Mafia TBT Mafia General Thread 3.0 - Newbie Info/Hosting/Discussion

[radical6]

I've far too much free time over the next two months. If anyone is up for participating in a heavily-themed game (e.g. Call the Ships to Port) let me know because I've an idea in mind.

Custom role pms r back!

 

[Antonio]

I agree with Punchy. I'm open to reviewing the next game being hosted for balance as I probably won't be able to play it

I believe I am next so if you dm, I'll do it.

Post automatically merged: Jun 19, 2020

Actually, the roles will be public anyways.

 

[Geoni]

Still good to run it by someone if just so you have everything straightened out when signups are open.

 

[Damniel]

so I think after Shawo it's Antonio and then Vrisnem after that? I would like to do a Kingmaker at some point (probs late july or whenever my semis game ends) but wanted to know what its looking like

 

[PunchyTheCat]

I believe I am next so if you dm, I'll do it.

Post automatically merged: Jun 19, 2020

Actually, the roles will be public anyways.

should probably still have geoni give it a look for the balance

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

i'd be down to cohost anything if help is wanted

also i really think the queue should be reinstated at this point

also i think that the official and experimental games should just be merged into one category, no one really cares about that tbh

 

[DinoTown]

Soooo is co-hosting a thing in this place?
Because I think I figured out how to do a Madness-style game here (imagine if flavour was actually relevant to finding the killers) but I'd need help sorting everything and balancing and stuff. Or I could just wait, play a few more games and maybe try and figure it out for myself lol.
If people would actually be interested in a game like that, of course.

 

[Geoni]

so I think after Shawo it's Antonio and then Vrisnem after that? I would like to do a Kingmaker at some point (probs late july or whenever my semis game ends) but wanted to know what its looking like

I'd like to go after you because by then I'll definitely have an itch to host and be done with stuff that has been holding me up from playing/hosting much.

Soooo is co-hosting a thing in this place?
Because I think I figured out how to do a Madness-style game here (imagine if flavour was actually relevant to finding the killers) but I'd need help sorting everything and balancing and stuff. Or I could just wait, play a few more games and maybe try and figure it out for myself lol.
If people would actually be interested in a game like that, of course.

Co-hosting is not only encouraged but often done before like...this year. Again I'd love to offer myself as a cohost for people who just want someobody to help balance setups and monitor things during the night, it's a good spot for me at this stage in my career.

 

[Antonio]

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I made a thread, I could use some help with phrasing because i'm not sure my point is coming across fully.

 

[N e s s]

god I hate this new forum software

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

I'd like to go after you because by then I'll definitely have an itch to host and be done with stuff that has been holding me up from playing/hosting much.




Co-hosting is not only encouraged but often done before like...this year. Again I'd love to offer myself as a cohost for people who just want someobody to help balance setups and monitor things during the night, it's a good spot for me at this stage in my career.

Pls explain why you think 2KP in a 17 player game is unbalanced

 

[Geoni]

Ness I'm not sure what you're referring to? I suggested 2KP to radical6 as a balance remedy there because I wasn't spoken to before the game was actually set up, to which I would have explained why 4 mafia and 1KP in 17 is what should have happened.

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

Ideally you never use more than 1KP even in much larger games. Roles like Poisoner (can be either side) or Arsonist help as a buffer.

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

Oh and of course vigilante

 

[Damniel]

Ness I'm not sure what you're referring to? I suggested 2KP to radical6 as a balance remedy there because I wasn't spoken to before the game was actually set up, to which I would have explained why 4 mafia and 1KP in 17 is what should have happened.

yea during the game i tried to rationalize why 4 scum with 1 KP was ideal and that giving 3 scum the KP formula was a warranted fix

Post automatically merged: Jun 20, 2020

btw I did run the numbers yesterday since I truly did think it was off for there being 4 scum. I think the most important thing to remember is that Kallie changed the KP from 1 to the normal formula after talking to geoni in particular

Imagine the worst case scenario where each Day ends in a ML and scum get each kill successfully:

13 v 4 (1 KP)
N1: 12 v 4
D2: 11 v 4
N2: 10 v 4
D3: 9 v 4
N3: 8 v 4
D4: 7 v 4
N4: 6 v 4
D5: 5 v 4

ML Day 5 and lose

13 v 4 (2 KP)- what most are assuming were in
N1: 12 v 4
D2: 10 v 4
N2: 9 v 4
D3: 7 v 4
N3: 6 v 4

Scum kills 2 successfully, so ML Day 3 and lose

14 v 3 (1 KP)
N1: 13 v 3
D2: 12 v 3
N2: 11 v 3
D3: 10 v 3
N3: 9 v 3
D4: 8 v 3
N4: 7 v 3
D5: 6 v 3
N5: 5 v 3
D6: 4 v 3

ML Day 6 and lose

14 v 3 (2 KP)
N1: 13 v 3
D2: 11 v 3
N2: 10 v 3
D3: 8 v 3
N3: 7 v 3
D4: 5 v 3
N4: 4 v 3
D5: 2 v 3

Kill at least 1 successfully, so ML D4 and lose

If kallie started with 4 scum at 1 KP, that means town can afford 5 MLs. The champs game in MU of 12 v 3 with 1KP allows for 5 MLs worse case, so I think that's pretty balanced (MU tries to make the games as balanced as possible). On top of that, if Geoni was helping Kallie (who is familiar with MU's format), I feel like he would recognize this and say this KP is fine (may be overthinking Geoni though). But by going to 2 KP, town could only afford 3 ML. The jump from 5 ML to 3 ML is super big and I think it changes it from pretty balanced to scum sided if you ask me

If Kallie started with 3 scum and 1 KP, it would take 6 ML to lose worse case, which is town sided imo. Going from 6ML to 4ML by going back to the original formula balances things out and I think would warrant a setup change

But Heyden did link to a game where Kallie had the same player count and 2 KP, it may just be 4 scum. But this is why i instinctely thought it was 3 scum after the announcement and now that I thought about it, a team of 3 with the normal formula wouldve made more sense to change than if it was 4 with 1 KP

If there is currently 4 scum with 2 KP, we only have 2 MLs left if worse comes to worse which doesn't feel balanced to me so yea that's why I said 3 and now go back to that claim

Anyways I'm gonna read back to EoD before going back to my work

this was my thinking

 

[Geoni]

Guys I did not help Kallie until after she actually started the game and asked me if she messed the balance up.

Champs was 4 wolves in a 17 player game for multiple seasons, it's tried and proven for balance by some of the best mafia players on the internet and I'm not going to budge on that at all.

 

[Damniel]

Guys I did not help Kallie until after she actually started the game and asked me if she messed the balance up.

yea she made it pretty clear she consulted with you to fix the setup

 

[Biancasbotique]

Do I need to be in a queue if its just forw fun game like a micro? the waiting and the polling lol im so impatient sometimes

 

[toadsworthy]

Soooo is co-hosting a thing in this place?
Because I think I figured out how to do a Madness-style game here (imagine if flavour was actually relevant to finding the killers) but I'd need help sorting everything and balancing and stuff. Or I could just wait, play a few more games and maybe try and figure it out for myself lol.
If people would actually be interested in a game like that, of course.

you or anyone can reach out to me on here or discord. I’m more than happy to consult since I’m not playing in games at recent (although would be tempted if tina posts something)

I clearly have a flare for different set ups, none of which have been broken. I have a lot of questions and concerns in regards to what you’re planning, but could be fun

 

[Jacob]

@shawo can i get obs for your game please

 

[DinoTown]

you or anyone can reach out to me on here or discord. I’m more than happy to consult since I’m not playing in games at recent (although would be tempted if tina posts something)

Given how many people have shown current interest in hosting it wouldn't be for a long time down the road yet so you're good on that front at least.

 

[Geoni]

If I'm to go behind Daniel I might do mountainous tbh. Would be a good respite from role-heavy games by that point. Classic balance of 3 mafia 12 town.

 

[Jacob]

If anyone ever does a game based off a tv show or video game I would lovee to do some fun graphics for the phases and/or custom role PMs for you. Crys and I used to do them for Steven Universe mafia and it was so fun

 

[radical6]

If anyone ever does a game based off a tv show or video game I would lovee to do some fun graphics for the phases and/or custom role PMs for you. Crys and I used to do them for Steven Universe mafia and it was so fun

u would have to be ok with spoilers but i doubt anyone in tbt mafia would give a **** abt my themes tbh