Mafia PokéMafia : a small game of mafia - Town Wins

[Dolby]

I'm going to respond with a wall, especially since work is slowing down and I have the time and a lot to respond to, but since I have you here: who are your top two scumreads Dolby?

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Antonio and JT?

I'm gonna drop Antonio for now consdiering his behavior is tempered with him replacing out, but JT is definetely one of them. I guess at the end of the day it would have to be Zelda for number 2 because she's been here while dragon is genuinely afk

Confident TL on Hyrule, semi-confident on Bianca and you

 

[toadsworthy]

I saw Antonio needs a replacement.... lemme contact someone

 

[Dolby]

I saw Antonio needs a replacement.... lemme contact someone

*cough cough*Punchy*coughcough*

 

[Geoni]

Dolby I'm trying to consider a sensible town reason to suddenly drop a sus on Antonio just because he is replacing out other than maybe believing irl constraints are legitimate and thus excuse the struggle of presence? Is that what you mean by 'tempered with him replacing out'?

Even so you are dropping it even though you argued that Antonio was demonstrating a town struggle to contribute in past games whereas in here his struggle is more of a scumtell because it is concerned with presence. I mean you're legit looking back on how he did provide reads on three people in Call Ships N1 as a behavior that counters his behavior here. However what you're not acknowledging is that N1 in Call Ships was after 48 hours of content was out there and we are only now reaching that time since d0. Later in that game he openly acknowledged a struggle staying active. That's my disagreement about it. Especially at the time you made that read with the added consideration for how you were picking at him and Bianca for how they should know what the prs are by now.

 

[Dolby]

Yeah, I’m dropping it because him dropping out indicates that he’s struggling (at least in part) due to irl reasons

The central point of that, though it was poorly expressed, was that Antonio at least put forward suspicions and TLs. His only post of substance up to that point was a defense of me: he hadn’t tried to create reads, just trying to stay in the thread

 

[Geoni]

In general dropping someone just because they sub out is a hard turn if your feelings about a slot are completely absolved by irl time constraints preventing contribution. When someone subs in you still have to consider the actions of the original in your macro read of that slot.

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Yeah, I’m dropping it because him dropping out indicates that he’s struggling (at least in part) due to irl reasons

What about that is AI?

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And again, that doesn't consider 48 hours had already passed by then Dolby. But if you want to argue that it's showing too much concern over appearance because that concern wasn't present in past games that's yet another reason I question why you want to suddenly drop it since that's a legitimate read if you can back up that it indicates being overly concerned with appearing active which at the time still feels pushy.

 

[Dolby]

In general dropping someone just because they sub out is a hard turn if your feelings about a slot are completely absolved by irl time constraints preventing contribution. When someone subs in you still have to consider the actions of the original in your macro read of that slot.

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What about that is AI?

It itself is not AI, but it indicates past behavior is non-AI

Antonio isn't completely absolved, but the more I think about it, the more this does look like early Antonio last game where he needed to replace out and BWed everything. most of my grievences towards Antonio were his lack of contribution (in addition to that his contribution looked like it was to focused on you and felt like it was leading up to that point), and if he's replacing out it indicates his lack of contribution is for legit reasons

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And again, that doesn't consider 48 hours had already passed by then Dolby. But if you want to argue that it's showing too much concern over appearance because that concern wasn't present in past games that's yet another reason I question why you want to suddenly drop it since that's a legitimate read if you can back up that it indicates being overly concerned with appearing active which at the time still feels pushy.

And 48 hours had passed here at the time that I made said post

I did feel that his "contributions" felt that way, but considering that he's replacing out because he can't deal with this indicates that the behavior is null since regardless of his alignment he couldn't maintain a thread presence anyway

 

[Geoni]

It itself is not AI, but it indicates past behavior is non-AI

Antonio isn't completely absolved, but the more I think about it, the more this does look like early Antonio last game where he needed to replace out and BWed everything. most of my grievences towards Antonio were his lack of contribution (in addition to that his contribution looked like it was to focused on you and felt like it was leading up to that point), and if he's replacing out it indicates his lack of contribution is for legit reasons

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And 48 hours had passed here at the time that I made said post

I did feel that his "contributions" felt that way, but considering that he's replacing out because he can't deal with this indicates that the behavior is null since regardless of his alignment he couldn't maintain a thread presence anyway

If you're talking about #122 that was a ballpark of around 45 hours since day 0 began, actually. And I am looking at #84 and when you first start suspecting Antonio from a contribution standpoint and that was only 26ish hours after d0 began.

If Antonio was your true lynch target for day 1 then I feel I have the right to question this progression on Antonio despite it bringing us to an agreed null/townlean on him when already had JT sus established and you couldn't predict this sub-out.

And yet here you are still defending against my accusation that it was pushy to read his means of contribution as suspicious despite that progression. That's what's concerning for me about it.

Also I can't recall if Antonio subbed out of the last game I'll have to look at that.

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...right last game wasn't -his- last game, he hosted that one

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The spy one?

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Looks like that was his last game. I see a single bandwagoning moment before he asked to be subbed out in that Toads was scumreading you.

 

[Dolby]

If you're talking about #122 that was a ballpark of around 45 hours since day 0 began, actually. And I am looking at #84 and when you first start suspecting Antonio from a contribution standpoint and that was only 26ish hours after d0 began.

If Antonio was your true lynch target for day 1 then I feel I have the right to question this progression on Antonio despite it bringing us to an agreed null/townlean on him when already had JT sus established and you couldn't predict this sub-out.

And yet here you are still defending against my accusation that it was pushy to read his means of contribution as suspicious despite that progression. That's what's concerning for me about it.

Also I can't recall if Antonio subbed out of the last game I'll have to look at that.

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...right last game wasn't -his- last game, he hosted that one

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The spy one?

Yeah, the spy one

What does JT have to do with this first of all. I guess it makes sense in regards to who my preferred lynch is for the day, and JT has always been at the forefront of my mind when I'm able to remember he's in the game. I think that #84 ended up leaving an impression on how I felt that wasn't accurate: I was focusing more on Bianca and Antonio because their lack of contribution was more serious as experienced players.

I didn't predict that he'd sub out. I'm not arguing that it's a valid view for me to hold now considering that he has legit irl impediments, but that it was a valid view at the time considering that he hadn't subbed out yet

Antonio is not null/townlean, he's null since nothing that he said ultimately influenced the game outside of the ideal that it influenced our reads on him

 

[Geoni]

Who is on inviiiiiis

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Yeah, the spy one

What does JT have to do with this first of all. I guess it makes sense in regards to who my preferred lynch is for the day, and JT has always been at the forefront of my mind when I'm able to remember he's in the game. I think that #84 ended up leaving an impression on how I felt that wasn't accurate: I was focusing more on Bianca and Antonio because their lack of contribution was more serious as experienced players.

I didn't predict that he'd sub out. I'm not arguing that it's a valid view for me to hold now considering that he has legit irl impediments, but that it was a valid view at the time considering that he hadn't subbed out yet

Antonio is not null/townlean, he's null since nothing that he said ultimately influenced the game outside of the ideal that it influenced our reads on him

Yeah I was bringing up JT as your next in line in terms of lynch priority from what I could tell because I was getting the impression Antonio was your #1 and that's the lynch you wanted to make happen despite your vote on Zelda. Also in the circumstance of the unique d0 that it was and both of those players aren't super experienced their level of contribution felt like what I would expect, that's why I raised a brow at your short lived pairing of them.

And in general the very thing I am arguing is that it was valid to begin with and that it was concerningly foreshadowing a case for what I think would have been an Antonio mislynch had people followed you on it.

Yeah I guessed this as a null but wasn't wholly sure. Either way we are agreeing that he's not scum at the moment is what I'm saying.

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Also lemme know when you're going to bed and done interacting because responding to the wall is gonna be a ***** to do on mobile. My initial wall was a ***** to begin with.

 

[Dolby]

Also lemme know when you're going to bed and done interacting because responding to the wall is gonna be a ***** to do on mobile. My initial wall was a ***** to begin with.

Prob gonna be soon. I feel like we've reached an impasse here and at the end of the day your a town lean and I don't have any major disagreements. I might look some into Bianca but that's pretty pure tone from the majority of her posts, but I really don't see any reason to respond to this specifically.

 

[Geoni]

Prob gonna be soon. I feel like we've reached an impasse here and at the end of the day your a town lean and I don't have any major disagreements. I might look some into Bianca but that's pretty pure tone from the majority of her posts, but I really don't see any reason to respond to this specifically.

Respond to what, post 150 or the Bianca thing?

Also if we are at an impasse lets stay on ZeldaJune, she's your #2 after all and there has to be two mafia here. I'm not going to vote JT out of sheer distrust of you alongside the 'treats it like a casual game' vibe he puts off that I've seen from newbie town in the past.

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Also let me know if you need a tl;dr of our walls Rhino. I see you down there.

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Or just keep playing other games in the basement that's fine.

 

[rhinoo]

Yeah I read them but I brain exploded.

I (hopefully) picked up the important bits.

- You think Jack is playing casually.

- You think ZeldaJune is Mafia (no idea why tho)

And that's all I got.

 

[Dolby]

Yeah I read them but I brain exploded.

I (hopefully) picked up the important bits.

- You think Jack is playing casually.

- You think ZeldaJune is Mafia (no idea why tho)

And that's all I got.

Do you think that Jt is the type of person who would naturally follow your vote or mine for the PR voting?

 

[rhinoo]

Uh probs mine.

 

[Dolby]

Uh probs mine.

K

Do you think that he deliberately avoided making a serious vote until you did?

 

[rhinoo]

I honestly don't know.

 

[Geoni]

Yeah I read them but I brain exploded.

I (hopefully) picked up the important bits.

- You think Jack is playing casually.

- You think ZeldaJune is Mafia (no idea why tho)

And that's all I got.

Not going to shame you if you didn't read but it legit seems like you looked at the vote thread and only read the last few posts. I put a tl;dr of why I suspect Dolby could be mafia at the end of post 135 and my reason for voting Zelda is that unlike you and JT who are casually just playing other games and barely contributing here ZeldaJune is lurking more frequently while not posting anywhere else which demonstrates that she is around solely to lurk and not play games like you two, she's concerned with how people will view that while y'all aren't, only made a single post when called out to do so and it was a simple bandwagon of Dolby's push for watcher and cop to be in the game and said post also had a bit of a deliberate tone.

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K

Do you think that he deliberately avoided making a serious vote until you did?

Question is guided af.

 

[Hyrule_Crossing]

My vote is still zelda June but I might think on it a little more as, I don’t wanna be a copy cat lol

 

[Geoni]

My vote is still zelda June but I might think on it a little more as, I don’t wanna be a copy cat lol

What's your ranking of how suspicious everyone in the game is?