Politics General Discussion Thread - "USA Presidential Election 2016" Editon

[ZetaFunction]

The fact that people are still getting triggered over him is really sad... like, I get it, you be you, and you can't change that; Trump has implied he's against a lot of the left and left ideals, and the groups that the left support (LGBT, muslims, what have you). Y'all are worried about yourselves and your lives as you know it are possibly in jeopardy, I get it. Starting those riots and fires and **** in some cities though is NOT going to solve anything but make the laws even stricter towards those minorities and groups who are being 'targeted.' And I mean it's even in the ideals of the constitution, that we all live in this country because of sacrifice and compromise, so I mean don't expect everything to just poof in front of you in a golden platter; because sweatie, that's not how the world works.

The suicides are also really sad, but I mean people are literally scared for their lives. The kid of someone my parents know (I don't actually know him, but they told me yesterday) had an extreme panic attack from finding out Trump was president and then wondered if the world was going to end. You know what, so what if it does??? Flipping out over this **** is gonna make your last days suck if the world is actually going to end (which btw it isn't). You can't change the fact that Trump is president. You all need to learn to behave yourselves and just deal with it. Did you see conservatists and republicans do this crazy ass **** and start up all these goddamn ****storms when Obama was elected twice? Nope. Lmao and look how many lives he ****ed up with his lovely obamacare and health care premiums.

 

[KermitTea]

Those people are not my people, and yes I highly stand by what I say. I explained it in a previous post, he shouldn't have been a factor at all. Just like the trolls I have seen on here on the trump side, yes I have seen trolls all day on the hilary side taking this as a joke. It isn't a joke at all. I don't want to be told to get over it. Do I feel highly upset and offended, you damn right. I'm being offended on all levels and so are many people. Are some taking it way too far? Yes, as it happens naturally, not everybody thinks the same, nor can we control certain situations. Would I have rather it had been Bernie Sanders instead of Hilary? Yes. Would others have rather it be another republican candidate instead of trump? Yes. I'm not promoting violence, in any way, but my opinion is republicans should have fought a bit harder to not have a candidate like him. I highly feel he bought his way in and gave republicans no choice. But a person like him was promoted into the office by the people that voted for him. That's where people are offended. People voted for him, even if it's cause they felt like they had no choice. He stands for ideals that are completely inhumane. I cannot call him my president, refuse to, and a lot of people feel the same way. It isn't a color, race or religion thing, it's a people thing.

So, from what you've said, you're still saying all Trump supporters are racist, xenophobes, bigots, etc. And while I agree that other candidates will have been a better choice (read: Kasich), you can't deny that Trump ran a smart campaign. He tapped into a largely forgotten voter base, spent his money wisely (paid 63% less for each electoral vote compared to Hillary), had a message that resonated with many, and had a good slogan (compare it to Hillary's "I'm with her").
Bottom line: he won the election, fair and square. He is the President. If Hillary won, I'm betting you wouldn't say "I cannot call [her] my president". You say you want tolerance. So practice what you preach.

 

[chibibunnyx]

So, from what you've said, you're still saying Trump supporters are racist, xenophobes, bigots, etc. And while I agree that other candidates will have been a better choice (read: Kasich), you can't deny that Trump ran a smart campaign. He tapped into a largely forgotten voter base, spent his money wisely (paid 63% less for each electoral vote compared to Hillary), had a message that resonated with many, and had a good slogan (compare it to Hillary's "I'm with her").
Bottom line: he won the election, fair and square. He is the President. If Hillary won, I'm betting you wouldn't say "I cannot call [her] my president". You say you want tolerance. So practice what you preach.

sweetheart, he ran a smart campaign by promoting a hell of a lot of negative things towards race, genders, sexuality, & religions. If you don't agree with that, don't vote for someone like that. Point of the matter is, she didn't say those horrific things. People with children who are disabled felt like what is this world coming to hearing that. How is that okay?

If hilary won and you said that, that's completely fine. Why? Because you are disagreeing politically. Because you disagreed with what she advocating. She never hit you with whatever your race is and basically said all of you are rapist. Let's make that clear. Cause I would have most definitely voted for another democrat, because her ideals weren't all there. And I wouldn't have voted period, had another republican been on the stand, and not someone like trump who said the things he said.

I am practicing what I preach, I just want the world to get why people are upset, it seems a whole bunch of people are skipping the point of the matter, and either thinking people are mad because he is republican (no).

If she would have won, I wouldn't have been proud, nor would I be gloating about it, I would be living normally and not feel like the world I live in is a mockery. She wouldn't have been the greatest, but she's better off. And I would have said the same for a republican president, that wasn't trump.

A lot of people who are republican would have felt the same way for a democrat, that wasn't hilary. But at least they weren't looking up to someone who literally said a whole bunch of awful things towards certain classes of people.
Don't try to tap into a mind you know nothing of. I am very tolerant, very respectful, and very understanding. No I don't believe everyone who voted for trump is racist or anything of that manner, and I take it back, but what I won't take back is voting for someone like him was basically promoting that.

If you can't see through the eyes of the people who are highly offended, agree to disagree and have a nice day. But don't try to shame people for being offended and defending their race/culture/etc or for defending those that feel suicidal due to this. That isn't right and isn't humane.

 

[Arlo]

Okay I'm gonna say my piece and then I'm done with this because all this is becoming is more hate.

I do not support the riots or the violence. I do not think those people should be the ones standing for what I believe in.

I do not support the people who are using Trump's name to act on their disgusting ideals of attacking and verbally/physically abusing others. I respect everyones opinion, but I do not respect those people.

I am a physically and mentally disabled, transgender, gay, half-Arabic person. I literally fit the bill of people Trump hates the most. I am Autistic, I do not understand things as easily as others, but one thing I understand greatly is hate.

I accept that Trump is president. I may not like it, but it's how it is. What I DO NOT accept is the fact that some people view this as allowance to abuse others. THIS is what I fear. Not what Donald Trump will or will not do, but what people will do because he gave them a president who has verbally supported this kind of behaviour, and in some cases, physically supported it. I fear for what people will do to people like me, and I fear for what they've already done. I've seen firsthand the abuse people received during Brexit, and from what I've seen, it's already gotten worse than that.

 

[KermitTea]

Weeeee, let's break this down, shall we?

sweetheart, he ran a smart campaign by promoting a hell of a lot of negative things towards race, genders, sexuality, & religions. If you don't agree with that, don't vote for someone like that. Point of the matter is, she didn't say those horrific things. People with children who are disabled felt like what is this world coming to hearing that. How is that okay?

Yes, I disagree with some of the things he said. But he's a mostly genuine person (look at the video I linked before), and the media has taken many of what he has said out of context A LOT. Trump was one of the first people to hire female executives at his company. He has tons of black employees. As for Clinton, are you fine with her calling half of America deplorables and all Bernie supporters basement dwellers?

If hilary won and you said that, that's completely fine. Why? Because you are disagreeing politically. Because you disagreed with what she advocating. She never hit you with whatever your race is and basically said all of you are rapist. Let's make that clear. Cause I would have most definitely voted for another democrat, because her ideals weren't all there. And I wouldn't have voted period, had another republican been on the stand, and not someone like trump who said the things he said.

Trump NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists. He said that illegal immigration is bringing in rapists, criminals, along with some good people. And that's true. How many people have been killed by illegal immigrants? How is illegal immigration okay? I KNOW someone who's kid was killed by an illegal immigrant.

I am practicing what I preach, I just want the world to get why people are upset, it seems a whole bunch of people are skipping the point of the matter, and either thinking people are mad because he is republican (no).

You're not. Toleration is understanding where the other viewpoint(s) come from. By refusing to admit that Trump is President, by refusing to see past the veil the mainstream media has painted, by labeling ALL Trump supporters as racist bigots etc, you are not practicing what you are preaching.

If she would have won, I wouldn't have been proud, nor would I be gloating about it, I would be living normally and not feel like the world I live in is a mockery. She wouldn't have been the greatest, but she's better off. And I would have said the same for a republican president, that wasn't trump.

This, we can agree to disagree.

A lot of people who are republican would have felt the same way for a democrat, that wasn't hilary. But at least they weren't looking up to someone who literally said a whole bunch of awful things towards certain classes of people.
Don't try to tap into a mind you know nothing of. I am very tolerant, very respectful, and very understanding. No I don't believe everyone who voted for trump is racist or anything of that manner, and I take it back, but what I won't take back is voting for someone like him was basically promoting that.

When have I tried to tap into your mind? I said that Trump tapped into a large voter base. I am simply stating facts. Have I ever said, "chibibunnyxx supports corruption because s/he likes Clinton over Trump"? No. So don't make false assumptions. I said that you implied that all Trump supporters are racist bigots which is true, because 1) you haven't denounced that when I pointed that out and 2) you clearly said, "I stand by what I said" or something along those lines.
Edit: I did say that I think you would accept Hillary as President, or at least not denounce her. So I take it back, but still, I was correct. You said that you wouldn't prefer for her to be President, but be willing to accept her as one.

If you can't see through the eyes of the people who are highly offended, agree to disagree and have a nice day. But don't try to shame people for being offended and defending their race/culture/etc or for defending those that feel suicidal due to this. That isn't right and isn't humane.

When have I shamed you? Is it wrong of me to speak out against people who physically attack others over political opinions? Is it wrong to point out the irony in the behavior of many liberals? And I never talked about suicidal. Of course encouraging suicide isn't humane, and implying that I believe that suicide is fine isn't right either.

 

[nintendofan85]

While I was supporting Clinton in the election, what I believe got Trump elected is a seeming decay in the industrial economy of the Midwest. I don't support Trump's policies, but that appears to be the reason.

 

[KermitTea]

Trump won for many reasons, and that is definitely one of them. I don't like a few of his policies (read: environmental issues), but a few of them seem good. I heard from a teacher that one of her friends is a farmer in some rural area and that Trump was the only one that came to speak to them. Trump had nearly 5x as many rallies as Hillary did. He worked harder to get more votes. Clinton thought that they'd come easy (easier) for her. Who would've imagined (on her campaign and some of us) that Wisconsin, Michigan, and even Pennsylvania flipped red?

 

[chibibunnyx]

Weeeee, let's break this down, shall we?


Yes, I disagree with some of the things he said. But he's a mostly genuine person (look at the video I linked before), and the media has taken many of what he has said out of context A LOT. Trump was one of the first people to hire female executives at his company. He has tons of black employees. As for Clinton, are you fine with her calling half of America deplorables and all Bernie supporters basement dwellers?


Trump NEVER said all Mexicans are rapists. He said that illegal immigration is bringing in rapists, criminals, along with some good people. And that's true. How many people have been killed by illegal immigrants? How is illegal immigration okay? I KNOW someone who's kid was killed by an illegal immigrant.


You're not. Toleration is understanding where the other viewpoint(s) come from. By refusing to admit that Trump is President, by refusing to see past the veil the mainstream media has painted, by labeling ALL Trump supporters as racist bigots etc, you are not practicing what you are preaching.


This, we can agree to disagree.


When have I tried to tap into your mind? I said that Trump tapped into a large voter base. I am simply stating facts. Have I ever said, "chibibunnyxx supports corruption because s/he likes Clinton over Trump"? No. So don't make false assumptions. I said that you implied that all Trump supporters are racist bigots which is true, because 1) you haven't denounced that when I pointed that out and 2) you clearly said, "I stand by what I said" or something along those lines.
Edit: I did say that I think you would accept Hillary as President, or at least not denounce her. So I take it back, but still, I was correct. You said that you wouldn't prefer for her to be President, but be willing to accept her as one.


When have I shamed you? Is it wrong of me to speak out against people who physically attack others over political opinions? Is it wrong to point out the irony in the behavior of many liberals? And I never talked about suicidal. Of course encouraging suicide isn't humane, and implying that I believe that suicide is fine isn't right either.

Then agree to disagree, move on, enjoy your day on animal crossing!

 

[moonford]

Trump = Garbage
Clinton = Garbage, although I think she would be better.

I feel like we should all calm down a bit, politics is a VERY stressful subject for many of us and do we really need to be stressed right now? Its good that people worry because it shows they care but the more you stress and worry you will eventually hit rock bottom. So stop, take a minute and think about the good stuff and focus on that rather than this "thing" being elected.

The world is not going to end, however there may be major fallouts amongst countries due to him being elected because believe it or not other countries hate him more than they like him.

 

[Munyo]

But why are you complaining about third party voters who didn't vote for Hillary? Why don't you complain about actual Trump supporters and people who voted for him instead? They are technically the real problem.

Please think this way. People who voted third party are not fault. It's the people who allowed him to take it.

 

[KermitTea]

I agree, there is plenty of good that will come out of this election. For one, think of all the minority victories in the smaller elections. Trump is also one of the most pro-LGBT Republican candidates in history, although his running mate is otherwise. Trump is an establishment outsider (think of how literally everyone in establishment didn't want him including GOP) so hopefully, the corruption will die down (think of Clinton-Obama, Clinton Foundation, Haiti). It's also nice to know that money can't buy a ticket into the White House (stated before -- Clinton spent 63% more on each electoral vote, raised over half as much. I have a chart if anyone is interested).

So, 4 years of stagnation and possible regression to the progressive agenda we've had for the past 8 years. A shift of power is necessary, and is bound to come anyway. I think one of my teachers stated it well: a few steps forward, then one step back. Accept the change. Listen to half of the country for 4 years. They elected Trump.

 

[xanisha]

Trump is also one of the most pro-LGBT Republican candidates in history

This is not true please take that statement back.
go to 2:20 and you can hear his own words on several different occasions of him saying that he wants to repeal gay marriage and that he doesn't support it. (I tried to find one video with several different examples)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G2HMe_txXE

Also in case you say he is the least racist person. Here is a video where he says that he doesn't know what the KKk is and refuses to condemn their actions. And later he gives a half-baked I disavow statement about David Duke's support.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-declines-to-condemn-ku-klux-klan-219927

 

[Cory]

Oh remember when Hillary called black people "super predators"
and clinton opposed gay marriage too

 

[xanisha]

Oh remember when Hillary called black people "super predators"
and clinton opposed gay marriage too

Please check your facts, her Full quote from 1996:
"But we also have to have an organized effort against gangs," "Just as in a previous generation we had an organized effort against the mob. We need to take these people on. They are often connected to big drug cartels, they are not just gangs of kids anymore. They are often the kinds of kids that are called superpredators ? no conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first, we have to bring them to heel."
The video clip in case you want to double check your facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uCrA7ePno

 

[ToxiFoxy]

This is not true please take that statement back.
go to 2:20 and you can hear his own words on several different occasions of him saying that he wants to repeal gay marriage and that he doesn't support it. (I tried to find one video with several different examples)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G2HMe_txXE

This is entirely true. Trump doesn't support same sex marriage.
{x} This is a website that shows the candidate's views on certain topics, and Trump clearly stated he was against same sex marriage.

 

[xanisha]

This is entirely true. Trump doesn't support same sex marriage.
{x} This is a website that shows the candidate's views on certain topics, and Trump clearly stated he was against same sex marriage.

I also find it gross that he want's to defund planned parenthood. Also he wants some form of punishment for women who get abortions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Jpoecf0xY

 

[-Apples-]

Another reason why Trump won and Clinton lost is because the election isn't based after total popularity of one candidate. To win a presidential election, it's based after two factors. They are electoral votes and voter turnout. You may already know about the electoral votes where one needs to win 270 votes to win the election, as the electoral votes, combined with the winner-take-all system, are won if the president wins the popular vote for one state. But for the other part, the actual voting population determines who takes office. If the election is based on popular vote of the entire nation with everybody (ages 5 to 115) voting either Trump or Hillary, then Hillary Clinton would've easily won the election. But due to voting obstacles (such as work or lack of polling stations), age restrictions, and people who don't want to vote, the voter turnout (which is always lower than the total population) becomes the key factor. Either one alone isn't gonna work, but both combined really affects the election. If the voter turnout in a state is higher on one party, the candidate of the same party will win all electoral votes, regardless of whether the urban counties have more people or if there are more rural counties. Some states will always vote Democrat as other states always vote Republican, so to win an election, the fate is determined by the battleground states, also known as the swing states. Florida and Ohio have forever been major battleground states, but the fact that Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin (traditionally Democrat states) became swing states, it gave Trump a chance to win. Granted, Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina were swing states this year, but even they got swept by a Republican. Our popular vote nationwide shows that we rather have Hillary than Trump, but the voter turnout in the battleground states lead Trump to his victory.

 

[Bowie]

Not sure if you guys are interested, but there is a petition to get the Electoral College to vote in Hilary instead of Trump. Hilary won the popular vote by a single number, but the Electoral College voted Trump in instead, so technically Hilary won the people.

From the petition:

"24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states."

Big names such as Lady Gaga have been encouraging people to sign the petition, so there's a good chance it will reach its signature requirement (1,000,000). Currently, the number of signatures is 91,191, so not many more to go!

Click here to visit the petition!

 

[piichinu]

Not sure if you guys are interested, but there is a petition to get the Electoral College to vote in Hilary instead of Trump. Hilary won the popular vote by a single number, but the Electoral College voted Trump in instead, so technically Hilary won the people.

From the petition:

"24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states."

Big names such as Lady Gaga have been encouraging people to sign the petition, so there's a good chance it will reach its signature requirement (1,000,000). Currently, the number of signatures is 91,191, so not many more to go!

Click here to visit the petition!

Dude. This is ****ing illegal in most states. And even with money PARTY LOYALISTS WILL NOT FLIP. Theyre not obligated to listen to some dumb petition at all.

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+ 1 million signatures only?? Like 100+ million voted. That's ridiculous.

 

[Bowie]

Dude. This is ****ing illegal in most states. And even with money PARTY LOYALISTS WILL NOT FLIP. Theyre not obligated to listen to some dumb petition at all.

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+ 1 million signatures only?? Like 10+ million voted. That's ridiculous.

I'm just sharing the information. Like I said, not everyone will be interested.