But if someone 'writing out their frustration' involves spreading hatred for an entire group, it's not really any better than someone spewing any other kind of bigotry. Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if you concede that homophobia is worse than heterophobia, or misogyny is worse than misandry, you can still see that both are bad things, and it's right to call it out, the same way you'd call out someone throwing around offensive words like f*ggot.
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But if someone 'writing out their frustration' involves spreading hatred for an entire group, it's not really any better than someone spewing any other kind of bigotry. Two wrongs don't make a right. Even if you concede that homophobia is worse than heterophobia, or misogyny is worse than misandry, you can still see that both are bad things, and it's right to call it out, the same way you'd call out someone throwing around offensive words like f*ggot.
i dont really go to that site and haven't come across that many but no they can't be oppressed, it's just saying that they can't be as harassed by non-cis people is wrong, cause there are parts that can be as toxic. there are diff's between oppression and harassment just saying.
and yeah we have all the right to be angry if they behave like asshats, not saying anything against it.
(also if anyone wonders why the hell im posting here i consider myself agender so yah)
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yea both are bad things (even tho transphobia is way worse) and maybe i shouldn't have written what i wrote and if anyone got sad or something i apologize, i didn't actually mean that anyone should die i'm jsut a bit morbid and alos bad at being nice
i still think it is ridiculous when cis ppl get offended by that kind of stuff but it's whatever i guess
well i don't get offended but denying one or the other is as bad... even though ofc there needs to be heard that we are not as privileged and need changes on many plans.
i feel your morbid bad stuff i just thought you sounded a bit ambivalent that's it
Oppression and "phobia" are not necessarily the same thing. Obviously cis people aren't oppressed because of their gender identity, and obviously some cis people are extremely transphobic, but that doesn't give anyone the right to hate on an entire group of people based on the actions of some of them. I do understand your feelings of being fed up with all the hate you and others (myself included) get for our gender identities, believe me, I do. But taking it out on an entire group of people, for -get this- their gender identities, is not acceptable. Transphobia is the problem, cis people are not the problem.
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just because someone is cis doesn't mean they don't have any problems like this. Some cis people aren't straight, some cis people are victims of racism, some cis people are victims of sexual assault, some cis people are homeless, I could go on forever. Just because they don't have to deal with the same things we have to deal with, doesn't mean they have zero problems.
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This.
You can be gay/lesbian/bi and still be cis, you can still be racially discriminated against even if you're cis. You can be discriminated by your gender, too...even if you're cis. Considering cis refers solely to gender. Even cishet people are still exposed to discrimination. People have blown cisgender way out the water. It doesn't mean you're straight, white, male or female and living in an ivory tower. It literally just means you're happy with your gender matching your sex...
Considering the other many things a person can be, I don't think it's fair to judge cis people in the same way I don't think it's fair to judge anyone else.
Considering the other many things a person can be, I don't think it's fair to judge cis people in the same way I don't think it's fair to judge anyone else.
We're all human. Excusing the derogatory behaviour of a group of people just because the folks their taking digs at "have it better than them" is unacceptable and is going toward the completely wrong direction.
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do people still actually make jokes abt cishet people
at this point i dont care thats so 2013 tumblr and soooo lame
perhaps ive become desensitized to everything because honestly people telling me to die doesnt even affect me anymore. i get rape and murder threats too but im too tired to care at this point
im actually too tired to even care about whatever cishet people are doing i honestly dont give a **** anymore
just dont bother me about **** and were cool. thats it.
i guess some people make jokes about cis ppl to vent but honestly? its so lame. its not even funny. i dont think it's inherently oppressive or something, just boring and overdone.
at the end of the day, none of this matters. people are still dying. your internet arguments mean nothing and will change nothing.
sj blogs who argue with ppl all the time? they dont matter. neither do anti sj blogs that argue all the time.
im honestly tired of these politics in the community in general. i dont care. i cant give a **** about any of this anymore.
the only thing i care about is working for safety for transgender/lgb people. im working with my schools GSA to start a fundraiser and to donate it to a local housing group for LGBT teens
but all this arguing about cisphobia or whatever? who gives a ****. i dont give a ****. cis jokes are unfunny but arguing about them seems so pointless to me
like why are we even arguing about this ****?? who ****ing cares? who even has that much energy to care to debate if cisphobia is okay or not
like i dont know how people on both sides can spend their time arguing about this. its literally so pointless.
i guess this is the internet so idk what i expected but..
i wish we cared about more important **** and devoted our energy to actual causes instead of ****ing making corny ass jokes on the internet or arguing about corny ass jokes
at this point i dont care thats so 2013 tumblr and soooo lame
perhaps ive become desensitized to everything because honestly people telling me to die doesnt even affect me anymore. i get rape and murder threats too but im too tired to care at this point
im actually too tired to even care about whatever cishet people are doing i honestly dont give a **** anymore
just dont bother me about **** and were cool. thats it.
i guess some people make jokes about cis ppl to vent but honestly? its so lame. its not even funny. i dont think it's inherently oppressive or something, just boring and overdone.
at the end of the day, none of this matters. people are still dying. your internet arguments mean nothing and will change nothing.
sj blogs who argue with ppl all the time? they dont matter. neither do anti sj blogs that argue all the time.
im honestly tired of these politics in the community in general. i dont care. i cant give a **** about any of this anymore.
the only thing i care about is working for safety for transgender/lgb people. im working with my schools GSA to start a fundraiser and to donate it to a local housing group for LGBT teens
but all this arguing about cisphobia or whatever? who gives a ****. i dont give a ****. cis jokes are unfunny but arguing about them seems so pointless to me
like why are we even arguing about this ****?? who ****ing cares? who even has that much energy to care to debate if cisphobia is okay or not
like i dont know how people on both sides can spend their time arguing about this. its literally so pointless.
i guess this is the internet so idk what i expected but..
i wish we cared about more important **** and devoted our energy to actual causes instead of ****ing making corny ass jokes on the internet or arguing about corny ass jokes
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Well of course oppression =/= hatred, harassment or whatever term you prefer but phobia still exist towards one another. There are good and bad people in every camp even if us/them has different views on it. Also there are difference in the reasons why they are hatred and/or racist be whatever reason they might have. And some people/communities can be as sneering towards cis.
If they hate/being phobic on us cause we are different/lgbt+/etc. yes then it's wrong and it needs to be done stuff about it and we are oppressed, but doesn't mean us are angels either.
Well regarding racism that can be as common in either of the camps as well.
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Yes, so much. There probably people from both sides being as heinous even if one is more or less common.
If they hate/being phobic on us cause we are different/lgbt+/etc. yes then it's wrong and it needs to be done stuff about it and we are oppressed, but doesn't mean us are angels either.
Well regarding racism that can be as common in either of the camps as well.
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Yes, so much. There probably people from both sides being as heinous even if one is more or less common.
When did I say I didn't care about transphobia? I said I don't care about cisphobia or if its ethical or not. No one is dying from cisphobia and its mostly contained to a couple hundred teenagers on tumblr making jokes. Unless your parents are "cisphobic" and detain you for being cis, I honestly cannot give a ****. Just ignore them or move on. Nothing will change their minds.
????? I didn't say you didn't care about transphobia, I was referring to the multiple times you said you didn't care about this argument. My point is that fighting hate with more hate is not doing anything to help us, and I care about that. That's all.
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you can blame AVEN for that
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what even is aven
all i've heard about them has been bad stuff?? isn't it some asexuality thing?? and what do they do that makes everyone hate them :<
all i've heard about them has been bad stuff?? isn't it some asexuality thing?? and what do they do that makes everyone hate them :<
I blame anything that's on tumblr but I can't disrespect tumblr cause I'll be swarm by sjw
theyre the ones who started the "people who have sex are privileged over asexuals" and the "lesbians and gays are privileged over bisexuals" bull****
that and they have no idea how sexuality can tie into race lol (ex black women are highly sexualized)
they call hypersexual people braindead sluts. and ignore hypersexuality usually forms from sexual abuse
theyre a bunch of ****ing losers basically. they want to use LGBT spaces while driving out pretty much everyone else.
eh a lot of tumblr sj side disagrees with bull**** like demisexuality. im one of thrm and many of my friends/mutuals think its bull****
ace tumblr is annoying as **** though. i refuse to identify as asexual anymore just because of how stupid they act.
they completely ignore how AIDS destroyed gay communities and shame lesbian and gay men for having sex
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Pretty sure the issue arises when people go to voice their personal feelings publicly and people take opinion and emotions as fact.
Basically tumblr LGBTQA+ communities are full of hate. It'll never end because if you even dare to question them you'll be bombarded with people screeching at you and spamming sarcastic text faces and s**t. Even if you are LGBTQA+ they'll just assume you're straight and cis. But that's another story.
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This.. is why I don't even go near tumblr and those communities. And this is why I posted about those kinda of "communities" can be as sneery and while not maybe all the criteria that apply to phobic they are judging and harassing and making comments about you being fake an all that ****.
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Also they sure exist outside tumblr and IRL, it was just an example considering the discussion above.
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