when Nixon was denied the presidency, no environmental protection group was created. As a result, much of the world was flooded in 2020.
I would argue that the polarization was largely seen once Barack Obama took office because of issues such as the Tea Party and how Republican Congressmen literally wanted to get nothing done, but okay.
I'm sorry, but while I generally dislike "guilt by association", as it's something the right says where they frequently calls liberals like us socialists and communists (which, as a soft socialist myself, I'm not quite sure that Republicans even really know what socialism is), those who helped enable Donald Trump should not be appeased.
as someone who's been socialist/communist for years now it is sooooo funny when people claim any democrat is let alone joe biden. something commonly said amongst us is "i want (to vote for) the joe biden republicans think he is".
also, good on you for growing politically and being open about it, it's always heartwarming to see.
And sadly, what makes the argument about bringing back working-class manufacturing jobs (I won't lie, I'm saying this as an admirer of the working class myself, as I'm a Bruce Springsteen fan, and while I'm not from a working-class family, my parents and grandparents were raised in them) even, well... sadder, is the fact that automation is going to just continue to eliminate the human need for those jobs from existence for the most part. What bothered me about many of these working class Americans that voted for Donald Trump (in both 2016 and 2020) is that they didn't seem to realize that, basically, Trump and other Republicans were giving them an empty promise... And while I constantly hear Trump supporters say that manufacturing jobs did come back (and keep saying that Barack Obama and Joe Biden sold them out when they had the White House), automation is a trend that, as time goes on, will only continue, obviously with the rise of artificial intelligence.
It says a lot when I can even order food at McDonald's (and this was even before the pandemic) and not even talk to a cashier.
I find this rather interesting. I acknowledge that as technology moves on, we don’t need these manufacturing jobs or mining jobs. However, stuff like this need to phase out, not abruptly end. One thing I appreciated about Trump that I criticized Obama for was that he re-opened the coal mines Obama closed. Once renewable energy really starts to kick in after decades of phasing in, demand for coal will be drastically down, giving us no reason to have the mines open. But it’s still years away for that to happen, and abrupt changes are not a good way to solve problems.
I would argue that the polarization was largely seen once Barack Obama took office because of issues such as the Tea Party and how Republican Congressmen literally wanted to get nothing done, but okay.
I would still blame Nixon on this if we had to pick someone who’s ultimately responsible for dividing us. As for how it got worse under Obama, I wouldn’t completely vilify the Republicans. We stuck to a bubble of compromise for a while, but when Obama became president, he popped that bubble so he could enforce his radical ideas that draw a lot of fierce opposition. But yes, the Tea Party did make things worse. Either way, it definitely got worse when Trump became president. It’s like throwing gunpowder or gasoline as an attempt to put out a forest fire.
It’s kinda interesting that even in today’s society where polarization is at Civil War-level, there are many ideas from both sides that an overwhelming majority will not support. Take for instance, the general populace is not going to take overturning Roe v Wade too kindly, but even they don’t think abortion should go completely unregulated. However, those with the loudest voices are the radicals. People have to learn how to compromise.
as someone who's been socialist/communist for years now it is sooooo funny when people claim any democrat is let alone joe biden. something commonly said amongst us is "i want (to vote for) the joe biden republicans think he is".
also, good on you for growing politically and being open about it, it's always heartwarming to see.
The right slandered Barack Obama for his entire eight years as a "damn socialist", especially about the Affordable Care Act, even though it's simply just human nature to want everyone to have access to healthcare. It's empathy. (Which I would argue conservatives lack) There were even Republicans who said Bill Clinton was a socialist, which my God, shows how out-of-touch the Republican Party really is. They tried, with people like former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and insane commentator Dinesh D'Souza (who, quite frankly, I think should be spat in his face), to tie Bill Clinton's wife, Hillary, along with Obama, to Saul Alinsky, and make it seem like that made Hillary and Obama socialists and/or communists, even though they're clearly not, and it's debatable at best whether or not Alinsky was. Just because Saul Alinsky was a community organizer (of a grassroots bent) doesn't make him a socialist. Hell, it's why I admire him.
I find this rather interesting. I acknowledge that as technology moves on, we don’t need these manufacturing jobs or mining jobs. However, stuff like this need to phase out, not abruptly end. One thing I appreciated about Trump that I criticized Obama for was that he re-opened the coal mines Obama closed. Once renewable energy really starts to kick in after decades of phasing in, demand for coal will be drastically down, giving us no reason to have the mines open. But it’s still years away for that to happen, and abrupt changes are not a good way to solve problems.
I would still blame Nixon on this if we had to pick someone who’s ultimately responsible for dividing us. As for how it got worse under Obama, I wouldn’t completely vilify the Republicans. We stuck to a bubble of compromise for a while, but when Obama became president, he popped that bubble so he could enforce his radical ideas that draw a lot of fierce opposition. But yes, the Tea Party did make things worse. Either way, it definitely got worse when Trump became president. It’s like throwing gunpowder or gasoline as an attempt to put out a forest fire.
It’s kinda interesting that even in today’s society where polarization is at Civil War-level, there are many ideas from both sides that an overwhelming majority will not support. Take for instance, the general populace is not going to take overturning Roe v Wade too kindly, but even they don’t think abortion should go completely unregulated. However, those with the loudest voices are the radicals. People have to learn how to compromise.
Obama was a radical? I find that assertion ridiculous-Barack Obama was quite moderate, I quite think he was not left-leaning enough in many ways and would likely be a part of many European conservative parties.
Also, I'm sorry, but coal not only is numbered in how much longer it can be used, but also, of all nonrenewable resources, it's one of the most heavily polluting-and in light of climate change, we do not need that.
The problem is, even if you don't support all he does, you still support him getting into a position where he is relatively free to do all those things.
You can claim you really don't want people to get injured, but that's precisely what's going to happen if you give a set of knives to someone who has a habit of throwing them around carelessly. And even if you were somehow not aware of this, when the person who got the knives had them for a few years and it turns out they really love to throw them at people they don't like, that's when you say "ok, they can't handle knives responsibly, time to take them away." Instead, supporters say "I really don't like people getting hurt and I don't agree with throwing knives at them, but I still think it's ok that the person who has proven to enjoy throwing knives at people is in charge of the knives because they also cut onions with them."
The problem is, even if you don't support all he does, you still support him getting into a position where he is relatively free to do all those things.
You can claim you really don't want people to get injured, but that's precisely what's going to happen if you give a set of knives to someone who has a habit of throwing them around carelessly. And even if you were somehow not aware of this, when the person who got the knives had them for a few years and it turns out they really love to throw them at people they don't like, that's when you say "ok, they can't handle knives responsibly, time to take them away." Instead, supporters say "I really don't like people getting hurt and I don't agree with throwing knives at them, but I still think it's ok that the person who has proven to enjoy throwing knives at people is in charge of the knives because they also cut onions with them."
It's like saying that you trust someone who is very visibly drunk to drive you-you don't do it. It's the type of mistake that got Princess Diana killed.
I haven't heard anything about it, I just saw people on fb being like "oh Biden isnt actually the president yet, the electoral college isn't voting til december" and I got super confused.
I haven't heard anything about it, I just saw people on fb being like "oh Biden isnt actually the president yet, the electoral college isn't voting til december" and I got super confused.
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I haven't heard anything about it, I just saw people on fb being like "oh Biden isnt actually the president yet, the electoral college isn't voting til december" and I got super confused.
That is actually true. I remember back in 2016, the electoral college wouldn’t vote until December. Donald Trump can still sue the electoral college to get faithless electors to turn away from Biden, but that’s going to result in karma. Hillary tried doing this to Trump in 2016, as it resulted in him losing two electoral votes. What happened after? Hillary lost five electoral votes. So Biden is still going to win.
TFW someone says they could never support the awful things Trump did but say nothing about said things for the entire 4 years... or deflect to something a democrat said or did, who knows
Maybe I’m missing something, but when you vote for a candidate, you’re supporting that candidate thick and thin. Either way, I’m never going to forget the people that voted for Trump. I can disagree with someone politically, but if you voted for him then you don’t get the right to say “man I NEVER liked trump, I just supported him for xyz...”
Going to be a whole lot of that justification in the next few years, and I’m looking forward to correcting my high school classmates on Twitter. Probably the last thing I have to say about the election on this website.
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That is actually true. I remember back in 2016, the electoral college wouldn’t vote until December. Donald Trump can still sue the electoral college to get faithless electors to turn away from Biden, but that’s going to result in karma. Hillary tried doing this to Trump in 2016, as it resulted in him losing two electoral votes. What happened after? Hillary lost five electoral votes. So Biden is still going to win.
how have I literally never heard of this before? Should I be right to assume that Biden will gain the presidency? now I'm terrified that, somehow, Trump is gonna keep it.
how have I literally never heard of this before? Should I be right to assume that Biden will gain the presidency? now I'm terrified that, somehow, Trump is gonna keep it.
I don’t think he could. In most states, electors that choose anybody but the winner of that state would face consequences. And I don’t think Biden is one of those people electors would refuse to vote for.
