New feature request; pronouns!

[seliph]

Yeah against hiding but also against making it seem like trans people are different from cis people with gender identity which is fine for people who want to be perceived like that but not for people who are more gender binary

we are different from cis people though, it's something that just has to be accepted. we're different but should be treated the exact same way - with respect.

It's weird. If your concept is in the right and the truth, why am I not inclined at all to try putting efforts harder to understand "you" - trans people?
I'm not kidding. When the purpose is mutual understanding/acceptance by people who are not very understanding, how would you be able to achieve it without them feeling like trying? Yes it may be unfair as you said. But your concept is conflicting. Let's say, the situation is fair to you. Then, there should be no issue. Because the situation is unfair, there is an issue. See what I mean...? Unfair not to non trans people. Unfair to trans people. So you try and work on to rectify it. That's how in general when you want something wrong to change. You can't expect them to try work on it just because "it's right".

Also, "i know because i've seen it" is conflicting to "we as a society cannot base how we see trans people or how we think trans people "should be" based on the few that we know" in terms of logic.

So, however. Thank you for understanding the language barrier. I'm really thankful of it.

i'm sorry but i have a very hard time understanding your posts and i'm guessing it is the language barrier we've got going on. it might also be a mutual misunderstanding.

"i know because i've seen it" refers to how i've seen cis people become more understanding with trans people and pronouns through pronouns being normalized and discussed more.

"we as a society cannot base how we see trans people or how we think trans people should be based on the few that we know" refers to how we should not expect every trans person to act identically and how we should not base our ideas of all trans people off the actions/behaviours of a few. we're all different, the trans experience is not a universal one.

 

[will.]

all this over pronouns? everybody (cis + trans) can use them. i don't wanna be misgendered just like everyone else. lets all take a breath.

 

[seliph]

all this over pronouns? everybody (cis + trans) can use them. i don't wanna be misgendered just like everyone else. lets all take a breath.

i'm not sure what this post is a response to but everyone using them is part of the argument for this feature being added - cis people displaying their pronouns helps normalize doing so and makes it much less of a stigma for trans people to do so.

 

[Zura]

I don't know if it has been discussed already but whats wrong with putting it in your signature or title?

 

[dedenne]

I don't know if it has been discussed already but whats wrong with putting it in your signature or title?

some people dont have enough space i guess

 

[seliph]

I don't know if it has been discussed already but whats wrong with putting it in your signature or title?

there's nothing wrong with it but it'd be nice to be able to have a fun usertitle if desired and it could ruin the overall aesthetic of your signature, it could also put you over the height limit if you have a tall one.

 

[mogyay]

i don't always read usertitles tbh, if there was a dedicated pronoun tab i would read that before referring to someone though

 

[Zura]

i don't always read usertitles tbh, if there was a dedicated pronoun tab i would read that before referring to someone though

Well tbh, that's because you'd know that the tab would be for pronouns and that would prompt you to check it. The same thing can be applied with titles as long as there are enough people doing it and enough awareness on the userbases part

there's nothing wrong with it but it'd be nice to be able to have a fun usertitle if desired and it could ruin the overall aesthetic of your signature, it could also put you over the height limit if you have a tall one.

Same response as the bio section argument, if you're serious about it being a problem then I don't see a reason why you wouldn't make sure it was in at least one of the two already. Not to say a new feature wouldn't make it easier.

 

[SheepMareep]

I don't know if it has been discussed already but whats wrong with putting it in your signature or title?

The idea is for everyone to be prompted to supply this information like we are with gender in the bio section. If only trans and some cis people put it in their signatures or titles like how we all do now it's less of an impact for change or thought.

 

[mogyay]

Well tbh, that's because you'd know that the tab would be for pronouns and that would prompt you to check it. The same thing can be applied with titles as long as there are enough people doing it and enough awareness on the userbases part

but then you'd have to force everyone to use their usertitle for pronouns which isn't realistic

 

[Zura]

The idea is for everyone to be prompted to supply this information like we are with gender in the bio section. If only trans and some cis people put it in their signatures or titles like how we all do now it's less of an impact for change or thought.

but then you'd have to force everyone to use their usertitle for pronouns which isn't realistic

Same response to both, Im not against the proposal. I am saying that we have a feature that exists already and people should be using it. I think if enough people were using the titles for pronouns, the mods wouldn't have a problem seeing the problem.

 

[SheepMareep]

Same response to both, Im not against the proposal. I am saying that we have a feature that exists already and people should be using it. I think if enough people were using the titles for pronouns, the mods wouldn't have a problem seeing the problem.

I'm confused. What mod has said there was a problem...? And trans/nb ppl already do use titles and signatures for their pronouns. I'm asking for a designated area on the sidebar of posts SPECIFICALLY for this so people become more conscious of pronoun use.
No one really thinks to look at a signature or title as to how to address someone. Having a SPECIFIC designated spot makes it easier for everyone.

If you are not against this and have been explained everything multiple times I do not understand why you are pressing for this not to be implemented......

 

[seliph]

Same response as the bio section argument, if you're serious about it being a problem then I don't see a reason why you wouldn't make sure it was in at least one of the two already. Not to say a new feature wouldn't make it easier.

the usertitle section isn't dedicated to pronouns though. requesting an additional feature is much more feasable than requesting an entire userbase to use an existing feature a certain way.

as for the bio section, again, that's an extra 3 clicks that shouldn't have to be made

Same response to both, Im not against the proposal. I am saying that we have a feature that exists already and people should be using it. I think if enough people were using the titles for pronouns, the mods wouldn't have a problem seeing the problem.

we only had a single staff member say they "don't personally see a need for it", without any further reasoning at that.

 

[mogyay]

Same response to both, Im not against the proposal. I am saying that we have a feature that exists already and people should be using it. I think if enough people were using the titles for pronouns, the mods wouldn't have a problem seeing the problem.

that's not a feature for pronouns and it's not up to people to use it for that if they don't want to. obviously not everyone cares about being misgendered but it can be a big deal for trans people, it's a little feature that can go a long way, while i personally don't need it because i'm cis and i'm not bothered about someone using the wrong pronouns i am absolutely more than happy for such a change to make even one person on this forum feel more comfortable, it does not impact my life in any way, there's absolutely no negative for such a little feature

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lol i type slow.. mb

 

[Zura]

If you are not against this and have been explained everything multiple times I do not understand why you are pressing for this not to be implemented......

Im not pressing for that and I think misinterpreting other people's points seem to be a reoccurring theme in this thread. (Btw dont know if it's because of im color blind but I can't see yours in your sig without highlighting it.) What im saying is that people should create awareness by adding it to their titles and encourage the userbase to read it. In my mind, it shows that you care enough about the issue and showing how much it affects you.

 

[SheepMareep]

Im not pressing for that and I think misinterpreting other people's points seem to be a reoccurring theme in this thread. (Btw dont know if it's because of im color blind but I can't see yours in your sig without highlighting it.) What im saying is that people should create awareness by adding it to their titles and encourage the userbase to read it. In my mind, it shows that you care enough about the issue and showing how much it affects you.

Instead of agreeing that a pronoun area is ok you've pushed for people to continue doing what they already do without change and state that is doing enough.
But it isnt.
Me caring about the issue and doing something to solve it is making this thread to push for a pronoun section lmao.

 

[Zura]

Instead of agreeing that a pronoun area is ok you've pushed for people to continue doing what they already do without change and state that is doing enough.
But it isnt.
Me caring about the issue and doing something to solve it is making this thread to push for a pronoun section lmao.

Again, I ask that you please don't put words in my mouth. I am all for the idea! I am saying to create awareness of the problem. I myself didn't see it as a problem because of the lack of your side showing it.

cis people displaying their pronouns helps normalize doing so and makes it much less of a stigma for trans people to do so.

 

[seliph]

ok since my specialty is making fun comparisons let's have one for here.

say every user has an ice cream cone. the cone is our blank usertitle section. the ice cream is any fun title, quote, etc you can think of. the sprinkles are a new pronoun section. users having to reserve the usertitle section for pronouns, which is a way for many people to avoid discomfort, is giving us an ice cream cone with some sprinkles in it without letting us have a scoop of actual ice cream.

Again, I ask that you please don't put words in my mouth. I am all for the idea! I am saying to create awareness of the problem. I myself didn't see it as a problem because of the lack of your side showing it.

please do not quote me out of context. my words were specifically in favour of a new pronoun section. i've agreed with pretty much everything irishchai has said and i think this thread does more for awareness than everyone changing their title honestly.

 

[SheepMareep]

Oh wait. I'm sorry I completely misread your post omg ;;

That's actually a really good idea to get people to add their information into signatures/titles to make it shown we want that feature

Sorry I've been in class all day and my brain is dead ;;

However there has not been a lack of anyone showing anything regarding "our" side o uo;;;

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By people adding it into their sig/title I am also assuming you mean other cis people who support this since trans/nb people already do this.

 

[Zura]

By people adding it into their sig/title I am also assuming you mean other cis people who support this since trans/nb people already do this.

I dont see why not, I've already done so.