Mafia The Quest for King - Mafia | Game Thread | GAME OVER

oh fyi don't expect me in today in general, I'll catch up tomorrow. Work literally has given me a headache
 
annika said:
i think it’s you
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i think you want us to focus on that group because everyone there besides you is town, and you’re the least likely to be killed if we focus there

daniel + geoni + 1
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can you give us some reasoning?
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Arstotzkan said:
oh fyi don't expect me in today in general, I'll catch up tomorrow. Work literally has given me a headache
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crying
 
It’s so hard to read Arost and Geoni with how little activity they have. Really makes it difficult

I’m considering Volt for king. @voltairenism we’ve walked the same path and as the most town in in my (and I think everyone’s eyes), I believe you need it
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I think Oath is town too. Him offering himself to kill Ness to test the hero theory does not feel maf motivated to me, even if it’s too risky a play to do at this point
 
voltairenism said:
can you give us some reasoning?
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tbh, i just get bad vibes from his posts whenever i look at them
that's it
it's not logical, so i'm not confident or anything, but i've had this feeling since d1 ...

Damniel said:
It’s so hard to read Arost and Geoni with how little activity they have. Really makes it difficult
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i remember thinking arsto was kind of townie for something in their catch-up on d1
hold on let me fetch it
Arstotzkan said:
page 30noting 'ribbon sus' to 'ribbon town' without much changing in that regard? Hm. I have had absolutely no ability to read ribbon atm (my brain fogs over whenever they post, nothing against you ribbon I think it's more likely to be my current mindset than anything on your end), but the fact that either the reads are co-existing without questioning one another or the reads are changed with no explanation isn't great. Might be worth looking into later when my eyes aren't bleeding.
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this observation seemed nice to me
it's not about Ribbit themselves, but about how everyone else is treating Ribbit
if they were mafia, this is a pretty creative observation to fake. I don't think a wolf would naturally think to suspect the townreads on Ribbit as a collective; they'd more likely focus on the individual reads imo

it is kinda weak, though, ig
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annika said:
i remember thinking arsto was kind of townie for something in their catch-up on d1
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d2** oops
 
yes i would love to be king because i am going to die

annika said:
tbh, i just get bad vibes from his posts whenever i look at them
that's it
it's not logical, so i'm not confident or anything, but i've had this feeling since d1 ...
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sighs

until ness or kat posts something that could make me see something else, i feel like going for jacob or ribbit. not sure abt tessa because i dont want to lose another [somewhat] chatty player
 
voltairenism said:
yes i would love to be king because i am going to die


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until ness or kat posts something that could make me see something else, i feel like going for jacob or ribbit. not sure abt tessa because i dont want to lose another [somewhat] chatty player
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i think they’re both town
why not geoni? if you don’t trust me on daniel
 
I’m gonna give a red read of Geoni because of how disconnected he is from the game. He hasn’t engaged with the current game state at all, besides telling Ness not to announce his kills. And his reading on the previous days felt so unproductive and out of touch (evidenced by asking Gabby questions). I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because he said he was busy and all (which I believe) but he’s chosen to do little with the little time he spends on the game. He really needs to step it up and start playing in the now
 
Damniel said:
I’m gonna give a red read of Geoni because of how disconnected he is from the game. He hasn’t engaged with the current game state at all, besides telling Ness not to announce his kills. And his reading on the previous days felt so unproductive and out of touch (evidenced by asking Gabby questions). I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because he said he was busy and all (which I believe) but he’s chosen to do little with the little time he spends on the game. He really needs to step it up and start playing in the now
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true
 
Before Ness role claimed and skewed the voting, Ribbit had voted and advocated for Ender to be king. Since Ender was killed the next day, I’m thinking Ribbit isn’t maf because of that? Ik I used this similar logic for Jacob’s vote on Shiny, but I’m wondering if people feel any differently on Ribbit’s vote?
 
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Before Ness role claimed and skewed the voting, Ribbit had voted and advocated for Ender to be king. Since Ender was killed the next day, I’m thinking Ribbit isn’t maf because of that? Ik I used this similar logic for Jacob’s vote on Shiny, but I’m wondering if people feel any differently on Ribbit’s vote?
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are you saying mafia sheeped my tr? ngl that gives me an ego boost
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I’m gonna give a red read of Geoni because of how disconnected he is from the game. He hasn’t engaged with the current game state at all, besides telling Ness not to announce his kills. And his reading on the previous days felt so unproductive and out of touch (evidenced by asking Gabby questions). I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because he said he was busy and all (which I believe) but he’s chosen to do little with the little time he spends on the game. He really needs to step it up and start playing in the now
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this

even if geoni is town i don’t think we lose anything by voting him (which ftr i do not, geoni hasn’t even seem that interested in the game and his reads aren’t reflecting him trying to actively scumhunt)
 
@Jacob4 hey pal, if I vote you in as king, you kill me. Deal?
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@Arstotzkan Day 1 I was trying to make it seem as if I was just a vanilla townie to further bait Oath into killing me. Day 2 I had the realization that my role was (probably) uncounter claimable and that I could live to endgame as a basically full-proof town member. How wolfish you think that is is up to you.

Also @Damniel idk why you think there’s room for debate that I’m lying is beyond me if you use the most likely annd logical outcome here.

Jacob4’s post feels extra wolfish to me in light of his new post. A mafia PR checking Trent, what? Why even suggest that?
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My headcanon right now is that the team is some combination of Jacob/Geoni/Tessa or Jacob/Daniel/Ribbit. Mix and match Dan/Tessa for those.

Unless of course it’s Oath or Arstotzkan and I just can’t see it being either at this rate. There’s no team combo of them that makes sense.
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I mean realistically let’s think about this: if y’all *really* think I’m lying then let’s elect the most unknown slots and have them kill me. Kill two birds with one stone.

Or of course, listen to what I initially suggested, understand that I’m telling the truth, and make me king again.
 
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@voltairenism Responding to your posts yesterday:

1. I'm willing to renew the terms and conditions of the alliance. How willing are you to murder bestie Dan or Jacob?
2. Tessa's ISO on Oath was something I didn't really read at all honestly. It was these two posts that erred me away from him (as silly as it may sound):
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I don't see how making you king guarantees you as a confirmed town.
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oath2order said:
Oh for god's sake.

I don't defend myself, you'd call me lazy and non-participatory and say that I should be killed.

I do defend myself, and you do this crap.
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3. Re:Jacob- I get the impression that he's a sheep who has tried to maintain zero controversy throughout the game. Pretty much every time someone has been called out as suspicious, he swoops in with some neutral comment on it or says something obvious; his posts lack a creative element to it. I read that post you asked if he had any info to be gained, and I think it was just a bunch of generalities.

Like seriously, he has put forth suspicion on one person in this game, and that is myself. I don't count him saying that ribbit/Tessa need to be "under more scrutiny" because he has never elaborated on either of them. I get the impression that he has been intentionally making town reads regarding things that have either already been said, or are incredibly obvious, in an attempt to appear that he's contributing.
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@annika I'm very curious to know your thoughts on this since I think tonally your posts are town: do you actually townread Jacob? You have played with him before and know him best out of anyone. Has he done anything that makes you think he is town beyond him hard townreading yourself?
 
annika said:
i think they’re both town
why not geoni? if you don’t trust me on daniel
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i dont feel anything particularly wolfy about geoni so far, it would be basically killing a player just out of paranoia. policy chops are not optimal anymore either

Damniel said:
Before Ness role claimed and skewed the voting, Ribbit had voted and advocated for Ender to be king. Since Ender was killed the next day, I’m thinking Ribbit isn’t maf because of that? Ik I used this similar logic for Jacob’s vote on Shiny, but I’m wondering if people feel any differently on Ribbit’s vote?
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i dont think an ender bw had much chance to pop off

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@voltairenism Responding to your posts yesterday:

1. I'm willing to renew the terms and conditions of the alliance. How willing are you to murder bestie Dan or Jacob?
2. Tessa's ISO on Oath was something I didn't really read at all honestly. It was these two posts that erred me away from him (as silly as it may sound):


3. Re:Jacob- I get the impression that he's a sheep who has tried to maintain zero controversy throughout the game. Pretty much every time someone has been called out as suspicious, he swoops in with some neutral comment on it or says something obvious; his posts lack a creative element to it. I read that post you asked if he had any info to be gained, and I think it was just a bunch of generalities.

Like seriously, he has put forth suspicion on one person in this game, and that is myself. I don't count him saying that ribbit/Tessa need to be "under more scrutiny" because he has never elaborated on either of them. I get the impression that he has been intentionally making town reads regarding things that have either already been said, or are incredibly obvious, in an attempt to appear that he's contributing.
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@annika I'm very curious to know your thoughts on this since I think tonally your posts are town: do you actually townread Jacob? You have played with him before and know him best out of anyone. Has he done anything that makes you think he is town beyond him hard townreading yourself?
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im willing to go for jacob but not dan. not today at least
 
voltairenism said:
i dont think an ender bw had much chance to pop off
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the whole reason i voted ender was because i thought it did have a chance to pop off, in fact my vote was a direct response to ness’ suggestions for people he might consider kinging:
N e s s said:
No idea frankly. I could be fine with Ender or Daniel.
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btw there could be another pr too? maybe we should look into that ourselves, or at least ask for claims before deciding to drop the hammer lol
 
N e s s said:
@voltairenism Responding to your posts yesterday:

1. I'm willing to renew the terms and conditions of the alliance. How willing are you to murder bestie Dan or Jacob?
2. Tessa's ISO on Oath was something I didn't really read at all honestly. It was these two posts that erred me away from him (as silly as it may sound):


3. Re:Jacob- I get the impression that he's a sheep who has tried to maintain zero controversy throughout the game. Pretty much every time someone has been called out as suspicious, he swoops in with some neutral comment on it or says something obvious; his posts lack a creative element to it. I read that post you asked if he had any info to be gained, and I think it was just a bunch of generalities.

Like seriously, he has put forth suspicion on one person in this game, and that is myself. I don't count him saying that ribbit/Tessa need to be "under more scrutiny" because he has never elaborated on either of them. I get the impression that he has been intentionally making town reads regarding things that have either already been said, or are incredibly obvious, in an attempt to appear that he's contributing.
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@annika I'm very curious to know your thoughts on this since I think tonally your posts are town: do you actually townread Jacob? You have played with him before and know him best out of anyone. Has he done anything that makes you think he is town beyond him hard townreading yourself?
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I think this is reasonable. My impression has been that Jacob is always generally distant from the game and has been hesitant to push a person/the game in any particular direction. There’s also there unusual read he has on Annika that I don’t think he’s ever really elaborated on besides possible meta
 
also is this tunnel just because i missed trent’s no kill thing

volt, i’m pretty sure you’re town, but you gotta read carefully. i’m /pretty adamant tunneling has only led our guts into sussing town.

literally all of our king kills have been prs. off to a terrible start.
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night for today
 
ribbitribbon said:
also is this tunnel just because i missed trent’s no kill thing

volt, i’m pretty sure you’re town, but you gotta read carefully. i’m /pretty adamant tunneling has only led our guts into sussing town.

literally all of our king kills have been prs. off to a terrible start.
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night for today
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im not tunneling
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im literally discussing 5 different players
 
Damniel said:
I think this is reasonable. My impression has been that Jacob is always generally distant from the game and has been hesitant to push a person/the game in any particular direction. There’s also there unusual read he has on Annika that I don’t think he’s ever really elaborated on besides possible meta
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an oversimplified rebuttal: he has said multiple times that he plans on ISOing players but hasn’t delivered to the best of my knowledge. If he has then it’s just been a vague townread on someone anyway. Gives me the feeling that he’s just been saying it for the heck of it.
 
dan, annika, ribbit are all town imo

dan feels like they're independent from most people in the game rn in terms of being unlikely aligned with them, the most plausible world im looking at rn is tess/ness/geoni, and all 3 of those players he feels fairly unaligned and seems unlikely rn that none of those would be wolves

ribbit strikes me as the same, i feel like she's had a kinda... 'combative' tone towards a lot of people in the game already, especially towards people who i'd consider likely to be wolves, which I consider to be unaligned in context. #1,070 feels unaligned with geoni to me as does #1,077 irt volt (typically imo telling people what to do like that if from mafia tends to be >rand town for the other person).

annika again is person im most confident is town and would be most confident in giving the king to - the push on dan feels genuine even if I don't really agree with it and I think wolf!annika has a tough time replicating that type of prolonged suspicion, usually I feel like she'd have taken it back at some point by now regardless of dan's alignment. she feels like she's feigning this sorta 'unbothered' tone when actually it does feel like she wants to solve the game which I've only really seen from her as town (may have explained this read before already I can't remember lol). I get a decent amount of my reasoning here is meta and just me having knowledge of how she plays as both alignments so I don't expect people to 100% get it but I'll just say her town meta is intrinsically in line with how believable she is - do you guys think her posts are unbelievable here? cause i really dont

of the 3 my ordering for voting as king would probably be annika>ribbit>dan

tessa feels like they're getting worse and worse as the game goes on I think I'd be most inclined to kill them first actually, maybe even before ness. wolf reading ness for killing the cop with king kill in #980 when she killed a PR herself with the king kill feels disingenuous, and feels like something a wolf makes up towards a buddy to seem not aligned

ness reasons for pushing me feel like blatant last ditch effort to try and get me out of the game because once they do it's probably close to game over for town. them thinking it's wolfy that I would speculate possible mafia investigative on n1 feels wolfy in itself to me and not like real reasoning, some sort of mafia invest role is very plausible and it's highly convenient that the cop died to the king kill especially on a player who was not even particularly suspected by everyone

tessa clearing ness for their role claim in #1,043 feels like a wolfy turnaround and very quick to change opinion of ness for what is imo little reason, a PR claim like that is easily fakeable especially in a closed setup. again makes me think that the 2 are both wolves

geoni feels somewhat likely to be wolf by poe now. everyone outside of him other than ness and tess feel more towny imo either tonally or in terms of solving / living outside the plausible wolf team worlds, he hasn't really shown any towny flare - ik he could be busy and stuff but things like #949 really dont do him any favours, that feels like typical wolf comment especially towards a buddy with the king kill, posturing to look as if they aren't aligned

volt posts in themselves feel like somewhat genuine solving to me but feels like they are largely sticking on the side of ness which makes me hesitate heavily irt them, in worlds where tessa and geoni aren't wolf, volt would probably be the next most likely to me for that reason. I don't feel comfortable giving them king

oath I feel kinda weird on. I find it weird that ness didn't kill him with the king kill despite pushing him basically most of d2. my theory is that ness could have been distancing from oath so they appear not w/w and that explains the difference in ness' action with the king kill vs what they were saying about oath on d2. But independently I find him alright on tone and feels kinda independent from the rest of the game to where its somewhat unlikely hed be in the more plausible worlds im considering rn
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Damniel said:
It’s so hard to read Arost and Geoni with how little activity they have. Really makes it difficult

I’m considering Volt for king. @voltairenism we’ve walked the same path and as the most town in in my (and I think everyone’s eyes), I believe you need it
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I think Oath is town too. Him offering himself to kill Ness to test the hero theory does not feel maf motivated to me, even if it’s too risky a play to do at this point
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idk where you get the idea that everyone would be comfortable voting volt here cause i sure don't feel comfortable with it

honestly fair point in respect to oath, feels somewhat unaligning with ness actually maybe?
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Honestly I think the fact that basically everyone is suspecting me here / has me in their PoE should be telling that I'm not mafia lol

like there are 10 players left alive right? so 7v3

do you guys really think the threadstate would be against me this much if i was a wolf lol given wolves are p close to parity, they would be defending my ass / pushing me as town or not pushing me as wolf in the first place. yet no one is doing that
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Also everyone seems to be posting when I'm not here which is annoying and I feel like is contributing to people wolf reading me cause I can't bounce ideas with people in real time -_-
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@ribbitribbon @annika

Are either of you down to campaign for king today? ik dan is (I think) so won't bother asking him, really I only feel comfortable with voting one of you 3 today
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ribbitribbon said:
are you saying mafia sheeped my tr? ngl that gives me an ego boost

this

even if geoni is town i don’t think we lose anything by voting him (which ftr i do not, geoni hasn’t even seem that interested in the game and his reads aren’t reflecting him trying to actively scumhunt)
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@ribbitribbon why do you think there's nothing to lose by voting (I assume to mean "killing" in this context) geoni if they're town? or are you saying you'd vote them to be king? I'm confused
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I wanna be voted for king here but I feel like no one would let me have that -_- I get a strong feeling town is going to lose if not me or one of my townreads is king tonight, feels like wolves can just easily control who can become king here and I don't like it
 
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