Mafia The Murder of Woodpines Oregon - Game Thread - Endgame

[unravel]

Dafuq?????????
Okay bye good luck and gratz Glow

 

[PunchyTheCat]

ok yeah, after a quick read I am helllllla suspicious of the people who flipped to waffles, and pretty sure they blitzed to save punchy last minute.

Yes, they blitzed to save me when they realized that I was town. Waffles was being very scummy, and didn't even try to defend himself.

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lol you sheep... there was no reason to switch, we get less information with waffles anyway. As well as you never switch vote to someone who doesn't get to claim.

another lesson learned and good on glow

Wtf this makes no sense. I was being TRed, and waffles was being very scummy.

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lol you sheep... there was no reason to switch, we get less information with waffles anyway. As well as you never switch vote to someone who doesn't get to claim.

another lesson learned and good on glow

Wtf this makes no sense. I was being TRed, and waffles was being very scummy.

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it wasnt even that convincing if u think for a second, why did everyone go along with it so easily in the last ten minutes of the day
gaaaaaaaah

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oh come on, how is a survivor a threat to town

Oh come on. Waffles copying Panda's reads, barely joking at all, sounds like scummy waffles to me.

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Okay so I'm still thinking you're Town. But there is NO WAY that a Waffles lynch would mean you're not a major candidate for the next lynch - along with anyone who was vocal about "saving" you. Especially if they had also happened to be calling for the lynch to move from you to Waffles. Which I did. Because I read you as genuine Town, and there were no answers or even a claim from Waffles.

So now I'm suspicious. Duh. But trying to pocket you? In the nicest possible way, what value to a Mafia!Amanda (or anyone else at this point) would pocketing you have? That's a sincere question, I'm not being snarky or anything. I just don't see the logic of why I might have been trying to pocket you at that point, given I would have had to know where we'd end up (as I'd be Mafia!Amanda in that scenario)?

Idk why I said that -_-

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I don't want to say this, but we all wouldn't have believed glow too if Waffles hadn't done that stupid placeholder vote.

And I swear to god if anyone placeholder votes or votes themselves I'll mod kill myself

Yes we would have?

 

[amanda1983]

its still a victory..we eliminated one of the threats to town.

That's how I see it. Both Lyncher and Survivor roles are Anti-Town, so all things considered I'm glad we've gotten that threat out of the way D1. Especially given that if the lynch had moved back to Punchy for any reason (say, a claim from Waffles), we'd have had an even bigger mess to deal with than we'd have realised... as glow would still be here to confuse us further, in addition to the fallout from the ML and the EoD mayhem to work through *and still needing to actually find and lynch Mafia*. Yikes, that was a close call.

it wasnt even that convincing if u think for a second, why did everyone go along with it so easily in the last ten minutes of the day
gaaaaaaaah

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oh come on, how is a survivor a threat to town

.... I'm not the most experienced of players but I am quite sure that Survivors are considered Anti-Town for a reason. And that's when they're not the calibre of player that glow is. Given the EoD mess, how on earth could glow still being the game actually be anything *but* a threat to Town???

she's not a survivor, she's a lyncher

She was actually Lyncher but would become a Survivor if she failed to lynch Waffles. Either way, she was at best Anti-Town.

Also I was certain punchy would be lynched and wanted to see what kind of information my vote on glow would generate.

Having gone back over those events and checked the timing, this makes sense to me. I'm sorry I didn't pick up on the discrepancy in pages glow mentioned needing to catch up on in posts #439 (14 pages) and then #441 (she speed-read last 5 pages), and that this happened in four minutes or less. Had I not been focused on Waffles, the copied reads, and how much I TR Punchy, I might have noticed this and paid more attention to her and her motivations. I mean, I'm glad things panned out the way did. But I'm sorry I missed such an obvious red flag. Thanks for catching it and not letting it go.

Dang glow would have still won if I was lynched.

If I understand it right then ya, she almost certainly would have won no matter what ; only way she'd have lost would be if she was NKd. And Waffles would probably have been lynched D2 - leaving us down two Town players instead of one, in addition to the extra cycle of time + effort lost on fulfilling glow's win/con instead of our own.

The more I think about it, the more happy I am with the outcome. We dodged a heck of a painful D2 because of how things played out.

Omg there was a double voter?!?

I'm not really familiar with roles that can double vote, I've only seen it in action once, in the last game (when Ness was President + had a double vote). I think I read in that game that it's *usually* handled as : player 'a' that has two votes, votes for player 'b' as usual (their one vote is visible in the thread), so then the vote tally will ultimately show player 'b' show one vote from player 'a' and also one secret vote.

gimme a sec to catch up, my mum made me serve pizza at school and i think im scarred for life

I was on a very crowded train when I read this and started laughing uncontrollably. I don't know why, but this was just the most hilarious thing I'd read all day. Thank you!

Dafuq?????????
Okay bye good luck and gratz Glow

I'm sorry. You got one heck of a bad RNG draw.

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EBWOP :

I'm not really familiar with roles that can double vote, I've only seen it in action once, in the last game (when Ness was President + had a double vote). I think I read in that game that it's *usually* handled as : player 'a' that has two votes, votes for player 'b' as usual (their one vote is visible in the thread), so then the vote tally will ultimately show player 'b' show one vote from player 'a' and also one secret vote.


And the other - uncommon - way it can happen is where they can place their two votes seperately, so on two different players. One done visibly, the other in secret via PM.

Have I understood that correctly??

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Vanessa just left without posting at all?

 

[cornimer]

Vanessa just left without posting at all?

I'm still here I'm trying to catch up.

Uhh so this is going to sound weird but why are Amanda and Seroja getting all the sus? Like ngl I find it a little sus how Amanda just showed up out of nowhere right before the lynch like SWITCH TO WAFFLES SWITCH TO WAFFLES when iirc she didn't seem very sus of Waffles before the lynch (I need to read back on that though). However she is not the only one who switched last minute, like why is nobody sussing me or Locket (not that I want to be sussed but I just find it weird that specific people are being targeted/sussed if that makes sense?)

 

[amanda1983]

Sorry, Idk why I even typed that honestly, I was more meaning to make a mental note that I'd seen you here (which stood out coz it was just you and me the whole time I was writing that wall of text), not actually a written one.

 

[cornimer]

Soooo ITYW, could you clarify your reads post when you come back please?

Ok this is the only post I found by Amanda in regards to Waffles before EoD

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Sorry, Idk why I even typed that honestly, I was more meaning to make a mental note that I'd seen you here (which stood out coz it was just you and me the whole time I was writing that wall of text), not actually a written one.

Gotcha

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So anyways seeing that Amanda only mentioned Waffles once pre-EoD I do find her enthusiasm to lynch her suspicious, however my question of "why is she the only one coming under scrutiny" still remains

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She did express that she townleaned Punchy in her reads list however, so wanting to get the lynch off of him was not totally unfounded at least.

 

[amanda1983]

As for when I became suspicious of Waffles - when I finally noticed what they'd written about me in their reads list (post #144). I then went back and checked the reads against Panda's (post #132) and posted my question to them with the two sets of reads quoted (post #382 which was sent just past 8pm my time). I didn't make a super big deal out of my question because I really wanted some answers.

Whilst I was checking in periodically after that, I didn't post as Waffles was now my focus. I wasn't going to launch a lynch for someone afk and unable to defend themselves.

Waffles posted at 3:30am their time (post #396) which was 6:30am my time, which I saw come through between naps but given they went back to sleep it wasn't appropriate for me to launch. So I went back to sleep, and accidentally overslept and had no time to even unlock my phone until I was on the train at 1:30pm my time (post #504).

So. My timing was terrible. I apologise for that, for adding to the chaos, and for helping ML Waffles. In that last half an hour of EoD I was here and ready to change my mind about my vote on Waffles at any point had they defended themselves at all. They were here. They did not.

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Gah **** when will I learn to *refresh* whilst I'm drafting a post, yikes? Sorry Vanessa, I just saw your post above me now, else I would have formatted my own just now to answer your points/questions/whatever. And have saved a ****-tonne of time + effort instead of seeing what you wrote in post #664 and deciding to write up the timeline + thinking I went through so y'all could see where I was coming from.

I know how I handled things wasn't great, to say the least. I didn't mean to contribute to the craziness, but I know that's what happened. I'm sorry.

If anyone has any more questions about this subject, please ask them. Otherwise, unless I somehow left out something I think is critical to share, I'm done talking about why I pushed for a Waffles lynch the way I did.

I'm going to sleep now. Please don't make a billion pages of drama for me to read through while I'm gone.

 

[Seroja]

I'm still here I'm trying to catch up.

Uhh so this is going to sound weird but why are Amanda and Seroja getting all the sus? Like ngl I find it a little sus how Amanda just showed up out of nowhere right before the lynch like SWITCH TO WAFFLES SWITCH TO WAFFLES when iirc she didn't seem very sus of Waffles before the lynch (I need to read back on that though). However she is not the only one who switched last minute, like why is nobody sussing me or Locket (not that I want to be sussed but I just find it weird that specific people are being targeted/sussed if that makes sense?)

my vote was questioned by toads and it could have just been that until evan decided to take an advantage of that situation. he was barely in the thread too when that happened and there were so many other players who he didn't even consider before making the list. it was like he was just handpicking which would be the most convenient to push.

 

[cornimer]

my vote was questioned by toads and it could have just been that until evan decided to take an advantage of that situation. he was barely in the thread too when that happened and there were so many other players who he didn't even consider before making the list. it was like he was just handpicking which would be the most convenient to push.

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying! I'm not taking a side in this argument yet but I find it weird that Evan only went after you when a lot of other people switched. Maybe it's because you were the only one online? I'd like to hear what he has to say on this

 

[toadsworthy]

Regardless punchy does not seem town, his defense was pitiful and more than ever we need him dead to help sort out this last second switch thing. If he turns out to be scum or town it can be very helpful with some retrospective analysis.

Vigilante should highly consider shooting punchy! I'm not saying do it, but at least think about it.

Detective should consider some of these other people like amanda or Seroja to inspect. If you get a scum inspection, make reads and make it obvious that you find them much more scummy than other people, so even if you die we can figure it out.

Rune you will be fine, I think I have more of a shot of death than you.

 

[Seroja]

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying! I'm not taking a side in this argument yet but I find it weird that Evan only went after you when a lot of other people switched. Maybe it's because you were the only one online? I'd like to hear what he has to say on this

the weirdest thing of all was that somehow I ended being the main reason for waffles' lynch which didn't make any sense. honestly if he's town this game then I don't know what he was thinking and how he came to that conclusion. hopefully he can give us better reasons for cherrypicking those 4 names out of many (amanda and punchy at least made sense somewhat).

 

[toadsworthy]

I never said you're responsible for waffles lynch, that was all glow and these sheeple. I just find your reasoning and actions during the lynch really uncharacteristic of town seroja

 

[Seroja]

I never said you're responsible for waffles lynch, that was all glow and these sheeple. I just find your reasoning and actions during the lynch really uncharacteristic of town seroja

toads sorry, vanessa and I were discussing evans, not you.

 

[Antonio]

Poor waffles

 

[cornimer]

Regardless punchy does not seem town, his defense was pitiful and more than ever we need him dead to help sort out this last second switch thing. If he turns out to be scum or town it can be very helpful with some retrospective analysis.

Vigilante should highly consider shooting punchy! I'm not saying do it, but at least think about it.

Honestly agreed (yes yes I know I'm a hypocritical sheeple), Punchy's death regardless of what he flips will give us more information than anything else at this point

 

[toadsworthy]

toads sorry, vanessa and I were discussing evans, not you.

I know, just wanted to make that known that I wasn't saying that

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Scum plz kill me now

 

[cornimer]

Scum plz kill me now

Even if you are town that's like the least likely thing to happen

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Even if you are town that's like the least likely thing to happen

Ik. Vig, please shoot me. I don't want to waste a lynch.

 

[dedenne]

Agreed with Vanessa and toads, I think lynching punchy next is our best bet.
And no more 1 second before EoD chaos!