Politics General Discussion Thread - "USA Presidential Election 2016" Editon

[Cory]

Not sure if you guys are interested, but there is a petition to get the Electoral College to vote in Hilary instead of Trump. Hilary won the popular vote by a single number, but the Electoral College voted Trump in instead, so technically Hilary won the people.

From the petition:

"24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states."

Big names such as Lady Gaga have been encouraging people to sign the petition, so there's a good chance it will reach its signature requirement (1,000,000). Currently, the number of signatures is 91,191, so not many more to go!

Click here to visit the petition!

this is stupid. deal with it. he won. he should have won. he would be a better president than Hillary. people should deal with it. they are the ones that are the problem. not trump

 

[Munyo]

I'm just sharing the information. Like I said, not everyone will be interested.

The petition is increasing in numbers quickly.
It seems like once they reach a certain number, a new milestone is set.

 

[KermitTea]

This is not true please take that statement back.
go to 2:20 and you can hear his own words on several different occasions of him saying that he wants to repeal gay marriage and that he doesn't support it. (I tried to find one video with several different examples)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G2HMe_txXE

Also in case you say he is the least racist person. Here is a video where he says that he doesn't know what the KKk is and refuses to condemn their actions. And later he gives a half-baked I disavow statement about David Duke's support.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/trump-declines-to-condemn-ku-klux-klan-219927

From what he has said at the rallies, he wants to leave the issue of gay marriage up to the states and appoint a conservative SC judge to fill Scalia's place.
Please find me 2 more pro-LGBT Republican presidential candidates than Trump during their campaign.
I didn't say he was fully pro-LGBT. I said, out of all the Republican presidential candidates in history, he is one of the most pro-LGBT.
And I mean past the primaries.

 

[Reindeer]

Not sure if you guys are interested, but there is a petition to get the Electoral College to vote in Hilary instead of Trump. Hilary won the popular vote by a single number, but the Electoral College voted Trump in instead, so technically Hilary won the people.

From the petition:

"24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states."

Big names such as Lady Gaga have been encouraging people to sign the petition, so there's a good chance it will reach its signature requirement (1,000,000). Currently, the number of signatures is 91,191, so not many more to go!

Click here to visit the petition!

this is just as undignified as the petition the bremain camp signed en masse after the brexit referendum. it's denouncing democracy when it's not going your way. it's acting like children.

+ 1 million signatures only?? Like 10+ million voted. That's ridiculous.

nearly 120 million.



anyway, it's not the case of how donald trump won, it's how hillary clinton lost. trump got about as many votes as mccain in 2008 and romney in 2012. clinton had 5 million fewer voters than obama had in 2012. that doesn't just happen, so instead of immediately creating the "america is racist/sexist/xenophobic/other word that lost its meaning" strawman, take a good long look at hillary clinton and try to figure out how 5 million people became so disenfranchised that they refused to vote for her.

trump didn't have a major win. clinton just had a major loss.

 

[Soigne]

listen i don't like trump whatsoever but it's an election for a reason. there was no foul play in the voting. hillary lost. that is the reality that we must deal with, you can't just petition to get the results changed because you don't like it. otherwise what is the point of an election in the first place?

if we truly don't like this, it's time to move on to the 2020 election and garner support for potential candidates now.

 

[Cory]

its karma for her rigging the primaries and being a terrible person in general

 

[KermitTea]

Ivanka 2020

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its karma for her rigging the primaries and being a terrible person in general

Yes, she rigged the primaries HARD. And look what she did to Haiti. She might've used to be a good person, but the corruption got to her. Not saying she's a bad person necessarily (we still don't know everything) but she's definitely got a hidden agenda.

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this is stupid. deal with it. he won. he should have won. he would be a better president than Hillary. people should deal with it. they are the ones that are the problem. not trump

Glad to see someone else speaking their mind!!! *hi fives*
Although I do think / wish Trump would take back a few things he said and revise some positions.

 

[xanisha]

From what he has said at the rallies, he wants to leave the issue of gay marriage up to the states and appoint a conservative SC judge to fill Scalia's place.
Please find me 2 more pro-LGBT Republican presidential candidates than Trump.
I didn't say he was fully pro-LGBT. I said, out of all the Republican presidential candidates in history, he is one of the most pro-LGBT.

The only thing I know about his Supreme court judge pick is that he wants to appoint someone to over turn the Roe v. Wade ruling: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/supreme-court-vacancy-donald-trump/
Also I can't pick a single pro-LGBT republican candidate let alone Trump, because almost all republicans have the same position on gay marriage and other rights. Trump is no better than any other potential republican candidate so to say he is the most pro-LGBT is incorrect.

 

[KermitTea]

The only thing I know about his Supreme court judge pick is that he wants to appoint someone to over turn the Roe v. Wade ruling: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/supreme-court-vacancy-donald-trump/
Also I can't pick a single pro-LGBT republican candidate let alone Trump, because almost all republicans have the same position on gay marriage and other rights. Trump is no better than any other potential republican candidate so to say he is the most pro-LGBT is incorrect.

So letting the states decide is no better than banning it altogether? Alright

 

[dierefuji]

Not sure if you guys are interested, but there is a petition to get the Electoral College to vote in Hilary instead of Trump. Hilary won the popular vote by a single number, but the Electoral College voted Trump in instead, so technically Hilary won the people.

From the petition:

"24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states."

Big names such as Lady Gaga have been encouraging people to sign the petition, so there's a good chance it will reach its signature requirement (1,000,000). Currently, the number of signatures is 91,191, so not many more to go!

Click here to visit the petition!

yeah lets change the constitution with just a petition so easy

this is just as undignified as the petition the bremain camp signed en masse after the brexit referendum. it's denouncing democracy when it's not going your way. it's acting like children.

this tbh fam

 

[KermitTea]

Also, this is a great read for those of you who can't understand why people vote Trump. The title is "I'm a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted Trump." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?tid=sm_fb

 

[xanisha]

So letting the states decide is no better than banning it altogether? Alright

States should have no say weather a person can get married, have an abortion or intervene in our private rights. Things get messy when states individually decide things, I think our policies on abortion and marriage should stay the same, they aren't hurting anyone so why try to give states power over issues that already have been made constitutionally legal.

 

[-Apples-]

this is just as undignified as the petition the bremain camp signed en masse after the brexit referendum. it's denouncing democracy when it's not going your way. it's acting like children.

Right. It's actually anti-democratic to do such a thing. Despite what each candidate said this year, as well as Obama, they aren't going to defy this. They are acting like they're in a team they should represent. Whoever's suggesting it is too inexperienced in politics.

anyway, it's not the case of how donald trump won, it's how hillary clinton lost. trump got about as many votes as mccain in 2008 and romney in 2012. clinton had 5 million fewer voters than obama had in 2012. that doesn't just happen, so instead of immediately creating the "america is racist/sexist/xenophobic/other word that lost its meaning" strawman, take a good long look at hillary clinton and try to figure out how 5 million people became so disenfranchised that they refused to vote for her.

trump didn't have a major win. clinton just had a major loss.

I can see, but like I said, the combination of the voter turnout and electoral votes was the actual reason why Hillary lost. California, New York, Massachusetts, and DC are major liberal strongholds, but even more people voting democrat in these states isn't gonna help their candidate win. She was also able to retain the rest of the New England states, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii, New Mexico, Minnesota, Delaware, Maryland, and New Jersey. That gave her a lot of electoral votes, but by losing Wisconsin, Michigan, and even Pennsylvania, she lost the election. Those were key states to the Democratic Party for many years. So it's not about the popular vote overall. It was the popular vote in those three states, as well as in Florida and Ohio, that costed her the election.

its karma for her rigging the primaries and being a terrible person in general

Sorry to say, but this is not a karma issue. She would've still lost, even if she didn't rig the primaries. So next time someone you hate gets something bad, don't throw the karma card inside.

 

[Cory]

Also, this is a great read for those of you who can't understand why people vote Trump. The title is "I'm a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted Trump." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?tid=sm_fb

Very good read
shows a different perspective of actual people instead of what the media portrays all of them as

 

[-Apples-]

States should have no say weather a person can get married, have an abortion or intervene in our private rights. Things get messy when states individually decide things, I think our policies on abortion and marriage should stay the same, they aren't hurting anyone so why try to give states power over issues that already have been made constitutionally legal.

The people should use their common sense. If they don't like the states that ban same-sex marriage, then they should move to another state, where same-sex marriage is legal. If they don't like laws against abortion, then they should move to a state where abortion is legal. They should not let the weather influence where they live. Texas is a very business friendly, and not too strict on gun laws, but if there's anything in Texas that sucks big time, it has to be the weather. I think Texas has the worst weather in all 50 states. Even the South has bad weather compared to the rest of our country, but I would rather live in the South for political reasons.

 

[Jacob]

The petition thing won't do squat because any form of political voting will only be accepted officially through non-network based polling options. That petition could easily be hacked and have thousands of names added to it.

That's why there are polling machines and not computers on election day

 

[-Apples-]

The petition thing won't do squat because any form of political voting will only be accepted officially through non-network based polling options. That petition could easily be hacked and have thousands of names added to it.

That's why there are polling machines and not computers on election day

And paper voting. Even in a time with advanced technology, people still have paper ballots.

 

[xanisha]

The people should use their common sense. They don't like the states that ban same-sex marriage, then move to another state. If they don't like laws against abortion, they should move to a state where abortion is legal. They should not let the weather influence where they live. Texas is a very business friendly, and not too strict on gun laws, but if there's anything in Texas that sucks big time, it has to be the weather. I think Texas has the worst weather in all 50 states. Even the South has bad weather compared to the rest of our country, but I would rather live in the South for political reasons.

I shouldn't have to cross state lines to get an abortion. If states are in control they could entirely rule out abortion no matter the reason (like a deformed fetus, unviable fetus, rape, incest) and that can be very dangerous for multiple reasons. I also shouldn't have to move to another state to have a same sex marriage. Plus if all 50 states ban both of those where would everyone go. The point is not having the common sense to uproot your life and move to another state (which is ridiculous and not comparable to the weather). The point is to realize that we need equal rights for all races, religions, and genders, no matter what state you live in.

 

[pocky]

Also, this is a great read for those of you who can't understand why people vote Trump. The title is "I'm a Muslim, a woman and an immigrant. I voted Trump." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?tid=sm_fb

Two of the biggest Trump supporters I know are Hispanic female immigrants. As a latina immigrant myself I just don't get it.

 

[Bowie]

Do I belong on another planet? Surely everyone should have the right to love and marry whoever they want, no matter where they are. There shouldn't be a "either banned or state decision" option. It should be common sense.

What next? Marriage to anyone is illegal in every state except this one, this one, and this one? It's okay to murder in this state, this state, and this state? Get your abortions here, everyone!

So dumb.