Sad about the online won't be free anymore Nintendo Switch

[Lancelot]

Is it just switch that'll be paid online or will Nintendo 3ds and wii u require a paid subscription as well?

Why would they

 

[lars708]

Is it just switch that'll be paid online or will Nintendo 3ds and wii u require a paid subscription as well?

Only Nintendo Switch! But who knows how long they'll keep the Nintendo Network service running.

 

[JCnator]

Is it just switch that'll be paid online or will Nintendo 3ds and wii u require a paid subscription as well?

The paid online gaming service only applies to Nintendo Switch.
Both 3DS and Wii U are part of the completely free Nintendo Network service.

 

[matt]

Why would they

Because Animal Crossing New Leaf is still incredibly popular, and perhaps half of people still use their 3ds regularly, myself included
My 3ds is hooked up to the same NNID as on switch

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Thanks for clarifying

 

[Mr_Persona]

This statement right here proves why Nintendo needs paid servers lol congrats contradicting yourself

I'm not saying its right to pay for online dude, so don't be happy for me.

 

[Antonio]

I'm surprised no one had stated this point: If you don't like the cost for online subscription then don't buy it. Not like they are forcing you to buy it.

 

[ForgottenT]

I'm surprised no one had stated this point: If you don't like the cost for online subscription then don't buy it. Not like they are forcing you to buy it.

While I am for paying them for access to better servers saying that nobody is forced to pay for it is not a valid point, games like Splatoon 2 is basically online only, you can't even purchase gear, or weapons unless you're online.

 

[Vonny]

I'm surprised no one had stated this point: If you don't like the cost for online subscription then don't buy it. Not like they are forcing you to buy it.

This is nonsenses. Yes they are unless you have another way of playing online that we don’t know about

Anyway it’s bad because: friend codes, broken smart phone voice chat, no communication whatsoever, losing connection is common and hackers were everywhere on Wii. They’re charging us for crappy online that hasn’t improved in over a decade so it’s hard to believe that it will. Hopefully it does.

I did all my complaining last year and I’ve accepted defeat. I will be paying to play online because it’s cheap enough. Rip to all the children out there and people with self control

 

[JCnator]

While I am for paying them for access to better servers saying that nobody is forced to pay for it is not a valid point, games like Splatoon 2 is basically online only, you can't even purchase gear, or weapons unless you're online.

Games that emphasize online play over local only take up a small percentage of the library. If you’re not settling for the paid online membership, then you might want to consider steering clear of said titles.

Splatoon 2 might have a much larger focus on the online multiplayer aspect, mainly because it’s tricky to have all 8 players in the same room. However, the single-player campaign this time is more compelling than the previous installment. And that’s not mentioning the Octo Expansion, which adds another campaign filled with stages.

 

[Alienfish]

I'm surprised no one had stated this point: If you don't like the cost for online subscription then don't buy it. Not like they are forcing you to buy it.

Because the majority of the fun games are totally offline worthy *cough mk8d and saltoon cough*

Jesus, pointless statements. We just think it's stupid for a reason and they should never have jumped on the bandwagon becasue "lol money".

 

[ForgottenT]

Games that emphasize online play over local only take up a small percentage of the library. If you’re not settling for the paid online membership, then it’s best to steer clear of said titles.

Splatoon 2 might have a much larger focus on the online multiplayer aspect, mainly because it’s tricky to have all 8 players in the same room. However, the single-player campaign this time is more compelling than the previous installment. And that’s not mentioning the Octo Expansion, which adds another campaign filled with stages.

So what? It still makes their point invalid, people are forced to pay if they want to play the game they already own.

DLC does not count, it's not part of the game, its sold seperately.
And the singleplayer can hardly be considered compelling, don't lie you know people only buy the game for online, a big part of the community haven't even played the campaign, and the people who care about the campaign only do so because they get special skins in multiplayer, or coupons for multiplayer.
And again you can't even aquire gear, or weapons for local games without being online, or levels for that matter.

As I said I'm one of the few people who are for paid improved servers, but don't sugarcoat it with sorry attempts at shooting down the other side.

Excuses like "nobody is forcing you" Or "Campaign" or "DLC Campaigns" have no place in a serious discussion, at least not when talking about a competetive online focused game.

And while a lot of us knew about the paid online coming for a long time a lot of people didn't, and they either bought the system, or were gifted the system without that information, and I can understand their frustration, although I think it's for the best.

 

[Alienfish]

I highly doubt servers will be better to be honest. I mean their servers have always been crap and too dependent on how your internet works, not to mention all those "environment" error code just because you sit in your favourite chair and can't connect (even though it might have to do with your home environment too most phones and computers etc. work fine regardless). And yeah of course people buy for online, guess why people don't really play on Wii/DS anymore :^)

 

[Bcat]

ugh. just another strike against the switch in my book but when they shut down online for the wii u I might not have a choice but to buy one if i want to play mario kart online like i enjoy doing

 

[Ably.Saucey]

$20 for an entire year is completely reasonable and pretty cheap price, I pay $8 a month for my Scribd (audiobooks) membership.
It simply boils down to whether it's worth it to you or not to buy it, if not, then ok, if so, then ok.
Yeah, so you've bought the console, games and the internet you use for it; but if you bought a car, bought fuel and insurance, you'd still have to pay someone to service it every once it a while. (and it's waaay more than $20)
When I bought my new 2ds, I swore myself off buying frivolous snacks for 6 months, (which probably equals $150) to rationalize it.
"hmm, this is expensive but I really want it"
*in my head* buy it, you'd just spend the money on chips anyway
"That's true, it's much better in the long run"
** but chips though
"shut up"

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No, I'm not completely sane, thanks for asking...

 

[Cress]

Anyway it?s bad because: friend codes, broken smart phone voice chat, no communication whatsoever, losing connection is common and hackers were everywhere on Wii.

I'm just going to copypaste something I typed in another thread.

Playing with hackers will not be a problem since you can easily report people on the Switch. And considering some people have been banned for inksacking in Splat 2, hacking will be an almost instant ban. Hacking wasn't really a problem with the Wii U before either since again, you could report people fairly easily (through Miiverse, but that's dead now and Ninty doesn't care about the Wii U at all so maybe they're more active on there again).

Hacking was so bad on the Wii since the process to report people was such an annoying process that nobody wanted to do. You had to get the name of the player, the game you were playing, the time you were playing, what they did, and any other relevant details (like the stage you were playing on, what characters each of you were, or whatever questions that apply to the game in question); then call Nintendo and sluggishly relay all of that info over to them. And even then, there's no way of knowing if the person got banned or not.

 

[Envy]

I'm surprised no one had stated this point: If you don't like the cost for online subscription then don't buy it. Not like they are forcing you to buy it.

I'm also surprised it hadn't been stated in this topic, but for different reasons from you. "If you don't like it, don't buy it" is just a snide, dismissive statement that doesn't get anyone anywhere. Besides, it should be obvious that you're posting in a forum of Nintendo fans who want to continue playing online in games like Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Mario Kart, etc. We've been playing these games online for over a decade now. Sure it isn't forced on us persay. No one is standing there pointing a gun at our heads, but that just doesn't really get to the point... There will be no way to play games like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and Splatoon 2 online without paying the money once the service begins in September. Plus, while Microsoft and Sony allow for backup through other means than paid Cloud services, Nintendo is making it something available ONLY through the service, meaning they are forcing you to pay the money to be able to back up your save files. And now it looks like they're going to stick what used to be Virtual Console behind the subscription, too (or what is left of it anyway).

The fact of the matter is that we are now required to pay for what was free before. That is something that is forced on us. It's not some added benefits for people who subscribe and pay money, we won't be able to play games online at all anymore without paying for the service. And gosh, it now even looks like we won't be able to play classic games without it, either. It's crappy.

 

[tybalt_cake]

This is nonsenses. Yes they are unless you have another way of playing online that we don’t know about

Anyway it’s bad because: friend codes, broken smart phone voice chat, no communication whatsoever, losing connection is common and hackers were everywhere on Wii. They’re charging us for crappy online that hasn’t improved in over a decade so it’s hard to believe that it will. Hopefully it does.

I did all my complaining last year and I’ve accepted defeat. I will be paying to play online because it’s cheap enough. Rip to all the children out there and people with self control

Playing with hackers that cheat will not be a problem since you can easily report people on the Switch. And considering some people have been banned for inksacking in Splat 2, hacking will be an almost instant ban. Hacking wasn't really a problem with the Wii U before either since again, you could report people fairly easily (through Miiverse, but that's dead now and Ninty doesn't care about the Wii U at all so maybe they're more active on there again).

Hacking was so bad on the Wii since the process to report people was such an annoying process that nobody wanted to do. You had to get the name of the player, the game you were playing, the time you were playing, what they did, and any other relevant details (like the stage you were playing on, what characters each of you were, or whatever questions that apply to the game in question); then call Nintendo and sluggishly relay all of that info over to them. And even then, there's no way of knowing if the person got banned or not.

i also wanted to add something to this , hacking the switch will take ATLEAST until 2023-2024 , by that time , we all should have forgotten the switch and moved to a new console.
im saying this because as someone who used to a be a lot into homebrew and hacks last year (no , i did not cheated online) , the switch is still a really complex system to hack and its not easy to hack a console.

By 2008 the Wii had a lot of hacks for everyone already (after 2 years of its release) but that is because the Wii IS SUPER EASY to hack and because the security of the Wii was so poor , and even after the updates Nintendo launched for the Wii software to avoid hacking , the last update it had was on 2010 , which made it even easier to hack.

By 2012 the Wii U was more complicated to hack and also has an online service that would insta ban you if you tried to hack. The Wii U didnt had hacks for everyone until mid-2017 , when the Switch was already out

So now , the Switch is EVEN MORE complicated and probably has a stricter way about banning hackers , so seeing people hacking online by 2019 is not possible (unless a lot of effort is really put into.) , not to mention that hackers are and will always be a minority , which means even if hacks are available for everyone on Late 2018 , they will be a minority you will barely see.

tl;dr = dont put in the list of why switch online services are bad just because of a minority that was on the Wii (and a minority that wont come back until 2023-2025 , because the switch is hard to hack.)

 

[Matt0106]

Personally, I believe that Nintendo has every right to charge money. As many people have said, the online community is growing, and Nintendo is a simple gaming company. They cannot afford to pay for all these online services themselves, and while Switch sales mean more money, it also means more people playing online, meaning more money has to go into these servers. It is not stupid; it is efficient, AND you're getting a few free NES games every month and cloud saves (thank goodness). Not too bad of a deal for $20. Just be grateful that they did not charge $60, because they could have if they wanted to.

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Because the majority of the fun games are totally offline worthy *cough mk8d and saltoon cough*

Jesus, pointless statements. We just think it's stupid for a reason and they should never have jumped on the bandwagon becasue "lol money".

Listen, no one is forcing you to buy this. Nintendo has every right to do what they want. One person refusing to buy it because they think Nintendo is only in it for the money (which they are not because they would have charged more like Sony and Microsoft) is not going to affect them. You are also getting free NES games every month that will be given some online functionality, so believe me, our statements are not pointless. It's a well-known fact that stuff that connects WIRELESSLY to SATELLITES up in SPACE (think about how amazing that is for a second) costs money. Sorry you took the free services for granted, but it's only going to get worse with the growing Switch community (Fun fact: Splatoon 2 sold more than 6 Million copies and MK8D sold 9 Million, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING ONLINE).

 

[ForgottenT]

i also wanted to add something to this , hacking the switch will take ATLEAST until 2023-2024 , by that time , we all should have forgotten the switch and moved to a new console.
im saying this because as someone who used to a be a lot into homebrew and hacks last year (no , i did not cheated online) , the switch is still a really complex system to hack and its not easy to hack a console.

By 2008 the Wii had a lot of hacks for everyone already (after 2 years of its release) but that is because the Wii IS SUPER EASY to hack and because the security of the Wii was so poor , and even after the updates Nintendo launched for the Wii software to avoid hacking , the last update it had was on 2010 , which made it even easier to hack.

By 2012 the Wii U was more complicated to hack and also has an online service that would insta ban you if you tried to hack. The Wii U didnt had hacks for everyone until mid-2017 , when the Switch was already out

So now , the Switch is EVEN MORE complicated and probably has a stricter way about banning hackers , so seeing people hacking online by 2019 is not possible (unless a lot of effort is really put into.) , not to mention that hackers are and will always be a minority , which means even if hacks are available for everyone on Late 2018 , they will be a minority you will barely see.

tl;dr = dont put in the list of why switch online services are bad just because of a minority that was on the Wii (and a minority that wont come back until 2023-2025 , because the switch is hard to hack.)

The Switch have already been hacked for a while, and if anything it's EASIER since it's using a well known chip, basically more PC like.
On top of that the vulnerability on the Switch cannot be fixed with software updates, meaning every single Switch on the market right now regardless of software version can be hacked, and Nintendo can do nothing about it, although they're gonna put new chips without the vulnerability into the systems going forward, but the damage have already been done, anyone right now can install homebrew on their Switch, and it have been known for quite a while.
Of course doing it risks bricking your system, and there's not many applications yet other than emulators, even saw a guy running Linux on his Switch lol.

 

[tybalt_cake]

The Switch have already been hacked for a while, and if anything it's EASIER since it's using a well known chip, basically more PC like.
On top of that the vulnerability on the Switch cannot be fixed with software updates, meaning every single Switch on the market right now regardless of software version can be hacked, and Nintendo can do nothing about it, although they're gonna put new chips without the vulnerability into the systems going forward, but the damage have already been done, anyone right now can install homebrew on their Switch, and it have been known for quite a while.
Of course doing it risks bricking your system, and there's not many applications yet other than emulators, even saw a guy running Linux on his Switch lol.

of course if you buy an older console you will be able to install homebrew but then again , that people are minorities