LGBTQA - Discussion and support.

[Bambi]

He still gets them every month and uses them as emergency puppy pads for the dogs.

HAHAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS!!!

Those pictures are ridiculous. Those girls need to find something better to do with their time. Of course we all wouldn't be here without a man and a woman but guess what.... Think of how many children who are in need of homes are adopted by gay couples. Since we are already here we need to be free to choose how we live our lives. Who's ****ing business is it who we love/marry? Definitely shouldn't be the governments business. Or those girls pictured above.

"We as young people need parents for so many things"

DUH. Guess what, having two dads or two moms still means you have parents. How many single moms and dads are out there? Especially single moms or dads who were in a relationship with someone who was gay and had to break up when they finally came out. Instead of making it a big deal in the first place isn't it better to be able BE WHO YOU ARE right from the beginning!!!

"Cause its the right thing, I can't see myself being with a woman. Ewwwww."

So then don't be with a woman! Just because you can't see yourself being with a woman doesn't mean other people can't. No woman wants you anyways.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/18/peds.2013-0376.abstract

 

[Officer Berri]

Man I facepalmed so hard at those things they wrote. I had to read the first one a few times to understand what it was saying though. ._.

Drives me up the wall when I hear the "it's a sin therefore the government shouldn't set up laws giving gay marriage the same rights as other marriages!" argument. Separation of Church and State exists, people. Marriage is only religious when you have the ceremony in a church. Marriage in the eyes of the law is simply a legal status that gives a couple rights when it comes to their money, taxes, hospital visitations and other such things. You can have a marriage without a church, but you can't have a church marriage without singing papers to have that marriage viewed as official in the eyes of the law.

Guess which one gay couples care about more? They want the rights that straight couples already have. They don't care if your church won't get them married. The big problem for them is that the states will not allow them to sign those papers and be officially married in the eyes of the law, thereby denying them the rights straight married couples enjoy like being able to see their significant other if they're in the hospital!

If you haven't noticed, I'm on the side of equality. >>

 

[Juicebox]

I actually have a friend who was recently adopted by two men. The boy himself is a homosexual, and has basically been living his life as being bounced around from being abused by his real parents, to being either abused or neglected by his foster parents. He somehow ended up living with his fathers, perhaps through the foster system (I don't know how they would allow gay men to be foster parents, because that seems like the kind of stupid thing that would get the bible belt up in arms). But regardless, my friend ended up with them. Even though he is fourteen, the two men still adopted him. They love him unconditionally, and my friend has never been happier in his whole life.

Honestly, how can anyone say that gays are by default the worst parents?

 

[oath2order]

I know, that's such a joke. Same-sex couples actually WANT the children. By default, that makes them good parents.

 

[PapaNer]

Unfortunately, ignorance is a thing and so is bad grammar.

As are poor manners

 

[Schim]

I actually have a friend who was recently adopted by two men. The boy himself is a homosexual, and has basically been living his life as being bounced around from being abused by his real parents, to being either abused or neglected by his foster parents. He somehow ended up living with his fathers, perhaps through the foster system (I don't know how they would allow gay men to be foster parents, because that seems like the kind of stupid thing that would get the bible belt up in arms). But regardless, my friend ended up with them. Even though he is fourteen, the two men still adopted him. They love him unconditionally, and my friend has never been happier in his whole life.

Honestly, how can anyone say that gays are by default the worst parents?

I'm glad to hear that he ended up in a happy home. It's nice to hear stories like that with happy endings.

 

[Octavia]

As are poor manners

I'm guessing you thought the "bad grammar" comment was directed towards you? I'm sorry for not being clear if that's the case. It was meant for those atrocious signs.

 

[oath2order]

Oh dear, let's not have a fight on this thread :/

 

[AmenFashion]

Oh dear, let's not have a fight on this thread :/

It hardly looks like a fight, don't worry.

I never understood people that try to say they need a male and a female to produce kids as an opposition for same sex marriage... I mean, since when does allowing a small percentage of America to get married cancel out all of the male-female couples having children? There's plenty of children being produced, and by couples who don't even want them!

 

[PapaNer]

I'm guessing you thought the "bad grammar" comment was directed towards you? I'm sorry for not being clear if that's the case. It was meant for those atrocious signs.

No no no! I was also commenting about the signs, but I hate having LONG quotes. I was not trying to start a mess

 

[Bambi]

It hardly looks like a fight, don't worry.

I never understood people that try to say they need a male and a female to produce kids as an opposition for same sex marriage... I mean, since when does allowing a small percentage of America to get married cancel out all of the male-female couples having children? There's plenty of children being produced, and by couples who don't even want them!

If anything there are already TOO many children being produced and can't be properly taken care of. Like all the children in foster care etc.

Like we need MORE kids on this planet (not that I don't want one) but come ON. Grown a$$ people who choose to spend their life together deserve AT LEAST to be able to have the same rights as opposite sex couples.

Bottom line is there IS NO ARGUMENT against gay marriage. There just isn't. Anytime I hear any of the arguments, they come across as completely ignorant and uneducated.

 

[Jas0n]

If anything there are already TOO many children being produced and can't be properly taken care of. Like all the children in foster care etc.

Like we need MORE kids on this planet (not that I don't want one) but come ON. Grown a$$ people who choose to spend their life together deserve AT LEAST to be able to have the same rights as opposite sex couples.

Bottom line is there IS NO ARGUMENT against gay marriage. There just isn't. Anytime I hear any of the arguments, they come across as completely ignorant and uneducated.

My argument against gay marriage is just because of the heteronormative standards it's supposed to be abide by to be accepted. I think if it's to be "allowed" gay couples shouldn't have to be within society's view of a "normal gay couple" to be a part of that society. There are plenty of groups that are still being cast out if gay marriage is made legal.

But regardless, I suppose it's a step. I'm just not sure if gay couples abiding by heteronormative standards is a right or a wrong step. Of course, I have nothing against heteronormative gay couples if that's what they truly are but I feel like many are being forced into being society's perfect gay couple to prove themselves so they can be allowed these rights.

 

[Bambi]

My argument against gay marriage is just because of the heteronormative standards it's supposed to be abide by to be accepted. I think if it's to be "allowed" gay couples shouldn't have to be within society's view of a "normal gay couple" to be a part of that society. There are plenty of groups that are still being cast out if gay marriage is made legal.

But regardless, I suppose it's a step. I'm just not sure if gay couples abiding by heteronormative standards is a right or a wrong step. Of course, I have nothing against heteronormative gay couples if that's what they truly are but I feel like many are being forced into being society's perfect gay couple to prove themselves so they can be allowed these rights.

I don't know what you mean by having to be a "normal gay couple?"

 

[Jas0n]

I don't know what you mean by having to be a "normal gay couple?"

Well, take for example a trans male who's with another male. That would still be a gay couple, but it isn't a normal gay couple and therefore not accepted.

Aside from that and on lesser extremes gay couples seem to be expected to abide by "male" and "female" gender roles. One is supposed to be the female in the relationship and the other the male. If both are feminine or masculine it isn't a normal gay couple and therefore not accepted either.

And one that applies to me. I'm a bisexual male, the bisexual identity isn't widely accepted as it is but when you put that into terms of a relationship it's even less accepted. If I wanted to marry another male I would be cast out both by straight people and gay people because it isn't "normal", not abiding heteronormative nor homonormative standards.

 

[Bambi]

But if gay marriage is passed wouldn't it be allowed for a trans male with another male and so on?? Basically I mean to have the same rights as straight married couples. Like even though your bisexual and you marry a guy, the government doesn't know that so I don't see why it wouldn't be accepted. Or two masculine women getting married. It wouldn't be up to the government to pick an choose would it? I mean doesn't marriage equality just mean ok men can marry men, women can marry women and men can marry women.

And whether or not that man marrying a man was once a woman has nothing to do with the fact that it is still a man marrying a man right?

 

[Jas0n]

But if gay marriage is passed wouldn't it be allowed for a trans male with another male and so on?? Basically I mean to have the same rights as straight married couples. Like even though your bisexual and you marry a guy, the government doesn't know that so I don't see why it wouldn't be accepted. Or two masculine women getting married. It wouldn't be up to the government to pick an choose would it? I mean doesn't marriage equality just mean ok men can marry men, women can marry women and men can marry women.

And whether or not that man marrying a man was once a woman has nothing to do with the fact that it is still a man marrying a man right?

But why is gay marriage being passed in the first place? Because gays have proven they can abide by these norms and others are pressured into also abiding by these to be accepted in society. I don't think that's the right way to go about things.

 

[the_bria]

is that why it's being passed? i thought it was because people are starting to realize that if you want to marry the person you love, you should be able to, no matter if it's a same sex relationship or not.

 

[the_bria]

oh, and for those of you saying you don't know any asexuals, i'm asexual. well, a romantic one, as they call it. i like being in relationships, but i don't like the whole sex thing. kissing is fine but anything else is a thanks but no thanks situation for me. lol. at the same time, i also find both men and woman attractive.

 

[Stevey Queen]

But why is gay marriage being passed in the first place? Because gays have proven they can abide by these norms and others are pressured into also abiding by these to be accepted in society. I don't think that's the right way to go about things.

I think you are over thinking the whole thing. Gays just want to get married because they want to get married. There really shouldn't be a law preventing this but there is because for whatever reason nobody can understand that maybe people have different preferences on who they want to love.

 

[Cinnabunnie]

I think you are over thinking the whole thing. Gays just want to get married because they want to get married. There really shouldn't be a law preventing this but there is because for whatever reason nobody can understand that maybe people have different preferences on who they want to love.

I completely agree with you, it's unfair that they should be discriminated against simply because they are following their hearts. It's more than that though, when a marriage isn't recognized by law there are consequences. They don't have access to the basic rights from a legalized marriage, including hospital visitation rights, tax benefits, health coverage, inheritance in case one partner passes away, and much more. So some gay couples aren't fighting for the legalization of gay marriage simply because they want to be recognized, it's a much bigger issue.

I'm not LGBTQA but some of my best friends are, and honestly they are some of the nicest, funniest, awesome people I've ever met. I don't understand why some people have this stigma against LGBTQA, as far as I'm concerned they're as normal as you or the next person are.