Politics General Discussion Thread - "USA Presidential Election 2016" Editon

[xanisha]

Do I belong on another planet? Surely everyone should have the right to love and marry whoever they want, no matter where they are. There shouldn't be a "either banned or state decision" option. It should be common sense.

What next? Marriage to anyone is illegal in every state except this one, this one, and this one? It's okay to murder in this state, this state, and this state? Get your abortions here, everyone!

So dumb.

Right?! I have no idea how anyone can say "just move to another state if you cant do certain things here". I find it mind blowing that people want the states to decide, when marriage and abortions are already legal in every state.

 

[KermitTea]

Two of the biggest Trump supporters I know are Hispanic female immigrants. As a latina immigrant myself I just don't get it.

I'll try to help.

1) LEGAL immigration. If you are a legal immigrant, went through a long and arduous process, and you see a bunch of people coming in illegally and still getting benefits, and you get to pick between a candidate that proposes to allow more/do nothing about illegal immigrants / streamline illegal immigrant citizenship process, between a candidate that wants to stop illegal immigration, I know I would pick the latter.
2) Corruption. I think everyone, or mostly everyone, would like a government free of most corruption. The Clinton foundation is one of the most corrupt organisations ever. See Wikileaks. It goes so far and the Podesta/DNC emails cover so little of this crazy machine.
3) Healthcare. You can't deny Obamacare rates are going up way too high. I actually think Trump's healthcare plan is quite sound.
4) Economy. A lot of Chinese immigrants that I know highly admire Trump for this aspect. Yes, his businesses went bankrupt, but everyone fails some point in their life. They admire that he got back up, that he kept fighting, that he grew the company so much.
5) Research. There are so many stories of Trump doing good deeds that the media never talks about. I have a friend, who said that her uncle worked as a janitor at Trump Tower (they are Hispanic). Trump treated her uncle and other workers to dinner and her uncle said Trump was one of the most down to earth businessmen he had ever met. This is years ago, by the way.
6) Consistency. On most policies, Trump has been saying the same thing for the past 30 years.

Those are a few reasons. I'm sure there are many others.

 

[-Apples-]

I shouldn't have to cross state lines to get an abortion. If states are in control they could entirely rule out abortion no matter the reason (like a deformed fetus, unviable fetus, rape, incest) and that can be very dangerous for multiple reasons. I also shouldn't have to move to another state to have a same sex marriage. Plus if all 50 states ban both of those where would everyone go. The point is not having the common sense to uproot your life and move to another state (which is ridiculous and not comparable to the weather). The point is to realize that we need equal rights for all races, religions, and genders, no matter what state you live in.

You may be right, but one social issue I agree with the Republicans on is abortion. And I wouldn't force people to move to some place that agrees with them. They just need to vote with their feet.

 

[chibibunnyx]

How about we all just hope he doesn't actually do half the dumb crap he has spoken about doing, and hopefully congress doesn't pay mind to his ridiculous ideas and only the ones that actually make sense. At least that's what I'm hoping for now that it's over and done with anyway.

This thread is sad. & politics is just straight up toxic. Sadly we have to follow it to know how badly we're getting screwed over. All we can hope for is that he is educated enough to let go of some of the ignorance he has and maybe win some of the people he offended back. OR hope 2020 comes hell of a lot quicker.

 

[Bowie]

Michelle for 2020, please.

 

[ams]

Congrats guys. I think you've officially chased the last of the mods away.

 

[chibibunnyx]

Michelle for 2020, please.

I second that minus Obamacare, lol I can do without it

 

[KermitTea]

How about we all just hope he doesn't actually do half the dumb crap he has spoken about doing, and hopefully congress doesn't pay mind to his ridiculous ideas and only the ones that actually make sense. At least that's what I'm hoping for now that it's over and done with anyway.

This thread is sad. & politics is just straight up toxic. Sadly we have to follow it to know how badly we're getting screwed over. All we can hope for is that he is educated enough to let go of some of the ignorance he has and maybe win some of the people he offended back. OR hope 2020 comes hell of a lot quicker.

How about you and everyone else give him a chance?
Edit: you do imply that in the beginning. Message to everyone else who is worried af.

 

[piichinu]

i was listening to npr today and they said if trump can't ban muslims specifically he might be banning refugees from specific regions altogether. two of the examples they gave were saudi arabia and syria. imo this is good, i dont think its really safe to keep bringing in refugees (although its an issue i dont really care about now). i have family in syria (christians so theyre EXTRA targeted by ISIS and muslim groups that oppose the syrian government), and was talking 2 them earlier and even they think thats a good idea. theyve seen it all around them and they know that its not safe anymore. my mother agrees w that sentiment as well.

 

[chibibunnyx]

How about you and everyone else give him a chance?
Edit: you do imply that in the beginning. Message to everyone else who is worried af.

Yeah at the end of the day, all we can do is wait and see. I'm just saying I hope the next four yrs ain't full of walls and wtf. He makes sense is some points. I just hope he cuts the ridiculous ones out.

 

[KermitTea]

I think the real question about refugees is whether you want to be morally good to others or morally good to your country. I personally think that many refugees deserve a better life and we should take them in, but when you think of all the hidden ISIS / terrorists that flood in as well that endanger many lives, I don't mind putting a halt to the refugee program for now.

And to take it further, the refugee program is just human redistribution. It's helping other countries at the expense of first world countries (look at the state of Germany right now). Honestly, it WILL damage the nation. But it's morally good, so there's that. Unless you're like Australia, and only allow skilled female / young skilled male refugees to enter

 

[Cory]

Yeah at the end of the day, all we can do is wait and see. I'm just saying I hope the next four yrs ain't full of walls and wtf. He makes sense is some points. I just hope he cuts the ridiculous ones out.

trust me, you'd rather have trump than pence
pence is an actual lunatic

 

[KermitTea]

trust me, you'd rather have trump than pence
pence is an actual lunatic

True, I don't really like Pence esp his stance on issues. But Kaine is much worse than Pence lololol in terms of appearance and the way he speaks
Tbh after the VP debate I haven't listened to Kaine and I have little idea where he stands on issues although I can safely assume it'll be similar to Hillary so yeah I probably don't like him

 

[xanisha]

How about we all just hope he doesn't actually do half the dumb crap he has spoken about doing, and hopefully congress doesn't pay mind to his ridiculous ideas and only the ones that actually make sense. At least that's what I'm hoping for now that it's over and done with anyway.

This thread is sad. & politics is just straight up toxic. Sadly we have to follow it to know how badly we're getting screwed over. All we can hope for is that he is educated enough to let go of some of the ignorance he has and maybe win some of the people he offended back. OR hope 2020 comes hell of a lot quicker.

As a man who lived through the civil rights era, he doesn't know what the KKK is so he is not that educated. I just hope now that he is the president elect he won't say racist things, condone sexual assault, or make fun of disabled people anymore because if people see the president acting like that it sets a poor standard. I think now that he got the racist, sexist, religious zealot voters he wanted (not all his voters are like, this but at certain points he really catered to voters like this), he probably wont be as bigoted as he has been.

 

[KermitTea]

As a man who lived through the civil rights era, he doesn't know what the KKK is so he is not that educated. I just hope now that he is the president elect he won't say racist things, condone sexual assault, or make fun of disabled people anymore because if people see the president acting like that it sets a poor standard. I think now that he got the racist, sexist, religious zealot voters he wanted (not all his voters are like, this but at certain points he really catered to voters like this), he probably wont be as bigoted as he has been.

I hope you see the irony in your post
1) He graduated from Wharton
2) Wikileaks
3) Bill Clinton and lolita express
4) Deplorables and basement dwellers
5) Wikileaks

Response to your points in that order.

 

[xanisha]

I hope you see the irony in your post
1) He graduated from Wharton
2) Wikileaks
3) Bill Clinton and lolita express
4) Deplorables and basement dwellers
5) Wikileaks

Response to your points in that order.

I mean educated on social issues you must admit it is odd that a 70 year old man has no idea about the KKK. I have never been on Hilary's side I am just in favor of equality not hatred. At some point you must admit that Trump has said racist things and that he has a significant number of white supremacist voters.

 

[KermitTea]

I mean educated on social issues you must admit it is odd that a 70 year old man has no idea about the KKK. I have never been on Hilary's side I am just in favor of equality not hatred. At some point you must admit that Trump has said racist things and that he has a significant number of white supremacist voters.

Alright, I'll let you slide. But he does know what the KKK is lol
And yes sometimes he has worded stuff very badly but I believe he's good at heart and has best intentions for America and other voters have felt the same

 

[xanisha]

Alright, I'll let you slide. But he does know what the KKK is lol
And yes sometimes he has worded stuff very badly but I believe he's good at heart and has best intentions for America

You should check out the link I quoted you with awhile back. As a person of color I find the support that the KKK gives to him and the things he has said about their organization to be really disturbing. 13% of the country is African American and the moment this man could not say he hates an organization who used to murder, rape, and terrorize a whole group of people makes me cringe, in all honesty it's one of the biggest issue that I have with him. (that and abortions and gay marriage and his environmental policies).

 

[L. Lawliet]

What do you all think of the protests?

I think its dumb and an insult to democracy.
California wanting to succeed is funny though. They want to be a country, yet they buy water from AZ and NV cause they don't have any.

 

[chibibunnyx]

What do you all think of the protests?

I think its dumb and an insult to democracy.
California wanting to succeed is funny though. They want to be a country, yet they buy water from AZ and NV cause they don't have any.

I agree, it doesn't help. Peaceful protests yes, I am with. But they are voicing their opinions entirely the wrong way. And idiots are using social media to be trolls on both parts (the amount of stupid memes I have seen... mannnn). It's like people don't know what peace is anymore.