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Mafia TBT Mafia II: Mafia Strike Back [Game Over/Mafia Win]

Not gonna lie, Beary's sudden improvement seems a little... off.
 
Yeah I have to ag-


Nevermind. Though props to Beary for improving so quickly.

Thank you.
Im still not relatively sure who the mafia are...
But I have my secret suspicions ;3

The best thing to do Is stay put, and watch what happens, analyzing, and observing.
Im not the best at those things, but you guys ARE.

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Im starting to relax now that Im into the feel of the game now :3
Throw all dem insults at meh

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Omg that grammar
Wow
I dissapoint myself
 
Can we modkill Beary509?

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Can we modkill Beary509?

Um.
What have I done?

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o_O what brought on this sudden aggressiveness

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My brain just died
I need to get some sleep...
 
Err... Looks like Beary has had a bit of a mental breakdown... Not sure how to read that to be honest. More scummy now, or more dummy now? Kinda leaning towards scummy, but it's hard to tell.

Anyway, looking at the vote count from the thread:

Beary509 (4)
Prof Gallows
Tom
Kuma
Lauren

ITookYourWaffles (6)
Trundle
oath2order
Hikari
FoxWolf64
3DSfan134
lynn105

3DSfan134 (7)
Horus
AndyB
Riley
FireNinja1
BlueLeaf
BellBringerGreen
Superpenguin

lynn105 (3)
pallycake
MyLifeIsCake
beary509

So first off, what the hell is up with the Lynn votes exactly? I'm struggling to understand. Why? Please do explain yourselves. Unless I've missed something horribly, they haven't done anything.

Next... let's talk about Waffles. Although I was a bit suspicious of them for changing the subject so much previously, I'm thinking it was just general awkwardness trying to contribute. They have also bothered to come defend themselves, unlike some of the other lynchees today. So for now, I'm leaning towards innocent. Something to point out though, Farobi and her seem to be in kind of cahoots with the agressive defense for Waffles, and apparently they have shared roles. If one of them ends up flips Mafia... it might be worth being weary of the other.

Actually if you hadn't noticed, Waffles's posts in Mafia are contentless because she's a newbie as well, and didn't really follow the old Mafia round. She does try to show effort in her posts, but can't really explain thoroughly because of her grammar problems. Her voting pattern may seem odd, but it doesn't scream "mafia" in my eyes, more like she's trying to get rid off the suspicion (which she failed at miserably :p ). She's offline right now, but I'll ask her to come to this thread ASAP if she gets more suspicion, cause that would be a problem. I can't roleclaim for her though.

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I hope this does not look like the case of mafia protecting mafia. Because I assure you it's not, in fact it's the opposite.

Speaking of lynchees not defending themselves... Hello 3DSFan! Yesterday, I mentioned that he had completely avoided posting in the thread. Not a single post after the game started, but he did manage to sneak in a vote. A bit later, he came back and mentioned having strep throat as his reason for inactivity. I'm not saying he didn't have sterp throat, but I do question that this somehow stopped him from being able to post in here at all. Why?

Well, let's take a gander at his post history on TBT lately. The Mafia game started on November 26th. Somehow though, he was able to post perfectly fine on the rest of TBT outside of this thread. The following posts all occurred between 11-26-2013, 07:35 PM (after Mafia started) and then all the way to 11-30-2013, 04:47 AM which is when he finally came into this thread and posted for the first. Note that he was also able to vote in the voting thread just fine too.

I finally finished my hand draw turkey! :D Going to show it tomorrow.

I hope you guys could accept this hand-draw turkey.:)




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Here's another pic.


All of my family came over to my dad's house for Thanksgiving. I had lots of fun! :D All of my family got to see the Macy's Thanksgiving Parade on TV. But imo, it was a lot of fun today for Thanksgiving. :) Happy Thanksgiving Everybody!

I'm coming too! Also, I've already added you so that means I don't have to add you again. ;)

Guess I look up there and see the big moon and the stars.

I would be interested to play with you with that baby avatar. Swag stays for Mayor Karly 4ever. I added you.

What's with the tickets now?

Hmm.....team looks good, I'll say a 8/10 rating. But first, please try to remove Chandelure okay?

You can fact check all of this yourselves if you so desire. Anyway, after being called out for it and finally replying with the strep throat post promising to post in here more.

Has he followed through? Here's the list of post contributions since, even while being voted for in here and being requested of a defense...

Who will end up being lynched?

Yeesh. Don't worry though. He made sure to leave a vote in the voting thread:

##VOTE: ITookYourWaffles

To be honest, Waffles is really the one who's from the mafia. It would be because he wasn't posting like from 3 or 4 days.

Wait, hold up a second, what? Yeah. He just voted someone else for the exact same thing he's been doing himself. In his own words: "because he wasn't posting like from 3 or 4 days"

I fully admit that none of this is hard evidence pointing toward scum. But what I do see is someone who was hiding away from this thread, while still being sure to leave votes in the voting thread. And then got called out for it, and proceeded to continue doing the same thing with 1 useless post and another vote with the bandwagon. There's also been zero defense against the votes on him recently, despite being online hours after it was happening.

3DSfan is either Mafia doing a very poor job trying to stay hidden and lurk while throwing in votes, or is an uninterested town player who shouldn't be playing if that's the case. I can't tell you which one it is, but I'm more confident in this than the other players up for lynch.

I still don't know how to read Beary, especially after their mental breakdown in the past few hours. It feels like a very confused town member, but who knows really. It is odd though how they suddenly sharpened up a bit in the past half a day. It's also like a fellow Mafia member tried to give them some pointers or something to save her. And without giving away too much, I personally feel strongly at the moment that Lynn is not mafia.

Oh yeah, I want to call out Riley a bit here too. Has anyone noticed their flip flopping in the Voting thread? I can't help but point it out after reading the thread.

##Vote: Beary509

##Unvote: Beary509

##Vote: Itookyourwaffles

##Unvote: Itookyourwaffles

##Vote: 3DSFan134

They appear to be only be interested in following whatever the vote crowd is feeling. All three major suspects today were voted for by him. It's usually smart as Mafia to hide in the vote crowd and follow whatever is popular at the moment, so it's probably worth keeping a watch on Riley in the future.

Anyway, I may not be online again by the time the current Day ends, so I'm placing my vote for 3DSfan now. Let's hope for the best. :\ I can't say I'm really THAT behind any of the lynchees today. It's hard though, we still have so little to go by.
 
Alright, here I go.
I was the one who started the Waffles bandwagon, unintentionally, and now I'm going to try to move people off of it. First off, it was a minor suspicion. Laurina, the miller, made 2 small points against Waffles. No one even picked up on them. Hardly anyone noticed them. Laurina also made several other good points about others, too. She was playing smart, and thinking things through well. All Laurina really did was call out Waffles on the strange voting pattern. Waffles voted for SuperPenguin with no good reason, and then switched it to Justin for no good reason. Waffles didn't explain their voting, but here's the catch: Waffles is a new player. While she may or may not know NOW that she is supposed to explain her vote, she definitely wouldn't have then. To me, it looks like Waffles is just a new player.
Laurina also accused a good deal of other people.
Gallows has me back tracking and second guessing every thought I've had the past couple of days. I don't even know where I or anyone stands anymore. They can easily be working together (which wouldn't matter if Kayla voted for SP or not. If she did that would really raise some suspicion. One mafia member as mayor or sheriff is enough to cause trouble) . I didn't notice this in the beginning but within the first couple hours of the game even starting SP was very insistent the role of Mayor should go to Kayla (specifically this post: http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...afia-Strike-Back/page33&p=1984183#post1984183) while shooting down other members on why they shouldn't be mayor such as AndyB and Justin.
Here she accused beary509. http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...ia-II-Mafia-Strike-Back&p=1991214#post1991214
It's not so much the amount of posts you have or haven't made. A lot of people have labeled you as someone that is bound to bandwagon and that can be quite a gamble for all of us if you don't have time to give your opinion or reasoning.

And really, there are many more examples. She was an intelligent, and thinking player. She analyzed, accused well, and could word things very understandably. There's no doubt the mafia wanted her out (which was good for us in the end, due to her being a Miller).

Currently, I have other leads than I'm not yet willing to publicly share, that have to do with players posting, constant evasive answering patterns, terrible accusations, and topic changing. This also ties in to where the votings currently stand. For now, I will vote for 3DSfan134 for the reasons as everyone else. He is not contributing, has lied about not being able to post, and his 2-3 posts all suck. Also, if he dies and ends up town, we aren't losing much anyways.
 
Err... Looks like Beary has had a bit of a mental breakdown... Not sure how to read that to be honest. More scummy now, or more dummy now? Kinda leaning towards scummy, but it's hard to tell.

Anyway, looking at the vote count from the thread:



So first off, what the hell is up with the Lynn votes exactly? I'm struggling to understand. Why? Please do explain yourselves. Unless I've missed something horribly, they haven't done anything.

Next... let's talk about Waffles. Although I was a bit suspicious of them for changing the subject so much previously, I'm thinking it was just general awkwardness trying to contribute. They have also bothered to come defend themselves, unlike some of the other lynchees today. So for now, I'm leaning towards innocent. Something to point out though, Farobi and her seem to be in kind of cahoots with the agressive defense for Waffles, and apparently they have shared roles. If one of them ends up flips Mafia... it might be worth being weary of the other.



Speaking of lynchees not defending themselves... Hello 3DSFan! Yesterday, I mentioned that he had completely avoided posting in the thread. Not a single post after the game started, but he did manage to sneak in a vote. A bit later, he came back and mentioned having strep throat as his reason for inactivity. I'm not saying he didn't have sterp throat, but I do question that this somehow stopped him from being able to post in here at all. Why?

Well, let's take a gander at his post history on TBT lately. The Mafia game started on November 26th. Somehow though, he was able to post perfectly fine on the rest of TBT outside of this thread. The following posts all occurred between 11-26-2013, 07:35 PM (after Mafia started) and then all the way to 11-30-2013, 04:47 AM which is when he finally came into this thread and posted for the first. Note that he was also able to vote in the voting thread just fine too.

















You can fact check all of this yourselves if you so desire. Anyway, after being called out for it and finally replying with the strep throat post promising to post in here more.

Has he followed through? Here's the list of post contributions since, even while being voted for in here and being requested of a defense...



Yeesh. Don't worry though. He made sure to leave a vote in the voting thread:



Wait, hold up a second, what? Yeah. He just voted someone else for the exact same thing he's been doing himself. In his own words: "because he wasn't posting like from 3 or 4 days"

I fully admit that none of this is hard evidence pointing toward scum. But what I do see is someone who was hiding away from this thread, while still being sure to leave votes in the voting thread. And then got called out for it, and proceeded to continue doing the same thing with 1 useless post and another vote with the bandwagon. There's also been zero defense against the votes on him recently, despite being online hours after it was happening.

3DSfan is either Mafia doing a very poor job trying to stay hidden and lurk while throwing in votes, or is an uninterested town player who shouldn't be playing if that's the case. I can't tell you which one it is, but I'm more confident in this than the other players up for lynch.

I still don't know how to read Beary, especially after their mental breakdown in the past few hours. It feels like a very confused town member, but who knows really. It is odd though how they suddenly sharpened up a bit in the past half a day. It's also like a fellow Mafia member tried to give them some pointers or something to save her. And without giving away too much, I personally feel strongly at the moment that Lynn is not mafia.

Oh yeah, I want to call out Riley a bit here too. Has anyone noticed their flip flopping in the Voting thread? I can't help but point it out after reading the thread.







They appear to be only be interested in following whatever the vote crowd is feeling. All three major suspects today were voted for by him. It's usually smart as Mafia to hide in the vote crowd and follow whatever is popular at the moment, so it's probably worth keeping a watch on Riley in the future.

Anyway, I may not be online again by the time the current Day ends, so I'm placing my vote for 3DSfan now. Let's hope for the best. :\ I can't say I'm really THAT behind any of the lynchees today. It's hard though, we still have so little to go by.

Bandwagoning without any reason. FireNinja1 has also been doing that recently. I'm keeping an eye out, though, because at any minute, I might find someone else suspicious and vote for them.
 
@Justin I've already posted why I'm voting for lynn, I have no idea why the others are..

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Here are my posts
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?111874-TBT-Mafia-II-Mafia-Strike-Back&p=2000469&viewfull=1#post2000469

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?111874-TBT-Mafia-II-Mafia-Strike-Back&p=2000543&viewfull=1#post2000543

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?111874-TBT-Mafia-II-Mafia-Strike-Back&p=2000573&viewfull=1#post2000573

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I'd like to point out that beary, cake, and thunder all added text with their posts.

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: lynn105

She was a mafia last game
May not have changed
Or improved :3

I'm sorry, what? You're going to use someone's role from last game to justify your vote? That makes no sense, roles are randomly given out. There is
no correlation between anyone's previous and current role.

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(Gah, hate to make a vote like this, but)

##Vote:Lynn105

Hate to make a vote like this? Then why are you doing it? What's the reason??

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##vote lynn105

going with my gut right now
No solid justification here either

I fear my vote for lynn may have initiated a semi hideout location for mafia
Yes voting for lynn isn't as popular, but, it'd be a great place to go to hide especially when fingers are being pointed at everyone who's bandwagoning the other members
 
Also sorry for the weird layout/post merges/and if my links don't work. I'm on my phone in bed with no desire to get up.
 
Alright, here I go.
I was the one who started the Waffles bandwagon, unintentionally,

All you did was rehash my ideas on Waffles and voted for Waffles first... -_-

I still have suspicions toward Lynn and River. More so toward Lynn, though, since River has stated she was busy with school, but now that she is off for a little while, apparently she'll be more active, so we should give her some time to see how all that plays out.

I noticed no change in lynn's activity last game as opposed to this game. She was active in the mafia chat last game, so she does know what she is doing, and she views this thread often, so it can't always just be a "Quick Catch-up Read". I'm not saying I am going to vote for lynn or that we should even lynch her. This is just my suspicion.

Looking back at Laurina's posts, she was making arguments against ITookYourWaffles:


May also be a person to watch.

I personally have a few suspicions so far in this game. I am not going to share yet because I want to see everyone else's opinions on the matter of our current list of suspicious members first.

Doesn't anyone else remember these two pieces of information? Let's not forget what we're doing here. beary509 is just new and screams innocent to me, and 3DSfan134, I just don't know.
Look at SuperPenguin's post. Laurina was making points against ITookYourWaffles, and Laurina died. Is ITookYourWaffles mafia? Either way, ITookYourWaffles has contributed very little to the town. They make very short, and worthless posts, and I've seen one post so far where he/she put up 3DSfan134's post count, which is really the only thing he/she has done useful at all. So the question is, why would Laurina be lynched otherwise? If ITookYourWaffles is a townie, the mafia would have no reason to kill her, and if ITookYourWaffles is mafia, that brings all the reason to it. ITookYourWaffles has also tried several times to bring the topic to something else, or put the blame on something else, even once or twice by random topic switching.
Next is Hikari's post. Hikari's post doesn't really make any sense. Hikari said "I would assume that their killer(s) would come and comment about the death a few minutes after they were killed." Unfortunately, this logic doesn't make any sense. It is CrapLogic. Unless Hikari can explain his/her whole basis of accusation on Horus, then we should probably keep our suspicions of him/her.

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Also sorry for the weird layout/post merges/and if my links don't work. I'm on my phone in bed with no desire to get up.

Players will have to copy and paste them for them to work, so I just redid them for you so players don't have to do all that work.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000469&viewfull=1#post2000469
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000543&viewfull=1#post2000543
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000573&viewfull=1#post2000573
 
I voted for lynn because like I said earlier, she was viewing the tread in the pile of faces after night 1 and didn't post anything. She also said, and let me see if I can find it, that she was suspicious of people who posted a lot last game and now are not.

I'm not sure if this will help anyone, but I'm kinda suspicious of people who talked A LOT in the last game, but have decreased and said minimal things in this one...

Last game she only posted a total of 11 times, but would also be viewing the thread. When she was called out on by Lauren, she said 'Well I don't really know what to post...' Better to make stuff up and post like beary than just stare at the thread. I'm thinking she's hiding something, either trying to be slick and not let any slip ups or she's a blue role. Also she bandwagoned through out the whole game last time, and now when she said she was suspicious of Lauren and then voted for ITookYourWaffles anyway, I'd say she's trying to blend in.
 
Err... Looks like Beary has had a bit of a mental breakdown... Not sure how to read that to be honest. More scummy now, or more dummy now? Kinda leaning towards scummy, but it's hard to tell.

Jubs, that was 2AM. I was tired, disoriented, and sick.
I'm still sick :c
And I think you are exaggerating on 'metal breakdown'.

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All you did was rehash my ideas on Waffles and voted for Waffles first... -_-


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Players will have to copy and paste them for them to work, so I just redid them for you so players don't have to do all that work.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000469&viewfull=1#post2000469
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000543&viewfull=1#post2000543
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000573&viewfull=1#post2000573

Superpenguin and pally are helping each other a lot...
almost unconditionally...
Hmmm. It could be a case of Mafia helping Mafia.
 
Superpenguin and pally are helping each other a lot...
almost unconditionally...
Hmmm. It could be a case of Mafia helping Mafia.

that doesn't even help pallycake specifically, it helps everyone. and it's not even like anything mafia-ish, he just made it so people wouldn't have to copy and paste the links lmao. if you're trying to put the attention onto other people like that, it kind of just makes you look stupid.
 
All you did was rehash my ideas on Waffles and voted for Waffles first... -_-


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Players will have to copy and paste them for them to work, so I just redid them for you so players don't have to do all that work.

http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000469&viewfull=1#post2000469
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000543&viewfull=1#post2000543
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=2000573&viewfull=1#post2000573

I know, Superpenguin. I didn't say I was the genius who though of it, but I started the bandwagon for it due to rehashing the idea and elaborating on it, causing Justin to join in.
 
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