Sad about the online won't be free anymore Nintendo Switch

[Mr_Persona]

i also wanted to add something to this , hacking the switch will take ATLEAST until 2023-2024 , by that time , we all should have forgotten the switch and moved to a new console.
im saying this because as someone who used to a be a lot into homebrew and hacks last year (no , i did not cheated online) , the switch is still a really complex system to hack and its not easy to hack a console.

By 2008 the Wii had a lot of hacks for everyone already (after 2 years of its release) but that is because the Wii IS SUPER EASY to hack and because the security of the Wii was so poor , and even after the updates Nintendo launched for the Wii software to avoid hacking , the last update it had was on 2010 , which made it even easier to hack.

By 2012 the Wii U was more complicated to hack and also has an online service that would insta ban you if you tried to hack. The Wii U didnt had hacks for everyone until mid-2017 , when the Switch was already out

So now , the Switch is EVEN MORE complicated and probably has a stricter way about banning hackers , so seeing people hacking online by 2019 is not possible (unless a lot of effort is really put into.) , not to mention that hackers are and will always be a minority , which means even if hacks are available for everyone on Late 2018 , they will be a minority you will barely see.

tl;dr = dont put in the list of why switch online services are bad just because of a minority that was on the Wii (and a minority that wont come back until 2023-2025 , because the switch is hard to hack.)

Sounds like you know a lot about hacking I can see. ;]

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$20 for an entire year is completely reasonable and pretty cheap price, I pay $8 a month for my Scribd (audiobooks) membership.
It simply boils down to whether it's worth it to you or not to buy it, if not, then ok, if so, then ok.
Yeah, so you've bought the console, games and the internet you use for it; but if you bought a car, bought fuel and insurance, you'd still have to pay someone to service it every once it a while. (and it's waaay more than $20)
When I bought my new 2ds, I swore myself off buying frivolous snacks for 6 months, (which probably equals $150) to rationalize it.
"hmm, this is expensive but I really want it"
*in my head* buy it, you'd just spend the money on chips anyway
"That's true, it's much better in the long run"
** but chips though
"shut up"

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No, I'm not completely sane, thanks for asking...

So you love buying chips then anything else?

 

[ForgottenT]

of course if you buy an older console you will be able to install homebrew but then again , that people are minorities

No every Switch right now can be hacked with homebrew, and all you need are tools already found in most households.
When I say every Switch I mean literally every switch on planet earth that have been sold so far have this hardware vulnerability, and Nintendo can't get rid of it via updates.
Anyone can install homebrew, and it can never be removed, there's already hacks for Splatoon 2 too, save editors etc.

 

[lars708]

No every Switch right now can be hacked with homebrew, and all you need are tools already found in most households.
When I say every Switch I mean literally every switch on planet earth that have been sold so far have this hardware vulnerability, and Nintendo can't get rid of it via updates.
Anyone can install homebrew, and it can never be removed, there's already hacks for Splatoon 2 too, save editors etc.

Yes and what he means is that it's too complicated for the masses to make use of as of yet. Sure the systems ARE hackable, but not a lot has been accomplished yet and very few people make use of hacks at this moment.

 

[ForgottenT]

Yes and what he means is that it's too complicated for the masses to make use of as of yet. Sure the systems ARE hackable, but not a lot has been accomplished yet and very few people make use of hacks at this moment.

Yes but it's really not, not much harder than a flashcart.
Not a lot? There's already save editors, Emulators, as mentioned before people are even running Linux on the Switch, among other less noteworthy projects.
And who knows what else is in the works, the system is pretty much cracked wide open, and it's one of the simplest systems yet.

It sucks though, cause now Animal Crossing Switch will probably have a save editor not long after release.

 

[duckykate]

Lol stop calling people rude for having a different opinion than you. They need money to pay for their servers, and compared to other consoles 2 bucks a month is cheap as hell. If you could afford a 400 dollar switch you can afford this

 

[Mr_Persona]

Lol stop calling people rude for having a different opinion than you. They need money to pay for their servers, and compared to other consoles 2 bucks a month is cheap as hell. If you could afford a 400 dollar switch you can afford this

Are you talking about me

 

[Alienfish]

@ Matt0106

Please, that statement is old, and yes of course the community is growing because they are in a way forcing you guys to it since Wii U and 3DS doesn't get much nowadays. And people jumping onto new stuff immediately because "yay gaming" basically. No we are not forced to buy it, but I don't feel like supporting either current gen's console with that dumb marketing. And yeah that paid cloud is getting even worse like.. yeah how about we pay for even having the console at all

This thread probably won't lead anywhere but yeah there are more reasons than just "lol just don't buy it" to why we protest

@Envy

THANK YOU

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Lol stop calling people rude for having a different opinion than you. They need money to pay for their servers, and compared to other consoles 2 bucks a month is cheap as hell. If you could afford a 400 dollar switch you can afford this

Well as I said, why not even pay that for even owning it. All game companies are ridiculous for even pulling this. Also I guess most people got the thing on sale or not at all. It's pretty expensive, ngl.

 

[mitfy]

it kind of bums me out that you have to pay now, regardless of the circumstances. i only ever use the online features for mario kart, so it just doesn't seem worth it to me. if i had a lot of games with online features and play them often then it'd be worth it to me, but as of now i only use one. oh, i guess there's the balloon world in odyssey, too.

i basically just wanna keep playing mario kart online but not pay 20 bucks to do so.

also idk what's going on with the arguing in the thread but when you have something for free and then you're told you're going to have to pay for it, it's never fun lol.

 

[Midoriya]

I don't have a Switch YET, although I plan on getting one this year. I will not be paying for the online service, but....

Boycotting it is not going to be good because then you're taking away money Nintendo could have made, even if it was just to keep the online services going.... and you're also hurting Nintendo's credibility (not that it hasn't already been hurt in the past by PlayStation and XboxCOUGHCOUGH), which could lead to the end of the franchise itself.

I guess the important thing to remember is to get the Switch if you want to, but to not pay for online services if you do not want to pay for that. Idk, it's all a matter of opinion in this. I'm more of an objective person, but that's my basic interjection on this topic.

 

[duckykate]

Are you talking about me

yes

 

[Tinkalila]

I agree. I know some people feel that every company is doing it, but nintendo isn't offering enough features to make it reasonable to pay for. Playstation and Xbox have proper voice chat, and they have achievement systems. If nintendo isn't offering that, then I don't know why it should be paid.

 

[Moonfish]

So you love buying chips then anything else?

You missed the entire point of her post. She made a sacrifice ( tasty snacks ) in order to afford a luxury ( game system.) If your entire argument is that $20/year is too expensive and you want it you should make a sacrifice. Maybe offer to do extra chores for your parents so they will buy it for you?

 

[Mr_Persona]

yes

I'm not rude, that Monkey D is the one who is being rude.

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You missed the entire point of her post. She made a sacrifice ( tasty snacks ) in order to afford a luxury ( game system.) If your entire argument is that $20/year is too expensive and you want it you should make a sacrifice. Maybe offer to do extra chores for your parents so they will buy it for you?

What are you talking about I'm not fighting with her. And my parents only like give me a 1$ when I help them with a lot of things, anyways most of the time I don't ask money from them. I rather to help them without earning money.

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it kind of bums me out that you have to pay now, regardless of the circumstances. i only ever use the online features for mario kart, so it just doesn't seem worth it to me. if i had a lot of games with online features and play them often then it'd be worth it to me, but as of now i only use one. oh, i guess there's the balloon world in odyssey, too.

i basically just wanna keep playing mario kart online but not pay 20 bucks to do so.

also idk what's going on with the arguing in the thread but when you have something for free and then you're told you're going to have to pay for it, it's never fun lol.

I only use online for Luigi balloon world and MK8 too. And I rather pay online for one month just for MK8, because I don't really go online in that game and I'm sorry to hear that you won't able to play online on MK8 anymore. Man it sucks

 

[geetry]

$20 for a whole year is not bad at all. You need to consider the losses that Nintendo made on the WiiU. They could have easily charged for online services on the WiiU since sales went so badly to make up for their losses, but they're doing it now. You're taking the free online services for granted, remember at the end of the day this this is a gaming console, not a personal PC. Nintendo charging for online Switch services and still letting the 3DS and WiiU servers run at the same time for free is very generous of them, they could just switch off the free services all together. If you can afford a Switch, you can afford this too. Just don't go out for dinner one day this week. Or since you seem to be a younger kid, ask your parents to do chores for some cash.

 

[LambdaDelta]

I really don't care about paying for online so long as they properly moderate the ****

it's really the only reason I refuse to pay sony for their services. your "freebie" gifts and all don't mean much when my online experience is a toxic cesspool that I want nothing to do with

I mean I hardly touch online period for this reason, but an attempt to punish and remove bad faith players would go a long way in improving those chances

 

[Trent the Paladin]

While I'll probably end up paying for it at some point, I agree that $20 USD is too high to pay given Nintendo's track record with online services. As far as I'm concerned, we're only paying for NES game access and nothing substantial. Nintendo doesn't offer enough online games for us to even begin to find some value with this service, nor do I see them changing everything from P2P to dedicated servers anytime soon.

 

[Mr_Persona]

$20 for a whole year is not bad at all. You need to consider the losses that Nintendo made on the WiiU. They could have easily charged for online services on the WiiU since sales went so badly to make up for their losses, but they're doing it now. You're taking the free online services for granted, remember at the end of the day this this is a gaming console, not a personal PC. Nintendo charging for online Switch services and still letting the 3DS and WiiU servers run at the same time for free is very generous of them, they could just switch off the free services all together. If you can afford a Switch, you can afford this too. Just don't go out for dinner one day this week. Or since you seem to be a younger kid, ask your parents to do chores for some cash.

I'm not a kid and my family likes doing eat outs, so really I'm not going to pay 20$ a month every year. BECAUSE if you realize guys if you want to pay every year, your just paying 40 for 2 years, 60 for three years, 80 for 4 years, 100 for 5 years, 102 for 6 years. Its just get higher and higher, if you guys just realize that, so really you can say 20$ for a month is cheap, but what would you say about for EVERY year.

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While I'll probably end up paying for it at some point, I agree that $20 USD is too high to pay given Nintendo's track record with online services. As far as I'm concerned, we're only paying for NES game access and nothing substantial. Nintendo doesn't offer enough online games for us to even begin to find some value with this service, nor do I see them changing everything from P2P to dedicated servers anytime soon.

I agreed that they do need more online games, but they don't have a lot at all. That's why people likes the PS4 more because it has WAY more funner games and a lot of online games that people loves to play.

 

[Antonio]

Because the majority of the fun games are totally offline worthy *cough mk8d and saltoon cough*

Jesus, pointless statements. We just think it's stupid for a reason and they should never have jumped on the bandwagon becasue "lol money".

First, I was just joking. Most parents say "If you don't like xxx, then don't do/buy/etc it" and was mocking that on the thread. I'm aware of the current discussion in the thread and believe that it's 100% fair for Nintendo to collect money for online subscriptions for server hosting. Although, I believe if you don't like how things are, then you don't have to buy it. Nintendo is not making you buy these things and you can still enjoy your games without having internet connection. If you really want online modes then buy it but complaining about it wouldn't change a thing. Nintendo could use this money for better servers and $20 a year seems cheap compared to other game services.

 

[Jimmyjim]

I thought I remember them saying that online was going to cost money anyway before the Switch was released, and that this was supposed to just be them testing their servers to see if they can handle it because of all of the problems they've had in the past.

I think $20 a year for better servers is great compared to what you'd normally spend for the Xbox One or PS4. ($60 a year for PS Plus and $60 for Xbox Live)

E3 is also in a month now so a bunch of games will probably be announced and they'll probably be adding more features to current games which is why they may be finally adding a cost to use their servers.

TL;DR I'm sort of pumped rather than bummed about this tbh. Not for the cost obviously, spending more money sucks but this just means that there will probably be a reason as to why we're spending money to play online. (maybe new Animal Crossing or something? o: )

 

[Ably.Saucey]

I agree. I know some people feel that every company is doing it, but nintendo isn't offering enough features to make it reasonable to pay for. Playstation and Xbox have proper voice chat, and they have achievement systems. If nintendo isn't offering that, then I don't know why it should be paid.

Maybe with the advent of paid subscription, the online communication features will improve? I dunno, I'm not a very social person when it comes to gaming, unless it's with my friends in the same room.
I'll probably never get a switch, at least until they're not cool anymore and are cheap. ( I saw a wii and like 5 games the other for $70)