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Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

Well, he stands out to me due to the fact that his plan was pretty good last game, and that he also was mayor the one time I played.

It's kind of like a mother relationship. You consider them your mother, but only because they took care of you. Rather, they were the only thing you had.

He had a plan? I don't remember him mentioning any plan. He just seemed to go in and play to what was happening at the time. Which is fine and all, but apparently he had a "pretty good plan" too.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Also, I would like to confirm my role.

I am a Townie. Believe it or not.

This doesn't confirm your role, and you just notified the mafia of two things:

1.) You are a potential bodyguard, thus a target.
2.) You are not a blue, therefore can be avoided unless later proven otherwise.


Now I'd also like to point out something relating to the Body Guard.

There is only one of you and only one mayor. Therefore, I'd recommend you reveal yourself to the mayor. This will only benefit you. The mayor, mafia or town, will want to protect you. The past game, it was recommended for you not to. That was because there were two elected roles. One of the could've been mafia and needed the body guards dead to kill the other elected role. In this game, that is not an issue, so I recommend you reveal yourself. We don't need you dying unnecessarily.
 
Sorry, I meant campaign post.
Not plan...

This is Trundle's campaign post from last game:

Trundle said:
I really enjoyed Karla's post and I feel like he posted many things that I personally would never be able to amount to. Great post!
I'm not accusing anyone this early but I think some people forget we're already in game. The mafia could be quite smart and smooth talking this early. Even people's reactions to Karla's initial post could be scum oriented. Don't trust any posts. If someone brings up a good point, it doesn't mean they're town. Early game, as we've seen before, is the best time to gain others trust. That didn't land us anywhere last game.

Next, I would like to run for mayor. I feel like I had decent enough performance last game to run for a higher position. Not only did I have the only analysis mafia kill last game, but I also learned from my last games mistakes. For example, I know now that I shouldn't have trusted Kayla immediately, and I should've known something was up when Superpenguin and I weren't killed.I feel that I would perform well alongside Karla this game, but it's obviously quite early for decisiveness right now, so I'll be on again later to see what's up!

It doesn't even begin until the black text. Plus, he mentions he had a "decent performance", not a good performance, an great performance, just a decent one. I believe him having the only mafia analysis lynch was proven not entirely correct as that would be Hikari. Kayla led that lynch. Trundle was completely unable to gather support for that lynch. Plus, he did go into the game partially trusting Karla. While it didn't cause a blunder to him since Karla was town, he still amde that same mistake of trusting people. As there was no way Trundle could've fully trusted Karla until Day 4 when Karla used his vig shot.

I don't see this "plan" being good.
 
Just some thoughts on Superpenguin.

So far your posts have come across as quite aggressive to the current and past candidates. I like that you've put decent thought into the past mayors mistakes, though some of your suggestions also seem to all revolve around concealing information from the main thread. It's like you don't want people to outright trust you on one hand while on the other you don't want them to pass information to the town in place of you as mayor. Feels like you are playing two separate games: Iloveyou from mafia II and Karla's sheriff in mafia III.

In all honesty, I don't have as much power over you guys as mayor as you may think I do.

This though, this I like. Something I've always tried to push in the past games. So long as you don't use the same flimsy logic you used in picking apart Oath's post, I could see you as mayor.
 
I suppose "confirm" isn't the right thing to say.
Okay, 'claim', then, that I am a townie.

Kill me now, Mafia. -_-

I wold also like to point out that, since the game started, I have been less active than before. If anyone was around during Mafia I,
When I was Mafia, I cluttered the thread with posts every few minutes.
 
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Hello I would like to run for Mayor. Here is my carefully thought out original plan for the game:

With the setup, coordinating the uninformed majority is not going to be easy. Multiple subversive roles. Unknown numbers of each role. With a starting KP of 4, we need to focus on getting one Mafia to the lynch. There is no real advantage to finding the entire scum team on Day 1 if we can't get them killed. In fact, it's more likely to be forgotten, and you tend to be wrong anyway when you try to do too much (unless Mafia really slip up hard). There is also value in withholding information. Figuring out the guilt of someone, not immediately announcing it but continuing to play the thread can help you discern the alignment of other players under scrutiny.

I would like to present THE PLAN.

Medics should protect the players that are making sense, the ones who are truly adding to the discussion. I am certain that there are no skilled bluesnipers amongst the Mafia, which means barring any foolish blues blurting out their role to the wrong person, the Mafia will want to target the players that are steering the town in the right direction. When such a player takes a hit, the medic should immediately roleclaim to that person. That person should open claim they took a hit (this is information the Mafia already know, and it can only help town to know as well).

(Brief aside - you should ALWAYS announce that you took a hit during the night (including as Veteran). This is 99% of the time information Mafia already have (because they're the ones who did it). This is very useful information when analysing the Day post, because it can help piece together where all of the hits went that night.)

That person will then be checked. I know there are framers and millers in the game, but I'm honestly not worried about that. The medic will then get checked as well. If both check out, they will come out and serve as figureheads for the town. They will be able to coordinate blue abilities, AND act intermediates between those blues and the elected officials, keeping the blues safe if the officials are corrupt.

Bodyguards should NOT reveal themselves to the elected roles, not until one or both of them have been confirmed. The principal reason is that if one of the two officials turns out to be Mafia, they can remove the bodyguards and kill the other official.

Detectives - I'm sorry to say it but the odds are stacked against you this game. Framers, Millers, Godfather and an errant Bus Driver are going to screw you up. Fortunately, the hosts haven't plagued you with additional problems like sanities and limits on your checks. Despite that, even with behavioural analysis, you will always have doubt behind whether or not the officials are Mafia. Thus, any plans revolving around forming a circle with the two elected roles are out of the window. You will literally be working alone until you get a working circle up on your own. No elected official is to be given any critical information, until they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be innocent. And for the love of god, watch who PM and do not open claim.

Medics - I've already set out what medics should be aiming to do above. You are one of the key players in finding trusted town as both you and your protectee are informed of a hit. You shouldn't have to worry about accidentally saving someone from a Vigilante hit because you should be protecting strong players that the vigilantes have no reason to hit. Only a bus driver can cause potential problems, but I will get onto that later.

Vigilantes - Mafia have no way of protecting amongst themselves. Because of this, I believe a Vigilante can safely publicly announce their hit before they carry it out. You only get one hit so after using it, it won't be such a blow to town if you proceed to die. BUT, fear not, for I have another plan. Some of you may have noticed me debating with Kayla the importance of knowing if Mafia have to send in hits individually (the case for TBT Mafia I and II), or if one person can send in all the hits. Now that I know I am town aligned, I want to explain this - if one of the scum team can be online right up until the Night deadline, they can make last minute changes to their hitlist before sending it in. Remember that actions cannot be changed or withdrawn once they are sent in. If individual Mafiosi have to send in their hits, they will likely have to send them long before the deadline due to sleep/school or whatever schedule. Why is this important? Because if Vigilantes announce who they will shoot just before the night ends, and sends in their action, it is more likely that Mafia will not be able to respond in time. When Day comes and we see that the person they claimed to have killed is dead, and all other KP have been accounted for, we can say it is reasonably certain that they are a real Vigilante. Sheriff can then protect him for two phases, while the town circle builds around him.

Additionally, by publicly announcing a hit, this will also reduce the risk of medics saving that hit by accident. Mafia could claim Vigilante and say they are going to hit X to try and gain cred or keep a medic off X, but this will be seen as suspicious as a real Vig shouldn't be targetting that person unless he is a prime suspect. And with all these roleclaims, we will soon realise that there are more claims than realistically possible, and all those vigi-claimers will be put under suspicion. If the Mafia kill the Vigs after they hit their targets, it also makes it riskier and more difficult for them to roleclaim Vig themselves. We also do not want intended incarcerations of suspected Mafia to fail because of a Vig hit, and vice versa. Thus once we have a confirmed innocent, all Vigs should also tell that innocent person who they will hit, who will then relay it to the Sheriff, whilst protecting the identity of the Vigs.

Bus Driver - You will be a headache to someone this game, and I intend for it to be the scum team. I urge you to stay your hand until the analysis and information really starts paint a clear picture and there is a channel for you to coordinate with town. Ambitious as it may be, I am confident that we will be able to use you to turn a Mafia kill around on itself. That would be the ultimate form of humiliation for the scum.

Mad Hatter - There's not much I can really say to you. Like all blues, post as if you're a green. Bomb those #3 or #4 suspected players. I will have to trust your judgement on this - you are essentially playing on your own.

Assassins - Hello. Quite frankly I don't care about your little game. However, it is in your best interests to cooperate and work together with us. You are far more likely to be killed by Mafia, so you should assist us in neutralising them. I am also sure we can come to an information exchange agreement.

Thank you.

VOTE: Justin
 
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Hello I would like to run for Mayor. Here is my carefully thought out original plan for the game:

With the setup, coordinating the uninformed majority is not going to be easy. Multiple subversive roles. Unknown numbers of each role. With a starting KP of 4, we need to focus on getting one Mafia to the lynch. There is no real advantage to finding the entire scum team on Day 1 if we can't get them killed. In fact, it's more likely to be forgotten, and you tend to be wrong anyway when you try to do too much (unless Mafia really slip up hard). There is also value in withholding information. Figuring out the guilt of someone, not immediately announcing it but continuing to play the thread can help you discern the alignment of other players under scrutiny.

I would like to present THE PLAN.

Medics should protect the players that are making sense, the ones who are truly adding to the discussion. I am certain that there are no skilled bluesnipers amongst the Mafia, which means barring any foolish blues blurting out their role to the wrong person, the Mafia will want to target the players that are steering the town in the right direction. When such a player takes a hit, the medic should immediately roleclaim to that person. That person should open claim they took a hit (this is information the Mafia already know, and it can only help town to know as well).

(Brief aside - you should ALWAYS announce that you took a hit during the night (including as Veteran). This is 99% of the time information Mafia already have (because they're the ones who did it). This is very useful information when analysing the Day post, because it can help piece together where all of the hits went that night.)

That person will then be checked. I know there are framers and millers in the game, but I'm honestly not worried about that. The medic will then get checked as well. If both check out, they will come out and serve as figureheads for the town. They will be able to coordinate blue abilities, AND act intermediates between those blues and the elected officials, keeping the blues safe if the officials are corrupt.

Bodyguards should NOT reveal themselves to the elected roles, not until one or both of them have been confirmed. The principal reason is that if one of the two officials turns out to be Mafia, they can remove the bodyguards and kill the other official.

Detectives - I'm sorry to say it but the odds are stacked against you this game. Framers, Millers, Godfather and an errant Bus Driver are going to screw you up. Fortunately, the hosts haven't plagued you with additional problems like sanities and limits on your checks. Despite that, even with behavioural analysis, you will always have doubt behind whether or not the officials are Mafia. Thus, any plans revolving around forming a circle with the two elected roles are out of the window. You will literally be working alone until you get a working circle up on your own. No elected official is to be given any critical information, until they have been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be innocent. And for the love of god, watch who PM and do not open claim.

Medics - I've already set out what medics should be aiming to do above. You are one of the key players in finding trusted town as both you and your protectee are informed of a hit. You shouldn't have to worry about accidentally saving someone from a Vigilante hit because you should be protecting strong players that the vigilantes have no reason to hit. Only a bus driver can cause potential problems, but I will get onto that later.

Vigilantes - Mafia have no way of protecting amongst themselves. Because of this, I believe a Vigilante can safely publicly announce their hit before they carry it out. You only get one hit so after using it, it won't be such a blow to town if you proceed to die. BUT, fear not, for I have another plan. Some of you may have noticed me debating with Kayla the importance of knowing if Mafia have to send in hits individually (the case for TBT Mafia I and II), or if one person can send in all the hits. Now that I know I am town aligned, I want to explain this - if one of the scum team can be online right up until the Night deadline, they can make last minute changes to their hitlist before sending it in. Remember that actions cannot be changed or withdrawn once they are sent in. If individual Mafiosi have to send in their hits, they will likely have to send them long before the deadline due to sleep/school or whatever schedule. Why is this important? Because if Vigilantes announce who they will shoot just before the night ends, and sends in their action, it is more likely that Mafia will not be able to respond in time. When Day comes and we see that the person they claimed to have killed is dead, and all other KP have been accounted for, we can say it is reasonably certain that they are a real Vigilante. Sheriff can then protect him for two phases, while the town circle builds around him.

Additionally, by publicly announcing a hit, this will also reduce the risk of medics saving that hit by accident. Mafia could claim Vigilante and say they are going to hit X to try and gain cred or keep a medic off X, but this will be seen as suspicious as a real Vig shouldn't be targetting that person unless he is a prime suspect. And with all these roleclaims, we will soon realise that there are more claims than realistically possible, and all those vigi-claimers will be put under suspicion. If the Mafia kill the Vigs after they hit their targets, it also makes it riskier and more difficult for them to roleclaim Vig themselves. We also do not want intended incarcerations of suspected Mafia to fail because of a Vig hit, and vice versa. Thus once we have a confirmed innocent, all Vigs should also tell that innocent person who they will hit, who will then relay it to the Sheriff, whilst protecting the identity of the Vigs.

Bus Driver - You will be a headache to someone this game, and I intend for it to be the scum team. I urge you to stay your hand until the analysis and information really starts paint a clear picture and there is a channel for you to coordinate with town. Ambitious as it may be, I am confident that we will be able to use you to turn a Mafia kill around on itself. That would be the ultimate form of humiliation for the scum.

Mad Hatter - There's not much I can really say to you. Like all blues, post as if you're a green. Bomb those #3 or #4 suspected players. I will have to trust your judgement on this - you are essentially playing on your own.

Assassins - Hello. Quite frankly I don't care about your little game. However, it is in your best interests to cooperate and work together with us. You are far more likely to be killed by Mafia, so you should assist us in neutralising them. I am also sure we can come to an information exchange agreement.

Thank you.

VOTE: Justin

For reals? Half the roles aren't even in this mafia... o:
 
Just some thoughts on Superpenguin.

So far your posts have come across as quite aggressive to the current and past candidates. I like that you've put decent thought into the past mayors mistakes, though some of your suggestions also seem to all revolve around concealing information from the main thread. It's like you don't want people to outright trust you on one hand while on the other you don't want them to pass information to the town in place of you as mayor.
Feels like you are playing two separate games: Iloveyou from mafia II and Karla's sheriff in mafia III.

In all honesty, I don't have as much power over you guys as mayor as you may think I do.

This though, this I like. Something I've always tried to push in the past games. So long as you don't use the same flimsy logic you used in picking apart Oath's post, I could see you as mayor.

This sums up Superpenguin's gameplay thus far, really well. That's my biggest concern here, because I've picked up on some stuff that I've done during Mafia game 2. For example, I was playing pro-town too strongly (guiding them, telling them what to do, what would benefit them & etc.) to the point where I was called out as Godfather during the elections (shout out to VillageDweller).

Something that also kinda crossed my mind though is that, when Superpenguin was Mafia in Game 3 he tried to run for the elections & he was never this aggressive.

I feel like Tina's plan is very pretty on paper. It looks good and sounds good. She's definitely good with words, so I'm not jumping on the Tina train just yet. In my opinion she stands out the most right now for all the right reasons .. but is it too good to be true?

DAT JUSTIN CAMPAIGN POST DOE!!! I am considering voting for him!!
 
Question to our mayoral candidates: Who do you guys plan to lynch first? It's a little early for this question sure, but it's also an important one. I asked KarlaKGB and River about this, they said we ideally should have an idea but they are allowing a reasonable delay. I just don't want this to be a hasty last minute thing like in Mafia III, where they lynched Foxwolf for being anti-town.
 
I suppose "confirm" isn't the right thing to say.
Okay, 'claim', then, that I am a townie.

Kill me now, Mafia. -_-

I wold also like to point out that, since the game started, I have been less active than before. If anyone was around during Mafia I,
When I was Mafia, I cluttered the thread with posts every few minutes.

Okay, now just reading that last thing makes me think that you're scum, not posting much, and then saying "Look guys I'm not posting too much like I did in the first game when I was scum, this must mean I'm not scum now!" I'm not convinced of anything but this just looks like a ploy to redirect attention off yourself. Just putting that out there and calling you out on it.

Something that also kinda crossed my mind though is that, when Superpenguin was Mafia in Game 3 he tried to run for the elections & he was never this aggressive.

I feel like Tina's plan is very pretty on paper. It looks good and sounds good. She's definitely good with words, so I'm not jumping on the Tina train just yet. In my opinion she stands out the most right now for all the right reasons .. but is it too good to be true?

DAT JUSTIN CAMPAIGN POST DOE!!! I am considering voting for him!!

If I had to vote for someone other than myself, then I think I'd probably go with Superpenguin. You're right, it's an aggressive campaign run by an aggressive campaigner. I remember people drawing suspicion on SP and myself in Game III. To sum it up, we posted a lot more when the two of us were two rather than when the two of us were mafia. In my opinion, he's either revolutionary, which is consistent with his playstyle as previously mentioned in Game III, or he's White Russian and doing a really good job acting as a townie.

I don't particularly have much of an opinion on Tina's campaign. I don't know, it just seems very neutral and quiet to me.

One thing I do want to happen in this game which I touched on in my campaign post if I'm elected is that I do not want you all to instantly go with my judgement. One of the things that annoyed me, and is probably what contributing to Game III lasting so long is that it was so easy to just go along with Karla with voting. The mafia in that game were able to hide behind the votes of town. I want more discussion. If elected, I want town to bring up people who they think are White Russians, and I want them to discuss multiple suspects. I don't want an easy "Let's all pile on this one person".

Question to our mayoral candidates: Who do you guys plan to lynch first? It's a little early for this question sure, but it's also an important one. I asked KarlaKGB and River about this, they said we ideally should have an idea but they are allowing a reasonable delay. I just don't want this to be a hasty last minute thing like in Mafia III, where they lynched Foxwolf for being anti-town.

I saw this just as I was about to post.

I plan on asking some people why I shouldn't lynch them. I will analyze their post, and compare it to previous games. It isn't the best method, but it's better than lynching inactives, which I have been against.
 
I'd like to ask all the candidates a question: if you're elected, will you base you're first lynch candidate on reasons other than inactive-ness, because quite frankly, I think lynching someone based solely on being inactive is a weak reason. An inactive townie would be more beneficial for town than an active mafia, correct?

There are various factors to take into account such as:

  • Have they been active in other areas of the forum in that time?
  • How many people in total have been inactive?
  • Is anyone active appearing suspicious?

On the whole, I'd rather the first lynch went on someone we genuinely suspect: rather than an inactive or a distractive town player.



You do realize that someone coming to her telling her to inform the town of their own suspicions is a huge BLUE FLAG, right? This is not a good idea unless you trust the mayor..

People withhold posting for various reasons. We saw that when BBG PMed you last game. He was green. He just seemed to lack faith in himself. Many people do because they're scared of dying regardless of the significance role. It could just as easily be: a newbie townie who doesn't want to die; a strong townie who knows their contributions are going to be of use to town in the near future after they've accumulated more evidence; or a red trying to abuse the system.

Last game I couldn't voice my own opinion on a mafia member because I knew no one would have believed me: it would have been a suicidal move because I knew it would have gotten straight back to him and I also lacked proper evidence. I'm talking about VillageDweller in mini mafia.

It's because I felt stuck like this last game (where a move is simply suicidal), combined with BBG's surprising lynch, that I want to give that option to town.
 
In this photo from the future, you can see myself hard at work as Mayor of the town:

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To all the Mayor candidates:

What do you guys think of Mary's behaviour so far? Does it scream legit Townie or Mafia? She's obviously starting off as a distraction. I'm sure you guys can see how she'll become a problem for us in the future, if this keeps up that is.

How would you guys handle someone like Mary? :L

Of course. Basically, he stressed that we don't need to worry about scum mayors. This automatically sets off alarm bells in my head. Why wouldn't we need to worry? If he is scum, he would want us to be confident in the innocence of our leader, right? Like I said, complacency is the way to die. As far as I'm concerned, one cannot worry too much when playing Mafia.

Also, I would like to confirm my role.

I am a Townie. Believe it or not.

So lynch me.

I'm curious because I can already see her name floating around for Day One lynch. Personally, I doubt Mafia players would want to attract this much attention on to them this early in the game. There's always a chance she could be Mafia though.
 
To all the Mayor candidates:

What do you guys think of Mary's behaviour so far? Does it scream legit Townie or Mafia? She's obviously starting off as a distraction. I'm sure you guys can see how she'll become a problem for us in the future, if this keeps up that is.

How would you guys handle someone like Mary? :L





I'm curious because I can already see her name floating around for Day One lynch. Personally, I doubt Mafia players would want to attract this much attention on to them this early in the game. There's always a chance she could be Mafia though.

iLoveYou vs Mary: Deja vu.


Detectives, check me, citizens, lynch me, I am a Townie.
 
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