LGBTQA - Discussion and support.

[tae]

cisphobia doesnt exist
men can be harassed and abused. but they don't get oppressed by society.


ik it's pointless lmao
but i'm not doing the same thing tho, that's the thing

my hate isn't supported by society
it is not structural or whatever it's called. sure it's bad of me to say that cis ppl suck since it's rude to tell someone that they suck. but it's not "cisphobic" or the same thing??

i say that cis people suck because i'm tired of being treated like crap for being trans by cis people. i kinda have a reason, ad it's actually ok for me to be angry at people who are oppressing me. it's not productive and it doesn't change anything, but i am totally allowed to lmao.

an ignorant and bigoted trans person is just as offensive and dumb as a bigoted cis person.
i see you the same. you're hating someone for their identity. it's the same. i don't care what you say, your argument is invalid dude.

you're hating people because they're cis, not because they're a genuinely crummy person.

this is why the younger lgbtqa+ community irks so terribly.
you can be trans and not hate cis people.
you can be trans and not hate cis people.
you can be trans and not hate cis people.
you can be trans and hate the rude and terrible things people have done to you for being trans, but that doesn't entail hating all cis people. that's just c h i l d i s h.

 

[Alienfish]

sorry if it seems like i have a bad attitude and brush it off. idk what to really change bc i'm kind of bad at that stuff but i get what u mean i think

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pls give me examples of cisphobia being real

yeah i get it, was just a bit of strange way to end it after all that speech imo.

well i kinda did and so you as well. you seemed a bit poisonous there.

 

[Gregriii]

sorry if it seems like i have a bad attitude and brush it off. idk what to really change bc i'm kind of bad at that stuff but i get what u mean i think

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pls give me examples of cisphobia being real

just read your comments

cisphobia everywhere
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[Sleepi]

pls give me examples of cisphobia being real

when there was a flood of tumblr posts saying 'die cis scum'.

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to be honest, I wish everyone would just get along and accept each other. my theory on the whole thing is people should keep their noses out of each others business, people who are transphobic (or homophobic, etc) are literal scum, but cisphobia isn't any better. Imo it's completely understandable to be angry at people that oppress you, because being ace it's happened to me before (people being invalidating to me) but that is beside the point.

I don't want to start an argument here, but i'm just stating my view on things o:

TL: DR; you can't change who you are, and cis people can't either. now lets be friends and stop the hate. transphobic and homophobic, and other people that hate others are literal scum. the end.

 

[Shimmer]

loads of cis people face millions of consequences throughout their lives, just like any non-binary human being would..frustrated or not, wishing death upon anyone is pretty messed up, regardless if you find it to be "a joke" or something you say out of frustration. wishing death upon someone bares a lot of consequences too and that has nothing to do with how you identify.

it drives me crazy when people on the lgbtqa+ community throw blatant hate towards anyone of cis identity. yeah lots of people aren't going to accept us for who we are and that's absolutely horrible, but defining every cis person as "ew" and terrible is like saying all Muslims are terrorists. it's rude, it's inaccurate and quite frankly, it's just incredibly childish.



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be angry all you want, you can do that. but getting angry at hate, and returning it with even more hate is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline. you're not going anywhere, and you're making it worse for yourself.

THANK. YOU.

I hate all this cis hate that's thrown around. It just makes those people giant hypocrites and it's no wonder nobody will take what they say seriously.

 

[visibleghost]

also it's another thing of getting harassed and being abused... of course cis people can, some communities can be very nasty towards cis people because they think they are being ****ty. Like, well a lot of cases are but doesn't mean they are all angels and ice-cream

yea of course cis ppl can be harassed by trans people but they cant actually be oppressed?
i think that those cis ppl jokes on tumblr (if that's the kind of stuff you mean) can be kind of unnecessary, but getting upset over that is kind of... ridiculous? yeah, people are allowed to be upset but like.... why would they be upset. they have so much privelege so why does it bother them that some trans people say that they're tired of cis people. especially if you know that you're not transphobic since those are kind of the people we mean..??
it's not really productive to be angry about cis people but ya i still am

 

[Alienfish]

an ignorant and bigoted trans person is just as offensive and dumb as a bigoted cis person.
i see you the same. you're hating someone for their identity. it's the same. i don't care what you say, your argument is invalid dude.

you're hating people because they're cis, not because they're a genuinely crummy person.

this. sure they might have more privileges and we need to get rid of oppression but tbh doesn't entitle us to be as toxic cause they won't really learn that way either.

 

[visibleghost]

when there was a flood of tumblr posts saying 'die cis scum'.

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to be honest, I wish everyone would just get along and accept each other. my theory on the whole thing is people should keep their noses out of each others business, people who are transphobic (or homophobic, etc) are literal scum, but cisphobia isn't any better. Imo it's completely understandable to be angry at people that oppress you, because being ace it's happened to me before (people being invalidating to me) but that is beside the point.

I don't want to start an argument here, but i'm just stating my view on things o:

are you cis? do you personally get offended by seeing die cis scum memes?

 

[Sleepi]

are you cis? do you personally get offended by seeing die cis scum memes?

demigirl, actually.

no I don't, I just find it exceedingly ignorant and childish and there is absolutely no need for it. like there is absolutely no need for transphobia, or homophobia (excuse me on this, I know there are more but I can't think of them at this minute. i'm really forgetful)

 

[visibleghost]

demigirl, actually. no I don't, I just find it exceedingly ignorant and childish.

ye it's childish
doesn't mean it's cisphobic

 

[tae]

are you cis? do you personally get offended by seeing die cis scum memes?

i'm ****ing trans and i get annoyed when children of my community tell anyone to die.
especially because they're cis gender. you can talk big all you want and hate every cis person, but i will not ever feel sorry for you for feeling alienated for being trans when you're a hateful bigot.

 

[Sleepi]

ye it's childish
doesn't mean it's cisphobic

but if it were the other way around and they were saying

die trans scum (etc, sorry for writing this. I hated writing this)

that would be transphobia. so telling cis people to go and die, is that not cisphobia?

 

[visibleghost]

an ignorant and bigoted trans person is just as offensive and dumb as a bigoted cis person.
i see you the same. you're hating someone for their identity. it's the same. i don't care what you say, your argument is invalid dude.

you're hating people because they're cis, not because they're a genuinely crummy person.

this is why the younger lgbtqa+ community irks so terribly.
you can be trans and not hate cis people.
you can be trans and not hate cis people.
you can be trans and not hate cis people.
you can be trans and hate the rude and terrible things people have done to you for being trans, but that doesn't entail hating all cis people. that's just c h i l d i s h.

did you not read what i wrote lmao
i don't hate every individual cis person
i am trans and i don't actually hate cis people
sometimes i get so tired of constantly being hated for my gender identity
and then i might say "yo i hate cis people". even tho it's childish, unproductive and all that stuff

still not as bad tho

 

[Gregriii]

are you cis? do you personally get offended by seeing die cis scum memes?

I know that u didn't ask me BUUUUT

that's the same as asking someone homo if they get offended by homophobic memes

If u are straight or homo you can get hated

but it's you decision to get offended or not

also I'm cis but I would be VERY offended if a bunch of trans started to call me "weirdo" and harass me

 

[tae]

ye it's childish
doesn't mean it's cisphobic

you're childish and one day i hope you grow up and stop shaming the trans community.
we get enough hate and trouble without people stirring up even more hate where it's not needed.

 

[visibleghost]

but if it were the other way around and they were saying

die trans scum (etc, sorry for writing this. I hated writing this)

that would be transphobia. so telling cis people to go and die, is that not cisphobia?

yeah it would be. but it is not the other way around, and that's kind of the thing. trans people don't have the same power or privelege in society. yes, it might seem like the same thing if someone on tumblr writes "die cis scum" and if someone on tumblr writes "die trans scum but if u kinda put it in perspective with like irl stuff?? you can't really compare it?? in my opinion?? like it's kind of hard to explain, i've seen sooo much great stuff being written about it but uh basICALLyyyy it's just rly different ;;;;;

 

[tae]

yeah it would be. but it is not the other way around, and that's kind of the thing. trans people don't have the same power or privelege in society. yes, it might seem like the same thing if someone on tumblr writes "die cis scum" and if someone on tumblr writes "die trans scum but if u kinda put it in perspective with like irl stuff?? you can't really compare it?? in my opinion?? like it's kind of hard to explain, i've seen sooo much great stuff being written about it but uh basICALLyyyy it's just rly different ;;;;;

phobia has absolutely nothing to do with oppression. nothing.
cisphobia exists just as much as homophobia or transphobia does.

you cannot say one exits and the other does not.
that's like saying the ghost in my house exits but the ghost in your house does not because i say so.

 

[visibleghost]

I know that u didn't ask me BUUUUT

that's the same as asking someone homo if they get offended by homophobic memes

If u are straight or homo you can get hated

but it's you decision to get offended or not

also I'm cis but I would be VERY offended if a bunch of trans started to call me "weirdo" and harass me

it's not the same thing. first of all, straights dont get "hate" outside tumblr. gay ppl get killed, fired, thrown out of their homes, bullied, abused etc. sure, it's never okay to write rude stuff to people, no matter what happens to your community

if someone sent you a private message saying "hey cis scum, go die!!" that would be horrible, obviously.
but it's not really the same thing when a random trans person online writes out their frustration with cis people?? idk i'm confusing rn but aaa

 

[tae]

it's not the same thing. first of all, straights dont get "hate" outside tumblr. gay ppl get killed, fired, thrown out of their homes, bullied, abused etc. sure, it's never okay to write rude stuff to people, no matter what happens to your community

if someone sent you a private message saying "hey cis scum, go die!!" that would be horrible, obviously.
but it's not really the same thing when a random trans person online writes out their frustration with cis people?? idk i'm confusing rn but aaa

you're not confusing, you're counterproductive and hateful, uneducated and running around in a circle making no sense towards this discussion. you can't invalidate one sense of hate in response to another form of hate.


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straight people face of ALL kinds outside of tumblr. please just go back to tumblr and stop talking. this is just sad.

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just because you're trans doens't give you immunity from being a cisphobic or bigoted brat.

 

[Shimmer]

it's not the same thing. first of all, straights dont get "hate" outside tumblr. gay ppl get killed, fired, thrown out of their homes, bullied, abused etc. sure, it's never okay to write rude stuff to people, no matter what happens to your community

if someone sent you a private message saying "hey cis scum, go die!!" that would be horrible, obviously.
but it's not really the same thing when a random trans person online writes out their frustration with cis people?? idk i'm confusing rn but aaa

So if a random cis person online writes out their frustration with trans people, you would not be offended? It is literally the same thing. Someone spewing hate towards another person (or, people in this case).