Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[Damniel]

What's that got to do with anything?
Also it really didn't seem like I was on the table for anyone, wdym yet?
I'll answer, just tell me what an existence of a wagon on me has to do with that in the slightest?

by yet i mean at that point no wagon was formed on you. why did you feel the need to claim so early when there was no reason to

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if people were voting for you i would kinda get why’d you claim but without the threat of a lynch you really just claimed for no reason

 

[Geoni]

I'm down for a Kat lynch. I assumed they were Town but their role claim was confusing to me so I claimed.

i'd still rather lynch volt but from any perspective it seems like kat is anti-town rn so i'm voting her and hoping it'll give us something no matter which way she flips

Were people not seeing that other people were willing to wagon Volt but just casually jumped onto the Kat wagon for not solving or showing drive. Like yeah that was a primary reason I placed my vote on Kat but I would want to have seen more than just Kat become a wagon when people had much deeper and more analyzed lunch preferences

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we've literally already been told in the FIRST POST that following the pursuit of role names is a bad idea. voting based on role names is literally so lazy and it basically makes the past 350 posts completely pointless

you and antonio are suddenly tunnelling super hard on arstotzkhan. if she gets lynched and flips town my pre-existing suspicions on both of you are definitely warranted

honestly even if she flips scum i'm skeptical of you both

In regards to what I bolded why is that the case?

 

[DinoTown]

by yet i mean at that point no wagon was formed on you. why did you feel the need to claim so early when there was no reason to

because at the time, I was in the middle of making the point that role name claims tell us nothing, because it's not like we had a list of roles that said "The role called Boris Johnson is a role cop working for town". I claimed because Kat's initial claim at Trump seemed - and I still believe this could have been the case - as an attempt for us to back off voting that way because of the chance that a role called Trump would be a power role.

A couple more people did it around that, including Epona, who claimed while saying claiming was a bad idea, basically, that was weird...
But anyway, more people claimed and Antonio brought up the potential pattern. Toad's mention of role names not being helpful had gone from my mind until Epona brought it up again, and at that point, the idea of a theme was a thing. I did say multiple times that now that it was a thing, the best way to handle it was to let a lynch occur and once we see the first roles, that idea would sort itself out on its own.

It's quite possible mafia had the exact same sentiment, wiping Kat to avoid the whole idea being stamped out, since we still don't know if the Trump role (which is still a weird stand-out name amongst the other things, be honest) was actually a non-town role for certain. I think I'd be leaning towards third party or mafia but no-one knows for sure.

 

[Geoni]

Everyone who jumped onto Kat after I voted had really terrible and/or underexplained justifications and is scummy. The wolf team is six people and they're all Trundle Antonio Kat Dino Seroja and epona and Bianca is the traitor.

Game solved, it was reverse mafia, kill me and win. /flex

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Teddy too. Really fooled me!

 

[Damniel]

sure if you forgot toads post fine, but why did you explicitly claim your ROLE? would your name have not been enough? after you and antonio claim townies for no reason, literally 3 other people claim townie within that hour. you acknowledge that epona brings up toads posts, but you were still persistent on lynching kat to find out a theme? why do you still think donald trump could be mafia/third party when it’s been said so many times that role names ultimately do not matter? if kat is not town it’s bc of her behavior not because of her nayou and antonio’s claims started a snowball of claims that harms town by narrowing down the snipe list for mafia. proving a theme is pointless and kat really has no reason to lie about her role name given toad’s op

 

[Geoni]

Honestly though if anyone wants to compare notes on people's vote reasonings being AI let me know because I'm getting little confidence out of it.

Just sticking to previous reads and moving people up and down. When the bottom 3 are the scumteam that'll be my real flex.

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No frigging way Kat was a wolf I'm not even entertaining it anymore after reading everyone's vote movements.

 

[Damniel]

not because of her nayou and antonio’s

not because of her name. you and*

 

[DinoTown]

sure if you forgot toads post fine, but why did you explicitly claim your ROLE? would your name have not been enough? after you and antonio claim townies for no reason, literally 3 other people claim townie within that hour. you acknowledge that epona brings up toads posts, but you were still persistent on lynching kat to find out a theme? why do you still think donald trump could be mafia/third party when it’s been said so many times that role names ultimately do not matter? if kat is not town it’s bc of her behavior not because of her nayou and antonio’s claims started a snowball of claims that harms town by narrowing down the snipe list for mafia. proving a theme is pointless and kat really has no reason to lie about her role name given toad’s op

I'm confused, when did I do anything other than say I was Billy Mays?
I wanted to lynch Kat for more reasons than the theme - lynching Kat also worked as a way to rest the matter, but I also thought that she was playing in an anti-town manner.
I don't think the Trump role is mafia or third part because of the name, I think it's mafia/third party because of Kat's playing and wiping.

 

[Damniel]

No frigging way Kat was a wolf I'm not even entertaining it anymore after reading everyone's vote movements.

why didn’t she flip at all then. do you think she was targeted? if so when?

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I'm confused, when did I do anything other than say I was Billy Mays?

green is associated with vanilla townie

 

[DinoTown]

wait, are you talking about the fact I put it in green? And green here usually means vanilla townie, and town-aligned power roles are blue? And because I put my name is green you think I was claiming VT? Because unless you mean that I don't see why you think I was claiming a role - which I didn't mean to, I'm not used to the distinction between vts and town-prs, in Madness it all comes under the green umbrella.

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you ninja'd me there

 

[Damniel]

wait, are you talking about the fact I put it in green? And green here usually means vanilla townie, and town-aligned power roles are blue? And because I put my name is green you think I was claiming VT? Because unless you mean that I don't see why you think I was claiming a role - which I didn't mean to, I'm not used to the distinction between vts and town-prs, in Madness it all comes under the green umbrella.

yes here green is only for VTs. Kat and Antonio know this is the case so them bolding their roles in green made me assume you were doing the same

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the last game used the same blue green distinction why didn’t you know that

 

[DinoTown]

yes here green is only for VTs. Kat and Antonio know this is the case so them bolding their roles in green made me assume you were doing the same

I apologise for doing that, then, I'll re-do my claim. I'm Billy Mays.
There. Not claiming a role. Just my name.

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I didn't know that probably because it was 1 game, compared to ToS, Madness and more recently Champs (I have been reading) which all don't distinguish between prs and vts and just use green for all.

 

[Damniel]

fair enough

everyone i just said about your role claim is much less excusable for @Antonio. why did you claim your role for no reason and try to work through a theme when toads said role names don’t matter

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everything*

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I still dislike this post, roleclaiming and proceeding to criticize the evaluation of them but moreso adding that Kat claiming was a distraction tactic feels like a pushy opportunity if I assume Kat wasn't mafia.

geo brings up a good point here. volt and teddy are new so i can see why they wouldn’t realize claiming D1 is a bad thing. but epona acknowledges it is bad yet still does it

 

[Seroja]

@Geoni I stand by my reasoning that it makes no sense for town!Kat to basically give up on the game like that. whatever her role was, I am certain that she couldn't have been town-aligned. she even said earlier that yeah she understood how her lynch would be justified, like, just no. that raised serious red flags for me and that half-baked attempt at the end was the nail in the coffin.

I wouldn't have voted for Volt anyway.

 

[Geoni]

i agree with this, you're both pushing pretty hard against her and i think she could be town. i don't want to vote her but i like the way epona is framing her mislynch as a clue.

@Mayor Leaf what were your reads on Dino and Antonio prior to you liking that thought that a Kat townflip would suggest these two were both wolfing? I could ISO you to find them but I'm drained and you seem to be around.

 

[g u a v a]

@Mayor Leaf what were your reads on Dino and Antonio prior to you liking that thought that a Kat townflip would suggest these two were both wolfing? I could ISO you to find them but I'm drained and you seem to be around.

hi hen~ yes indeed insomnia strikes again.

i've always been sus of antonio, but i never understood why people were so keen to jump on dino. there was literally nothing but what trundle said that really made her out to be mafia.

though, after the whole volt situation it made me wonder how innocent she is, since she seemed to be trying rather hard to get people to Not lynch volt. which makes sense if they're both maf.

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see here for my award winning expose that everyone is mafia.

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@Geoni I stand by my reasoning that it makes no sense for town!Kat to basically give up on the game like that. whatever her role was, I am certain that she couldn't have been town-aligned. she even said earlier that yeah she understood how her lynch would be justified, like, just no. that raised serious red flags for me and that half-baked attempt at the end was the nail in the coffin.

I wouldn't have voted for Volt anyway.

who would you have voted for?

 

[Geoni]

This is what I find on Dino:

this posts stands out to me. it's kind of hard to follow--that could be my undercaffeinated brain--but what if both dino and volt are mafia?

listen, there's not much to go off on dino but the way she came to defend volt instead of using it as an opportunity to finally rid herself of suspicions just doesn't sit right with me. plus volt's posts have been iffy from the beginning, i agree with what bianca said:



i'm more comfortable casting a vote on volt especially after the ~~extremely~~ convenient mr. clean reveal. i mean are we really just letting that pass by???




she could be lying.

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my options for votes are: trundle or volt.

i would consider kat, but given the circumstance hard to tell whats going on. the exchange between her and teddy that volt pointed out feels weird, but also as teddy is new to the game it feels like she was just trying to get him to be more clear. didn't feel like coordinated coaching imo. i think they could both be town. (hard to ignore the d.t. name drop and vanishing, but also 'tis virus times so i get it.)

thoughts?

And if I understood correctly you weren't ruling out that Dino and Volt could have been distancing in what you quoted? And that they could be teamed?

As a slight tangent speaking of pairings, do you think Dino and Trundle can be w/w given your intensity about Trundle?

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Seroja I'm not talking to every single one of the people on the wagon I'm just saying enough people showed earlier willingness to wagon Volt to where I woulda thought the Kat wagon would have at least had decent competition. The means for partners to steer a lynch away from Kat were she mafia were there.

 

[g u a v a]

This is what I find on Dino:



And if I understood correctly you weren't ruling out that Dino and Volt could have been distancing in what you quoted? And that they could be teamed?

As a slight tangent speaking of pairings, do you think Dino and Trundle can be w/w given your intensity about Trundle?

yes, i'm not ruling out that dino was defending herself and trying to distance but it's just a strong plea for a person who didn't have that much to defend imo. she continued to reassure us that she will vote volt in this upcoming day. but i thought it was coordinated (i call out the post sequence here).

re: trundle, listen, i'll be forever sus of someone who just goes out on such a huge leap and just claim someone is maf after only ONE post. especially since he did that on a previous game (the housewives one iirc) and he ended up being mafia. it's a bold ass move if you are mafia but that's what makes it a good move? because we all would assume that it's too bold to do if you're actually mafia and write it off.

so maybe the team is dan(volt, i feel like i should drop the old name since essentially it's the same character), dino, and trundle.

 

[epona]

it's morning and i'm catching up and this is going to seem so lazy but i honestly made the same mistake as dinotown with regards to roleclaiming, figured it was just red/green (there's a post somewhere where i cite the pointlessness of roleclaiming to antonio because it's not like someone is going to come out and claim red)

that's why i criticised the exercise, role names clearly are not alignment indicative as stated by toads in the first post, and i saw it as a useless distraction and conversation diversion because everyone was just going to claim green

but yeah didn't mean to claim vanilla townie by bolding in green and didn't assume that others who claimed were also claiming vanilla townie. i mistook it for just claiming to be town-aligned, which is why i thought it was such a pointless thing to do

 

[DinoTown]

I see Danmiel and Trundle being a potential mafia team.
I'm not sure who the third could be - but I'm still pretty confused about Epona's behaviour with role name claiming. I'd like an answer for that @epona when you are around

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god darn it