Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[Sheep Villager]

We would still have information from Day 2 and be up one town compared to if we were to get it wrong on Day 1 if we voted to elim. Poke prod and inquire Day 1 for sure, but even if Maf gets lucky and removes Det from the game N1 we can still solve from there.

Not vibing with this post, this feels like postponing stuff for the sake of it. If you want to poke and prod d1 but push for a no vote then why would you just not act on what you gain from the poke n prod already on d1. If you're hoping to gain game solving info from the night kill specifically then I'm slightly at a loss on what info there could be to gain from that. Relying on just nk info means relying on whatever pace the wolves choose to give the game.

got it

Do you have any thoughts on anything that has happened so far?

Well, I was thinking sheep seems more town leaning, based on their previous play from town games, and if the inactives will be replaced for d2, I'd vote for either Totally_RandomYT or tae- if I HAD to vote one. No substance, no prodding, no voting. A few pokemon go related posts from the one but that's it.

Right now you seem to be following the same patterns as your last town game. Trent I have no idea. He seems to be poking some now but looking for a real quiet d1 w/ a quick no elim vote....seems like if people went along with it would just help maf hide. But maybe that is just his playstyle.

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African or european swallow? And why not favorite Halloween candy. Anyone who says candy corn gets voted....

Betsy I'm curious why you brought up Tae at this point? In my eyes at least Tae seems to have been doing the prodding you were after. That makes me wonder why you picked Tae over Sidney here? I think you've said you don't think its Sidney but why is that? What was different about Tae and Sidney for you? Also won't quote the post but I'd love to see the reads list you promised.

 

[Sidney]

If you believe it'd help, I don't see why not

sorry for delay, I wanted to double check the rules real quick

Last/first game I played, iirc, i thought it was shawo, but a search shows not, so i guess i remembered that wrong. same thing happened but later- I was suspected in the beginning for posting too much/high effort no real substance/whatever, so i switched it up and contributed when i thought i had something to contribute
This also got me suspected, but I was town in the end after all

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Not vibing with this post, this feels like postponing stuff for the sake of it. If you want to poke and prod d1 but push for a no vote then why would you just not act on what you gain from the poke n prod already on d1. If you're hoping to gain game solving info from the night kill specifically then I'm slightly at a loss on what info there could be to gain from that. Relying on just nk info means relying on whatever pace the wolves choose to give the game.


Do you have any thoughts on anything that has happened so far?



Betsy I'm curious why you brought up Tae at this point? In my eyes at least Tae seems to have been doing the prodding you were after. That makes me wonder why you picked Tae over Sidney here? I think you've said you don't think its Sidney but why is that? What was different about Tae and Sidney for you? Also won't quote the post but I'd love to see the reads list you promised.

Honestly I’m not a huge fan of this push to elim

Didn’t we just work out the math a few posts back that not eliminating tonight would give us more days to solve this? And we have a detective somewhere, too

It almost makes me wonder if the people pushing for an elim off of little to nothing (since that’s all we have right now) are actually the mafia, hoping for an easy kill

 

[Sheep Villager]

Genuinely curious what you mean by silent/filler sheep?

I don’t think I understand how to play day one but i am trying my best

I also don’t really understand what information killing me would net at this point

I’m also trying very hard to contribute, as I said, I don’t see the point in talking much unless I have something I think is of value to contribute and this is my second game ever, so I’m kind of grasping at straws right now with any ideas

Silent = People who don't say much at all.
Filler = People who do talk but only about stuff that doesn't matter to the game. Something like the weather, candy etc.

In general I'd encourage you to post more, even if you're not sure about something or all you have are gut feels. If I know what your thought processes are then I can at least form some sort of opinion on you. I at least find it more wolf-ish to not want to talk about your thoughts than the other way around. Wolves tend to be terrified of making mistakes and that sometimes manifests in refusing to discuss stuff.

Regarding killing you, the information gained would be obviously your alignment and then who voted you and why. Basically just how people acted around you.

 

[Sidney]

Silent = People who don't say much at all.
Filler = People who do talk but only about stuff that doesn't matter to the game. Something like the weather, candy etc.

In general I'd encourage you to post more, even if you're not sure about something or all you have are gut feels. If I know what your thought processes are then I can at least form some sort of opinion on you. I at least find it more wolf-ish to not want to talk about your thoughts than the other way around. Wolves tend to be terrified of making mistakes and that sometimes manifests in refusing to discuss stuff.

Regarding killing you, the information gained would be obviously your alignment and then who voted you and why. Basically just how people acted around you.

Interesting

Personally, my thought process has been as above; Too much talking = up for elim when I’m just trying to solve as does the reverse

I’m generally just an anxious person/unsure of my own opinions, outside of the game as well and prefer to contribute when I have something I feel is worth saying

I worry my gut opinions would send us down rabbit holes or backfire and get us to elim a townie instead of a mafia

 

[Trent the Paladin]

I would say shawo.

It is entirely possible it was of honest intent to target me…however, in my opinion, it would be pretty easy for mafia to decide to target me, as the new player with the least confidence (while i realize we have many new players, much of them have been pretty confident, even for day one). If I was mafia, I could see targeting me as a way to kill off a townie without drawing any suspicion of being mafia myself.

If you guys really want to kill me and think that with net the most info, then like….fine, but I am failing to see what info it would net, besides that shawo was targeting a townie and potentially mafia

I’ll be here until end of day more than likely, so I’m waiting for my vote until I have something I believe in to vote for

Interesting. But is Shawo your biggest read for simply pulling a name out of hat to generate conversation or are they someone you believe was going after low hanging fruit in terms of D1 Elims?

 

[Sheep Villager]

sorry for delay, I wanted to double check the rules real quick

Last/first game I played, iirc, i thought it was shawo, but a search shows not, so i guess i remembered that wrong. same thing happened but later- I was suspected in the beginning for posting too much/high effort no real substance/whatever, so i switched it up and contributed when i thought i had something to contribute
This also got me suspected, but I was town in the end after all

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Honestly I’m not a huge fan of this push to elim

Didn’t we just work out the math a few posts back that not eliminating tonight would give us more days to solve this? And we have a detective somewhere, too

It almost makes me wonder if the people pushing for an elim off of little to nothing (since that’s all we have right now) are actually the mafia, hoping for an easy kill

Wasn't the maths in favor of voting d1 though? Like if we don't vote today then we get two shots to vote out mafia. If we vote today we get three shots + the extra info from todays votes.

 

[Sidney]

Interesting. But is Shawo your biggest read for simply pulling a name out of hat to generate conversation or are they someone you believe was going after low hanging fruit in terms of D1 Elims?

It’s a bit of both. I can’t quite gather yet whether or not shawo was just generating conversation or trying for the low hanging fruit. Shawo was a hard player for me to figure out last game too;

If it’s shawo, I think betsy could be the second mafia easy enough too. I think disagreeing with shawo about me and then immediately targeting two more people (potentially town, as far as we know now) would be a potential mafia strategy to make it seem like they’re not working together while also collectively pushing for 3 separate townies to be eliminated today.

I do think shawo was going after low hanging fruit, whether or not that was from a town perspective to generate convo is yet to be seen. I haven’t seen shawo around in a minute, though

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Ok maybe I need to address this but.

We are at 9 people right now.
7 town. 2 maf.

The game ends at 2 town 2 maf.

If we elim today, it goes
D1: 7 town
N1: 6 town
D2: 5 town
N2: 4 town
D3: 3 town 2 mafia.

That gives us an elim on the last day that we can use.

If we no elim here.

D1: 7 town
N1: 7 town
D2: 6 town
N2: 5 town
D3: 4 town
N3: 3 town
D4: game end.

However, the active benefit, and the ONLY benefit of not choosing to kill is a cop check. There's an actual statistical variance we can use to see whether or not the cop check has any benefit, but that one's not actively worth doing. The important metric is the fact that as a town, it is easier to play the game with an ODD number of players in the game. Especially since the setup is completely known.

Oh i see i misunderstood. Bringing this back since it was mentioned. This is my biggest tell that shawo may just be town (or perhaps a clever way to deflect suspicions?)

So killing today gives us an extra elim, but not killing today gives us the chance for the investagator person to do more work

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I don’t understand what’s meant about the setup being unknown though, don’t we know that? 2 mafia, one role check, rest town?

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i think it is time to go back to my list of people and opinions because i feel like i’m missing someone or something

 

[tae]

hi good morning. i’m on my phone and my keyboard is absolutely JANK but i’m trying here.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE D1 INACTIVES. Let them be replaced if they never show, i know former games some of you played did not do replacements but let’s not elim someone slotted to be replaced.

 

[Sidney]

hi good morning. i’m on my phone and my keyboard is absolutely JANK but i’m trying here.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE D1 INACTIVES. Let them be replaced if they never show, i know former games some of you played did not do replacements but let’s not elim someone slotted to be replaced.

yeah i’m with this as well personally

I think best bet at the moment is seeing what happens in the next few hours

maybe leaning some pressure on the active but less active people to see if they’re trying to hide but i’m personally not super on board with just killing inactives when we have replacements

 

[Sheep Villager]

It’s a bit of both. I can’t quite gather yet whether or not shawo was just generating conversation or trying for the low hanging fruit. Shawo was a hard player for me to figure out last game too;

If it’s shawo, I think betsy could be the second mafia easy enough too. I think disagreeing with shawo about me and then immediately targeting two more people (potentially town, as far as we know now) would be a potential mafia strategy to make it seem like they’re not working together while also collectively pushing for 3 separate townies to be eliminated today.

I do think shawo was going after low hanging fruit, whether or not that was from a town perspective to generate convo is yet to be seen. I haven’t seen shawo around in a minute, though

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Oh i see i misunderstood. Bringing this back since it was mentioned. This is my biggest tell that shawo may just be town (or perhaps a clever way to deflect suspicions?)

So killing today gives us an extra elim, but not killing today gives us the chance for the investagator person to do more work

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I don’t understand what’s meant about the setup being unknown though, don’t we know that? 2 mafia, one role check, rest town?

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i think it is time to go back to my list of people and opinions because i feel like i’m missing someone or something

The set up being known refers to the fact we know what roles are in play. Sometimes in games the host doesn't say what roles/abilities exist or how many of each there are.

Same with Sheep Villager when I've played WW where we were forced to vote someone out each round, round 1 I'll vote for whoever hasn't talked yet since it's less of a loss to lose an inactive townie and if you don't go after inactives at all it's too easy for the ww to stay quiet and go unnoticed

If I'm remembering correctly who has posted @Totally_RandomYT and @tessa grace are the only two I'd label as inactive/silent so far. But, I'd still prefer to do no elimination. Since it's 10:30 pm for me (I'm in JST) and will be asleep durig EoD I'm putting in my vote now for that.

Why are you preferring no elim?

 

[Sidney]

The set up being known refers to the fact we know what roles are in play. Sometimes in games the host doesn't say what roles/abilities exist or how many of each there are.


Why are you preferring no elim?

I misread known as unknown

 

[BetsySundrop]

Betsy I'm curious why you brought up Tae at this point? In my eyes at least Tae seems to have been doing the prodding you were after. That makes me wonder why you picked Tae over Sidney here? I think you've said you don't think its Sidney but why is that? What was different about Tae and Sidney for you? Also won't quote the post but I'd love to see the reads list you promised.

The post you quoted was an early post (#52). Why I brought up tae at that point is I was asked if I had to vote at that time, who would it be. Other than inactives, the two I mentioned (tae and random yt) were really light on posting, and at that point in time, the least substantial imo.

I usually post my more thorough reads closer to voting time, probably be this afternoon. So much can happen in a short amount of time, so I like to get as much info as possible for final reads.

 

[Chris]

Editing:
Editing is not allowed under any normal circumstances and can only be done under the orders of TBT staff. Unapproved editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled.

Hi guys, just a wee reminder that editing your posts is not permitted. I know there is a delay in that "Last edited by..." message showing up publicly on posts but on the staff-end we can see that a couple of posts in this game have changed significantly since they were originally posted.

 

[BetsySundrop]

Hi guys, just a wee reminder that editing your posts is not permitted. I know there is a delay in that "Last edited by..." message showing up publicly on posts but on the staff-end we can see that a couple of posts in this game have changed significantly since they were originally posted.

Ah jeez...I hadn't even noticed edits. So much for my swift powers of observation.

I don't suppose we'll be able to see the originals?

 

[Sidney]

town

I’m mostly curious about this from shawo

and the “got it”

I don’t understand what was happening there on either end and think maybe this needs more investigation?

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Hi guys, just a wee reminder that editing your posts is not permitted. I know there is a delay in that "Last edited by..." message showing up publicly on posts but on the staff-end we can see that a couple of posts in this game have changed significantly since they were originally posted.

i noticed it on one of mine when i tried to just post a reply so i think i did something wrong somehow accident there; sorry sorry

 

[BetsySundrop]

If it’s shawo, I think betsy could be the second mafia easy enough too. I think disagreeing with shawo about me and then immediately targeting two more people (potentially town, as far as we know now) would be a potential mafia strategy to make it seem like they’re not working together while also collectively pushing for 3 separate townies to be eliminated today.

Just wanting to make a note of this. Shawo put out the "Sidney is maf, discuss" post. I hadn't seen anything at that time so I responded with.

Meh...I don't see anything pointing to Sidney thus far. What are your reasons for choosing sidney?

Shawo then presented another question:

and @Betsy, if not Sidney, who would you rather. You can't just say to not vote someone because they aren't pointed to as maf. If you assume that we HAD to eliminate someone, who would you prefer?

And I answered it with who I would likely vote for at that time. So rather than just throwing out targets, I was answering a direct question, and giving the reasoning for my answer in that post.

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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT VOTE D1 INACTIVES. Let them be replaced if they never show, i know former games some of you played did not do replacements but let’s not elim someone slotted to be replaced.

No worries from me on that. I did have concerns about replacements because of past game issues, but with the info on definite replacements d2 and observing recent activity, I think I'll manage to choose someone other than tessa.

 

[Sidney]

Just wanting to make a note of this. Shawo put out the "Sidney is maf, discuss" post. I hadn't seen anything at that time so I responded with.



Shawo then presented another question:



And I answered it with who I would likely vote for at that time. So rather than just throwing out targets, I was answering a direct question, and giving the reasoning for my answer in that post.

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No worries from me on that. I did have concerns about replacements because of past game issues, but with the info on definite replacements d2 and observing recent activity, I think I'll manage to choose someone other than tessa.

gotcha, thank you for clarifying

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I’m still of the slight opinion this could have been a manufactured convo, but not enough to feel strongly about it (yet)

 

[Sheep Villager]

@tae I think you said you sussed Trent and Shawo earlier. For those of us who have not played extensively (or at all) with them could you elaborate?

 

[tae]

@tae I think you said you sussed Trent and Shawo earlier. For those of us who have not played extensively (or at all) with them could you elaborate?

for the record my sus on both of them was based on past games played years ago with half- jabs and just stir the pot antics as a basis.

Trent’s always a hard read for me. at lease from my recollection. it’s been years since we’ve played a game together but he’s got good points and is pretty observant and well structured when he posts. he’s a good player and easily top two most experienced players in this game. idr if he’s always been a “i’m down for a no elim” d1 kinda guy but trent’s a sus simply based on the fact he’s trent and i can’t read him well in the beginning. trent’s valuable and i would not actually vote him d1 elim based on where his posts have fallen now. he pushes but isn’t giving me scum vibes off his questions and posts.

shawo is a menace to society and also top two most experienced player in this game. from the last game we played shawo is good with structure of games, math, ****-posting, and stirring the pot. last game we played together he was absolutely unhinged to say the least and was scum team pushing a hard tunnel onto me. this game he seems less unhinged and idk if that’s bc it’s been years since we played or because maybe he’s less unhinged when he’s town. or maybe his hearts not in it. it’s too early to tell. i also wouldn’t seriously vote him d1 simply because of our previous game played outcome- that was a **** post to stir the pot on him.


based off of what they’ve both posted from last night into today i don’t hard read either of them as scum- it’s mostly d1 gut feelings because all you have to base off of right away is past meta / experience with people you’ve played with along with hard focusing their wordings.


as far as who to believe has the better outcome for d1 elim vs no elim- i’m dumb as **** when it comes to mechanical game logistics with forum mafia and i usually gut feeling tunnel when i see something that feels scummy. my gut feeling towards their interactions seem more town v town imo- at least at this current spot in time.

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Not vibing with this post, this feels like postponing stuff for the sake of it. If you want to poke and prod d1 but push for a no vote then why would you just not act on what you gain from the poke n prod already on d1. If you're hoping to gain game solving info from the night kill specifically then I'm slightly at a loss on what info there could be to gain from that. Relying on just nk info means relying on whatever pace the wolves choose to give the game.

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ok mobile is asinine to post with jfc.

@Sheep Villager you don’t like trent’s d1 no elim but do you have anyone you’re leaning towards for your vote for d1 instead? anything at all- gut feeling, a vendetta from past game etc

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I’m mostly curious about this from shawo

and the “got it”

I don’t understand what was happening there on either end and think maybe this needs more investigation?

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i also would like to know more about random’s “got it” post with no substance added to the game outside of their “i’m also playing pokémon go and it’s litwick”

idk if random is brand new to mafia or just less active than the rest of us in the thread, but as far as no posts of substance random’s #1 in that category. only beaten out by people who’ve literally not returned to the thread since signing up.

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Interesting

Personally, my thought process has been as above; Too much talking = up for elim when I’m just trying to solve as does the reverse

if it’s potentially seen as sus regardless of posting amount- be it too little or too much, wouldn’t the town option be to still post and contribute? even if your beginning sus isn’t super hard, isn’t it beneficial to push for more information than to hide in the shadows?

 

[Sheep Villager]

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Thank you for the Trent/Shawo analysis! I was admittedly mainly curious about Trent as I've seen Shawo in action a few times on tbt so I know to expect a mix of general menace-to-society antics and actual strong info seeking. From my limited views he seems to be playing more town right now given he's been kicking activity in to gear and trying to prevent a no vote. idk if I'm overthinking but I just feel with the mix of newer players in here he could've benefited from more chaos if he was wolfin.

As for Trent... I guess I'll stick to just going

at his postings since I'm not really sure what to make of him either. The vibes are bad but not hyper maim worthy. I need to sit on that I think.

My vote right now is kinda hovering between Starlitglitch and Random. Starlits last post had such massively conflicting energy to it. Just the swap from 'yeah I agree voting low effort people is good' to 'yeah i prefer no-voting this, adios'. I'm just not sure if this is new player energy or the energy of someone afraid to commit to anything while still pushing.

Random I think my earlier statement still rings true to. Just. No effort no nothing?? I'm not sure if I'd vote Random out over other options but it's being considered.

I'm gonna go take a moment to prep some sort of meal for myself but after that I'll likely post my funny little reads list since making those gives my brain so much serotonin.

Could I ask you though, what about your thoughts on who to vote? If you're not down to vote Trent or Shawo then has anyone else interested you?