LGBTQA - Discussion and support.

[bittermeat]

The actual people who belong in this thread don't care if you don't support gay marriage. Eventually, gay marriage is going to be legal in many more places. The world changes, you either choose to adapt to it or you can stay stuck in your traditional idealisms. Whine about it all you want. No one cares.

 

[RedNoverian]

@oathtoorder

Why? I'm merely responding to the stuff he says.

I guess I'm becoming the "Angry Queer".

 

[Jas0n]

Yes actually. The first time I dated a guy it was pretty strange as well (not in a bad way) My first relationship was with a woman and I wanted to spice things up a bit LOL. It was definitely different though. I was more used to an "equal" aspect of things and wasn't used to the opening doors, pulling out chairs, paying for dinners etc. I also found when it came to intimacy I was a lot more self conscious with a guy...

Yes exactly! With a girl I'm much more protective and attentive whereas, while I'd like to hold similar roles with a guy, things are compromised to much more equal standings.

I've also noticed that what attracts me to a girl and what attracts me to a guy are completely different. Obviously in a physical aspect but in a personality aspect also.

 

[oath2order]

I've also noticed that what attracts me to a girl and what attracts me to a guy are completely different. Obviously in a physical aspect but in a personality aspect also.

Really? Can you explain on this? I'm a little curious about this.

 

[Terabyte]

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[Bambi]

Yes exactly! With a girl I'm much more protective and attentive whereas, while I'd like to hold similar roles with a guy, things are compromised to much more equal standings.

I've also noticed that what attracts me to a girl and what attracts me to a guy are completely different. Obviously in a physical aspect but in a personality aspect also.

Me also! I find I care a lot less about personality with women than with men. I HAVE to be with "Nice" guys. But am oh so totally attracted to "bad" girls.

 

[Prof Gallows]

I'm sorry you don't agree with my opinions. That's a perfect reason to get banned.

I don't care what your opinions are.
All I care about is that you're coming in here and causing problems. So it'd be smart to stop.

 

[Jas0n]

Really? Can you explain on this? I'm a little curious about this.

Well as for initial attraction I think I first notice a girl's personality over her looks, whereas it's opposite with a guy. Similar opposites with personalities. I'm quite the fan of innocent girls but I tend to seek out more strong-willed guys. I quite like to be the "rock" in a relationship with a girl but while in a relationship with a guy I quite like that role being bent sometimes.

These aren't set in stone, I've noticed cases where I've been attracted to somebody who doesn't fit into these standards.

Generally it's kind of hard to explain though, there's kind of a "feeling" where it's just different nuances that attract me to a guy or a girl.

 

[RedNoverian]

^ I have a similar situation.

For guys, I first notice if he's hot/cute or not. For girls, I notice if she simultaneously has a good personality and good looks.

This is why I don't like being called "gay". I've only dated guys, but I've definitely had crushes and sexual attraction to all gender variations (despite the preference toward men).

 

[bittermeat]

Cool, I'm not the only one.

I tend to like guys based on their cuteness, looks, and manliness. For some reason with men, personality is one of the last things I think about, which sounds like really bad. Haha. I haven't been in a relationship with a guy before, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the dominant one (lol). When I do like girls, personality is just as important as looks. How a girl holds herself and her attitude are what attracts me. It's more of an emotional thing. When in a relationship with a girl, I feel like I have to be the stereotypical, dominant guy, even though I see men and women in relationships as complete equals.

 

[g u a v a]

I've been looking at this thread for a while now but I've felt a bit terrified about posting in it. I've been on other forums where people got treated quite horribly for having anything to do with gay culture in general. From the looks of it everyone's pretty cool about it here and that's what made me decide to finally post. (Kind of ironic that a couple pages back there was a whole Christian vs. Gay argument.) But anyway.

It's been helpful to me to read a lot of these posts because I myself am going through a strange time in my life where I'm questioning a lot of what I knew about myself. Anyway ^_^;; just wanted to say a little thanks for everyone brave enough to share their situation. It's been extremely helpful for others to know that they're not alone.

 

[Solar]

I've been looking at this thread for a while now but I've felt a bit terrified about posting in it. I've been on other forums where people got treated quite horribly for having anything to do with gay culture in general. From the looks of it everyone's pretty cool about it here and that's what made me decide to finally post. (Kind of ironic that a couple pages back there was a whole Christian vs. Gay argument.) But anyway.

It's been helpful to me to read a lot of these posts because I myself am going through a strange time in my life where I'm questioning a lot of what I knew about myself. Anyway ^_^;; just wanted to say a little thanks for everyone brave enough to share their situation. It's been extremely helpful for others to know that they're not alone.

I'm also at that awkward time, so let's go through it together ! I'm having some sexuality troubles too. I just don't know whether I'm gay, straight, or bi, or asexual. I just sorta don't know where to go from here though. I'm also glad that religious debate is over. It was uncalled for really. But yeah, i is a confuzzled person.

 

[Jas0n]

I've been looking at this thread for a while now but I've felt a bit terrified about posting in it. I've been on other forums where people got treated quite horribly for having anything to do with gay culture in general. From the looks of it everyone's pretty cool about it here and that's what made me decide to finally post. (Kind of ironic that a couple pages back there was a whole Christian vs. Gay argument.) But anyway.

It's been helpful to me to read a lot of these posts because I myself am going through a strange time in my life where I'm questioning a lot of what I knew about myself. Anyway ^_^;; just wanted to say a little thanks for everyone brave enough to share their situation. It's been extremely helpful for others to know that they're not alone.

Welcome! No need to feel terrified about posting. Just sorry you had to walk into the thread amongst the debate!

It's awesome that the thread helped you. If I could offer any advice it'd be not to worry too much about answering those questions you have about yourself. There's no rush or indeed any need to define yourself so just live life and let whatever happens, happen.

 

[Elijo]

I have never dated anyone either boy or girl but I support gay marriage. Why do you say? Because people shouldn't judge others by sexuality preferance, that is just rude. Everyone should have the right to marry whoever they desire, doesn't matter what gender.

I've been looking at this thread for a while now but I've felt a bit terrified about posting in it.

I felt the same way Leaf.
-Kuma-

 

[Chris]

I'm also at that awkward time, so let's go through it together ! I'm having some sexuality troubles too. I just don't know whether I'm gay, straight, or bi, or asexual. I just sorta don't know where to go from here though. I'm also glad that religious debate is over. It was uncalled for really. But yeah, i is a confuzzled person.

I get the impression that many people go through that stage where they're generally unsure - whether or not they find the courage to talk about it. I certainly did.

My first real crush was on another girl when we were 13. I liked her for years. But that's not what society expects of us, is it? Especially when you live in a small town. I had no one I could talk to about it: the only gay person at my school who was 'out' was being beaten up daily until his mother took him out of school. So when I started dating (age 15) I went out with gents and just tried to ignore my feelings for her. Then, when we were 17, I decided to stop ignoring it and finally tell that girl how I felt. She didn't believe me; she seemed to think I was just trying to play a mind game with her when really I was laying everything out on the table. That hurt so bad. Even then that was the more innocent sort of attraction - romance, rather than lust.

It took me until I was 20 to be absolutely certain of my sexuality (which I explained here a few pages back, but the religious debate kicked off around the same time).

 

[Cranky Squirrel]

I do believe that it is a choice, because I have proof that is related to me. I do think that people could change it with the help of Christ. I don't think you can compare being black to being homosexual. That does not make sense to me at all. Being black is how one is born, and they can't help it. Being black is not a sin, as to where, being homosexual is. It says in the Bible, "Man shall not lay with another man as he does a women." And that means being homosexual is not allowed. Being black IS allowed. It simply does not compair. As I said before, I'm sorry if I sound rude, and I am not looking to get bashed, or have an argument.

I assure you that I was born gay. It wasn't a choice--and even if it was, it was my choice to make. There are plenty of us who are atheists and find the entire notion of sin to be quite silly. I am not a sinner; I do not accept the concept. I don't need any help from your imaginary friend. If you get to pull the Christ card, I should be able to call you on it without being censored.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Well you're not me, and apparently you don't know how it is to be a Christian. We go through more hate then gay people. It takes a lot to still love the people who hate us, but we still do it. I'm sure you don't get this kind of hate being homosexual. I'm like the only one here who doesn't support it. I can still not support it while loving you. If my sister turned out to be a serial killer, I'd still love her. I wouldn't love her sin, but I'd love her as a person.

Seriously? You can cry persecution when gay people abuse their governmental and social power to outlaw your relationships. Until then there is no parity and no reason to act like a martyr. I get it that you think you're being nice, but it seems you think there is a common ground where we all think the concept of sin makes sense and that everyone can at least agree about sins (you can love the sinner and not the sin). I do not accept the concept of sin. It's a religious concept relevant only to people who accept the teachings of the religions who preach it. I am not a Christian and I refuse to be judged by its dogmas and doctrines.

 

[RedNoverian]

So, apparently in Kingston, Canada some local queer people have been receiving threatening letters. They are being asked to leave under the guise of Jesus and threaten to use violence if they don't peacefully cooperate. I found pictures of these letters on Tumblr and I can't find a proper news source. I did find out Kingston is not doing so well in general: http://www.thewhig.com/2012/06/28/gay-couple-feel-targeted

This is Canada, supposedly the promised land for queer people. It's still rife with violence and discrimination. If you even think for a minute that Christians receive anywhere near as much persecution in North America then I have no respect for you.

 

[NinjanaMin]

Im personally hetro but LGBTQA rights is really important to me, I think everyone deserves to feel comfortable in their own skin.
The world is a horrid place really, no one seems to focus on their lives and seem to prefer condemning others for the way they live.... I think deep down we all know who we are and who has the right to condemn us for being true to ourselves?!?
Knowing that the world is slowly changing in favour of equal rights for all gives me enough strength to get up in the morning!
I actually took a vow to not get married until everyone, no matter of circumstances or orientation has the right to do so!!

 

[Bambi]

I actually took a vow to not get married until everyone, no matter of circumstances or orientation has the right to do so!!

I love this idea!!!!

 

[Sporge27]

Don't hold back your own marriage if you can get married and have the right person to marry. It is unlikely within your lifetime that everyone can get legally married everywhere in the world... may be in the USA but not some places.

That said marriage really should not have been a government issue. It is really originally a religious one. That said we do have freedom of religion and some religions are accepting. I mean there are churches with rainbow signs of support where I live.