What makes that bait exactly? Were you expecting folks to maybe up your vote with their own?
Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)
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correct me if i'm wrong but isnt Trent just down for a no elim simply because there hasnt been much discussion or can i really not hckin read? i mean, when a game's this dead for the first half of the day isnt no-elim the better route to go? until someone's scummy enough to sway the vote turns up?
i feel like 90% of games ive played people were always against a d1 no-elim but like i have memory issues and i can't remember the logical side to why that is, but this game set up is pretty basic, with only one blue role and less actions in play to help buffer.
BetsySundrop
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I've seen inexperienced maf join early votes that have no substance behind them. I vote, see what happens...
I mean yeah sure, it was effective bait in the sense that it generated conversation, but I could also assert that I genuinely do/still find Sydney the most scummy. What I'm saying is that ~no one~ was really getting pushed off the Sydney read. Where it's a pretty easy opportunity to try and push anyone in lieu of calling sydney maf/town.
BetsySundrop
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Welcome to the game!
StarlitGlitch
Sweets Lover
Glad to see you again Betsy!
I never feel confident the first round voting for anyone (the other ac forum ones didn’t let us skip but I would’ve)
I never feel confident the first round voting for anyone (the other ac forum ones didn’t let us skip but I would’ve)
BetsySundrop
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More than 3 in this one, lol.
Ok but I'm saying that it's worse for the game to not elim than to eliminate town. Right now town has three elims to find one mafia, by not using one we only have two elims to find maf, and we gain... a det check? It's just not a play that makes sense, and since a lot of people aren't actively putting why they don't want to eliminate. Simply that they themselves don't have anyone they want to kill? It feels self centered rather than town centric gameplay.
I mean it's mostly been you, me, Tae and Betsy so it's not like there's anything/anyone else to offer up. TBH I'm surprised that none of you three even asked me if I had to vote for a person, who would it be?
BetsySundrop
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The only reason I could think of was risk of miselim the det. Sucks to vote off pr.
maybe im just dumb with logistics but i can see your point.
i also think that there's still time left in the day and now that things are *starting* to pick up a bit, it'll change more as more posts arrive.
Ok maybe I need to address this but.
We are at 9 people right now.
7 town. 2 maf.
The game ends at 2 town 2 maf.
If we elim today, it goes
D1: 7 town
N1: 6 town
D2: 5 town
N2: 4 town
D3: 3 town 2 mafia.
That gives us an elim on the last day that we can use.
If we no elim here.
D1: 7 town
N1: 7 town
D2: 6 town
N2: 5 town
D3: 4 town
N3: 3 town
D4: game end.
However, the active benefit, and the ONLY benefit of not choosing to kill is a cop check. There's an actual statistical variance we can use to see whether or not the cop check has any benefit, but that one's not actively worth doing. The important metric is the fact that as a town, it is easier to play the game with an ODD number of players in the game. Especially since the setup is completely known.
We are at 9 people right now.
7 town. 2 maf.
The game ends at 2 town 2 maf.
If we elim today, it goes
D1: 7 town
N1: 6 town
D2: 5 town
N2: 4 town
D3: 3 town 2 mafia.
That gives us an elim on the last day that we can use.
If we no elim here.
D1: 7 town
N1: 7 town
D2: 6 town
N2: 5 town
D3: 4 town
N3: 3 town
D4: game end.
However, the active benefit, and the ONLY benefit of not choosing to kill is a cop check. There's an actual statistical variance we can use to see whether or not the cop check has any benefit, but that one's not actively worth doing. The important metric is the fact that as a town, it is easier to play the game with an ODD number of players in the game. Especially since the setup is completely known.
well you've been pretty big on no-elim. do you have any thoughts yet towards who'd you vote for outside of a no-elim option?
It was implied? You not having offered that information yourself probably mattered more than any read you had to offer at that point.
StarlitGlitch
Sweets Lover
Yes, I’m happily surprised haha!
And personally my reason to not elim would just be that round one there’s so little information/it’s a easier to be guided a certain way to vote without realizing it that I feel the risk of eliminating a townie is very high
I'd be shocked if the det ended up being the elim. Realistically the actual worst case here is that the det is outted by us voting them, thus causing them to be a night kill. -> and in that specific case we're not actually receiving much of a benefit at all from having the day be no elim, unless we actively planned on doing it twice in a row.
ok also, you're so strong on a d1 elim, who are you seriously considering?
is sydney your dead set gut feeling vote or are you just stirring the pot? where do you stand on reads. less math and game function and make me a list in layman's terms since i cant read and all.
I also think this is a more valid reason than Trents reason.
As a counterpoint - do you think there's no merit in eliminating a scummy townperson d1? It stands to reason that if someone WAS going to be elim'd d1, they're likely to be elim'd d2/d3 as well. Especially since we aren't actively getting a tangible benefit from it otherwise.
BetsySundrop
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Yeah I can't read you. I actually went back and looked at a couple games you were in on tbt (i think one was janitorial, which i didn't follow very well)... didn't get real far, but you seem to be more laid back here. So I think I'm in observing mode with you so far, and I think you are in observing mode in this game so far.
Ok but having a logical case for not having a d1 elim and having a strong read aren't the same thing. If anything, by asking players TO not engage in a d1 elim, I'll be able to make more strong reads. How are you expected to read a game when people are too shy to commit to a vote?
