Mafia Overwatch Mafia - End Game, Town wins!

[EpicGamer12]

as for ness i cant really say anything cause idk how he plays ill read a previous game if i have time
he just sticks out bcuz not many people are actually talking so idk i dont have any reads yet

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ok i see : )

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actually jk his wording does sound a little weird but maybe hes just trying to stimulate discussion?
ill try and read something tonight but meanwhile people give input pls

quoting this post because i'm trying to fix a post glitch, sorry

 

[Primalflexer]

@toad thank you for that explanation. And yes I am Glow's BF irl.

 

[Heyden]

Wasn't able to finish reading last night bc my internet kept having interruptions, but from what I got out of it;

Ness is town, I don't think he would be that dumb as mafia to burst out already and make excuses like 'idk my rolename', if anything he's try and make a fake one like his amazing JOAT claim in tarot mafia.

Amanda I'm almost certain she's town already, idk. Something about her posts just scream town bc she's effectively helping in ways, if anything she's my strongest tr at the moment I think

Tom sus, he was pretty quick to sort of push the attention on Ness. I say that because it was more indirect and immediately implied that a jester was unlikely, making Ness more sus.

Jacob sus but more null, his defense of Ness may have been genuine or faked idk but I don't think he's done anything too sus besides being inactive

Endless null atm, all his posts were either pushing for Ness or fluffing around with inessential info, but whatever

Primal is mostly just answering questions and asking questions atm, no idea, he hasn't done much either to contribute anything, but I'll let it go bc I'm pretty sure he's new, wouldn't be a bad lynch either though
revision: you know the more I think of it he's pretty bandwagony on entropy's path, tryna blend in or something eh

but anyway, im gonna vote Tom, I don't think Endless is a logical lynch for today tbh, if I can I'll be on before d1 deadline tho

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everyone else i didn't do was bc they didnt stick out
oh and sorry for no colour #mobilelyfe

 

[glow]

I was double ninja'd

Well I too have been wary of Tom and Jacob's silence, especially looking back at old games. I also do not like Jacob saying his only townread is Ness, so I'm looking forward to his post later about the others. Tom's posts so far have been about general things that at face value seem relevant, but are not related to town at all.
Abe's posts just doesn't seem like him. For someone who usually is so cocky about everything he does and so level-headed, he just seems completely different
Primalflexer's posts just seem forced and imo feel like what a newer person would say if they were scum.

Dolby, Trundle, Seroja, Ness, Whiteflamingo, Karen, Amanda are all town leans for the moment. But thats a big list, so I will still be watching out for them.

whoever is left, is null due to not enough info... Glow, Heyden, getlucky

as far as voting, I have no idea about the four of them and want to hear other people's ideas of what to do before making any decisions. I don't have classes and should be checking in up until end of day.

UM?

how am i in the same category of people thats made like 1.5 posts total

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I'd like to see several scum games involving endless.

wait whats preventing u from looking it up on the wiki or something urself lol

 

[Endless]

Since when were my posts disorganised?

I've maintained a stable conversion of pressure into subsequent read on two players. Just because I haven't found someone I read strongly enough to nail into the wall yet doesn't make me mafia. In fact, one of the issues Ender figured out about my mafia game a year or so ago is that I'd typically change my mind a lot less as mafia on the first day. (Obviously no longer relevant because any problem I know about is easily fixed, but a demonstrable point that me changing my mind is a towntell if anything, but not anything.)

@Seroja: As I stated in my first post, my read on Ness was an intersection of his meta and his horrific reaction testing and justification in this game. (As, if he'd done something similar as town before, then it would just be an abysmal playstyle-thing, rather than a attempting-to-look-like-he's-scumhunting thing)

Moreover, his frantic appeal looks like cornered town. I'd not vote him as of this moment.

PrimalFlexer is god-tier obvious town after the second post (or I'm wildly underestimating him but I doubt it) and if Trundle can't figure that out then he's liable to be mafia.

I'd like some discussion to be directed towards Dolby. I don't have time to do it myself, (30 minutes left to get ready for uni, including shower time and preparing lunch) but I destinctly remember him slightly misconstruing points w/r/t Ness. I brushed over it at the time, but the more I think about it the more it irks me.

 

[EpicGamer12]

So it seems Tom and Abraham (Endless) are both on the pedestal at the moment. I want to preface this post by saying I think Ness is just a crappy town player at this point, but that could change in the future.

I believe Seroja nailed it down in the following posts:

What I find a bit funny is that Abe wrote a really long post dissecting each of Ness' posts but all it took was skimming through Ness' previous games on mafiascum for him to drop his suspicions completely. Were you basing it completely on meta or? although, if Abe's scum I don't think he would give Ness a chance and would have pushed for his lynch.
@Tom, while I appreciate you explaining about the characters and their possible alignments (since I don't play Overwatch), you are awfully quiet about everything else. I'd like to hear more from you.

And here is another piece that I think is interesting:

There's a lot of things wrong here. PrimalFlexer, if glow "provided nothing new", how did she "point out that between Ness and (I) there was 1 mafia"?
How does glow stating that there's one mafia between us because she thinks both of us are mafia but not in a team together helpful to you in any way unless you follow her reasoning on me being mafia?
Posting a long post with analysis like that is something you'll see frequently from here on out. The more content, the more helpful it is to town.
Additionally, can you please state why you think toads is mafia? Your only comments are that you were "on the fence" about him, then that he "reacted townish" in regard to Ness, then despite that you conclude that between him and I there's definitely a mafia. (Implying you scumread him)

This is Endless replying to PrimalFlexer. To paraphrase PrimalFlexer's post, "I'm null on glow because she didn't really show me anything new, and Endless is suspicious because of his long post on Ness".

First off, why are you so fixated on a single sentence about a null read? There have been so many completely off beat reads this game you haven't even commented on that are so much further out than reading glow as null. Your behaviour this game is incredibly inconsistent.

1) You made a huge rambling post on Ness and decided he was scum.
2) You changed your mind based off of his previous games (2meta4me btw).
3) You are overly defensive about a single post that has suspicion on you, but for some reason you tried to make it more about glow than yourself (getting attention off of yourself?).
4) You have hardly commented on anyone else's strange reads, suspicions of you, and the like.

When I play as scum, I often fall susceptible to biases when selecting posts to reply to because I obviously know who is and is not town. I think Endless might be falling to this as well. My mind is picking up on patterns that I can't really put into words right now, but red flags are definitely there. It seems like he is intentionally avoiding raising attention to certain people and specifically trying to get attention off of himself at the same time.

I'm also going to mention that most players right now have said they think there is a scum between Endless and X. I think common ground is a safe place to go to right now, so I suggest you vote Endless.

 

[N e s s]

UM?

how am i in the same category of people thats made like 1.5 posts total

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wait whats preventing u from looking it up on the wiki or something urself lol

I did, but what I want is more of them. Endless, could you give me several of your scum games from different websites?

 

[Endless]

Also, for the love of God, please don't underestimate Amanda again. Have people forgotten how she was easily one of the best players in her first game?

 

[EpicGamer12]

And yes, I'm aware my post is very very weak. It's D1.

 

[glow]

not really comfortable with how whiteflamingos being townread for not knowing the word for third party. if i were to unvote abe id probably vote white

iirc white scumreads me for "not doing enough" but townreads jacob who was doing nothing atm ???

and toads townreads seroja and a few others who haven't really done anything besides check in ?????

 

[Endless]

@Trundle It's nothing but common for me to change my mind as town, especially after applying pressure. What posts am I not posts am I not replying to? If I missed anything, I'd love you to direct me to it. I'm reasonably sure I didn't though.

Historically falling to biases is not a mafia-flaw of mine. I'm rather infamous for pressuring my partners without ever actually risking them getting lynched (see my first game on site.)

@Ness I could, but they'd be old and probably irrelevant because I've barely played in the last 2 years except on this site.

 

[EpicGamer12]

not really comfortable with how whiteflamingos being townread for not knowing the word for third party. if i were to unvote abe id probably vote white

iirc white scumreads me for "not doing enough" but townreads jacob who was doing nothing atm ???

and toads townreads seroja and a few others who haven't really done anything besides check in ?????

Ok, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings here but
1) I think white is newbie/bad townie
2) toadsworthy's read on seroja is perfectly valid to me, they have had a few pretty decent posts. Although I do think a few of toads reads are a bit hasty.

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@Trundle It's nothing but common for me to change my mind as town, especially after applying pressure. What posts am I not posts am I not replying to? If I missed anything, I'd love you to direct me to it. I'm reasonably sure I didn't though.

Historically falling to biases is not a mafia-flaw of mine. I'm rather infamous for pressuring my partners without ever actually risking them getting lynched (see my first game on site.)

@Ness I could, but they'd be old and probably irrelevant because I've barely played in the last 2 years except on this site.

I'm sure you know I'm hesitant to believe anything you say right now. I don't know why but the amount of red flags going off on my head from everything you say is just crazy. I don't see a better lynch option from my perspective right now, where I am quite certain you are not town.

 

[N e s s]

@Trundle It's nothing but common for me to change my mind as town, especially after applying pressure. What posts am I not posts am I not replying to? If I missed anything, I'd love you to direct me to it. I'm reasonably sure I didn't though.

Historically falling to biases is not a mafia-flaw of mine. I'm rather infamous for pressuring my partners without ever actually risking them getting lynched (see my first game on site.)

@Ness I could, but they'd be old and probably irrelevant because I've barely played in the last 2 years except on this site.

Yeah well I want them anyway. Give several of them to me.

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Actually, don't. I'm suspicious of you anyway from what I've gathered from the other 2 scum games on TBT.

 

[glow]

because i dont see how you could see this

Mafia Guesses:
Toadsworthy (A little unsure but I think its an okay guess)
Glow (I definitely don't think your town but I'm not necessarily sure your a vigilante)
Tom (Either this or you are a vigilante)

Town guesses:
Ness
Jacob
Trundle
Primalflexer

Vigilantes:
Karen
Tom
Dolby

Everybody else hasn't posted enough for me to tell.

as towny- while at the same time seeing this

Forgive me for not being able to toss out any reads but from what I'm reading you guys are basing scum reads and town tells off of games played in the past so I can't really offer any for sure fire evidence because I don't know how anyone in here plays. I can say though I still think Ness is town and I'm thinking apple may be town but I haven't seen enough content to make me want to vote for anyone.

as scummy ????

primalflexers initial reads are at least game solvey and you can see his train of thought. whereas white just put names into categories?

i'm NOT criticizing white for being a new player and not having strong reads, i'm criticizing toads for his inconsistency. you can't townread someone for their noobness and not view other new players in the same light

 

[Endless]

Since this Trainwreck to hell seems to not look like it has any outlet other than staying on me, I'm Symmetry, town busdriver.
I'm aware that Tom said symmetra was likely not a town role, but that's not something I can absolve. Either I was given symmetra as my role as town, or I was given symmetra as a fake claim, so that shouldn't be read into. Regardless, given how easily proven my claim is, lynching me would be nothing short of madness.

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Symmetra. Thanks autocorrect.

 

[Dolby]

Since this Trainwreck to hell seems to not look like it has any outlet other than staying on me, I'm Symmetry, town busdriver.
I'm aware that Tom said symmetra was likely not a town role, but that's not something I can absolve. Either I was given symmetra as my role as town, or I was given symmetra as a fake claim, so that shouldn't be read into. Regardless, given how easily proven my claim is, lynching me would be nothing short of madness.

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Symmetra. Thanks autocorrect.

Beep beep you drive the bus
If you are bus driver, I'm honestly so jealous

 

[toadsworthy]

because i dont see how you could see this



as towny- while at the same time seeing this



as scummy ????

primalflexers initial reads are at least game solvey and you can see his train of thought. whereas white just put names into categories?

i'm NOT criticizing white for being a new player and not having strong reads, i'm criticizing toads for his inconsistency. you can't townread someone for their noobness and not view other new players in the same light

And yeah I see white's posts as just bad town, like blatantly obviously town. Cringey town.
Primal's feel like he's trying to blend in as town moreso. I'm not sold on either stance yet, but they are just my opinions so far.
Just like your opinion is that I'm inconsistent. There is a definite difference between the two (white and primal), I've stated my thoughts on it.

 

[glow]

SYMETTRY?????? SLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

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im voting white lol bye

 

[N e s s]

I don't think I believe endless. He's spent his last 7 posts not naming anyone scum besides a weak one on Dolby, in which he says nothing of substance besides "it irked me".

Also, reads list is almost done.

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And don't you straw man me by saying you need to get ready for university. Give us some reason why you think Dolby's thoughts on my posts are suspicious.

 

[toadsworthy]

I don't think I believe endless. He's spent his last 7 posts not naming anyone scum besides a weak one on Dolby, in which he says nothing of substance besides "it irked me".

Also, reads list is almost done.

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And don't you straw man me by saying you need to get ready for university. Give us some reason why you think Dolby's thoughts on my posts are suspicious.

regardless though, he is right... I don't feel comfortable lynching him when it can be so easily proven over night