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[amazonevan19]

ok on a class computer (lel) so here are two posts of hikari's that stood out to me in particular

I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into this, but Vanessa seemed to be unusually protective of Locket after she was accused of being scummy. (I'm not familiar with these two players, so I don't know if they're friends outside of the game or something like that.)

I felt this was a good observation and would not be very smart if hikari was teamed with any of these players. Though I disagree with the implied conclusion (vanessa and/or locket are likely scum), it shows a good thought process

Since Ness chose not to claim blue until the last few hours of Day 0, I feel like he's telling the truth and I'll be voting for him.

(If he was a mafia member and fake-claimed as a blue role in an attempt to earn more votes from a guillable town, I think he would of done so sooner in order to get as many votes as possible. Instead, he hesitated (probably fearing that he might cause outrage from the town or his own death by the Mafia targeting him N1) and allowed for a convincing presidential candidate, Dolby, to become confirmed as town and possibly earn the votes of some early voters. He probably realized that the mafia would likely target him if he wasn't elected, since he was the only other major presidential candidate, resulting in the lost of a allegedly very valuable role for the town, which explains why he chose to claim now.)

Again, here we see a systematic thought process that I ultimately agree with. Hikari gets some points for accepting ness's claim; the fact a lot of people felt it necessary to doubt him long after it was established he's 99.99% likely to be good is kinda sketch.

What makes me slightly sus is that these two posts represent 33% of Hikari's entire posting history. POST MORE

 

[Biancasbotique]

and Dad, I don't get what you mean that I was anti-Vanessa? can you explain and when did I say or express that?

 

[toadsworthy]

I understand that. What I mean is that you don’t seem engaged with the thread and what’s happening, but I put you in null cuz replacements.

@Dad what do you think of Tina and Locket, and why are my townleans “cautionless” to you? I think that Hikari’s admittedly sporadic contributions seem to be in town’s best interests. About to leave for class so I can’t pull up an example rn but that’s how I feel

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Toads does make a good point about his prior sussing of me and I honestly don’t get why Dad is going after him for it. I don’t get why a couple people think his whole “woe is me, for I am being sussed” routine

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...is a good sign

Are you saying I'm doing a "woe is me, I'm being sussed routine" or Dad?

 

[amazonevan19]

Aren't they the same kind of context what you just said now.

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Are you saying I'm doing a "woe is me, I'm being sussed routine" or Dad?

you

 

[toadsworthy]

ok on a class computer (lel) so here are two posts of hikari's that stood out to me in particular



I felt this was a good observation and would not be very smart if hikari was teamed with any of these players. Though I disagree with the implied conclusion (vanessa and/or locket are likely scum), it shows a good thought process



Again, here we see a systematic thought process that I ultimately agree with. Hikari gets some points for accepting ness's claim; the fact a lot of people felt it necessary to doubt him long after it was established he's 99.99% likely to be good is kinda sketch.

What makes me slightly sus is that these two posts represent 33% of Hikari's entire posting history. POST MORE

You and dolby both are using percentages to make your argument seem stronger than it is. I think we should just focus on the content itself, and not forget the context of posts. I spent a huge chunk campaigning which I then said was stupid of me, because there are better roles that needed the protection than me. I also spent a huge chunk trying to reason if Ness could be trusted yesterday where those were conversations with lots of posts.

 

[Biancasbotique]

So you said that you don't get it that Toads doing a whole suss me woe me is accepted by town as good sign


when in the same statement , you said that Hiraki not contributing or posting less is in town's best interest...

 

[amazonevan19]

So you said that you don't get it that Toads doing a whole suss me woe me is accepted by town as good sign


when in the same statement , you said that Hiraki not contributing or posting less is in town's best interest...

I don't see how these two are related? confused af rn as to what you're getting at. Players seems to be wavering on toads simply because he's complaining about how sussed he is. I have hikari as a weak townlean because of their contributions.

 

[Biancasbotique]

I mean how can you say that you don't get it that some people will think that what toads did gave a good impression on town , yet you are quick to say that hiraki gave a good impression on you based on two posts.

maybe diffferent, but if you think about it, you are quick to get a good impression much like town did on toads?

 

[amazonevan19]

You and dolby both are using percentages to make your argument seem stronger than it is. I think we should just focus on the content itself, and not forget the context of posts. I spent a huge chunk campaigning which I then said was stupid of me, because there are better roles that needed the protection than me. I also spent a huge chunk trying to reason if Ness could be trusted yesterday where those were conversations with lots of posts.

I'm using percentage to state a fact regarding Hikari, that the two posts I highlighted are literally a third of her ENTIRE contributions to the thread. While I agree quality > quantity, 67 pages in is more than enough time to have posted once every 11.167 pages on average. So that's partially why they're a weak townlean cuz I need to see more

 

[Biancasbotique]

but anyway nevermind ...back to scummy activity y'all...

 

[amazonevan19]

I mean how can you say that you don't get it that some people will think that what toads did gave a good impression on town , yet you are quick to say that hiraki gave a good impression on you based on two posts.

maybe diffferent, but if you think about it, you are quick to get a good impression much like town did on toads?

ohhhh ok that makes sense

Because toads, in his dozens of posts, has arguably done less to help town than Hikari has done in their 6 posts to help town, imo. I also don't think it's wise to let toads off the hook once he started *****ing, whereas Hikari has obviously done nothing of the sort because she's just been plain inactive and not generally sussed

 

[toadsworthy]

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yeah but its mostly because I'm upset with the hypocrisy going around here and bs tactics being used.

I stated very early on I didn't trust Dolby or Ness and acted on it by "campaigning" which everyone is giving me crap for it, but almost everyone expressed some concern about them at some point (Ness's claims kinda stopped that, but even now some people still question him...). But I'm the one getting all the flak for it because of how I campaigned, I understand trying to play mediator looks like scum trying to act town, but I literally did the same thing in Kingmaker, which no one wants to admit is true. I just feel like there is a lot of unnecessary sus on me, I keep defending myself and giving my point of view, but it really doesn't seem like anyone cares or read what I said... which makes me even more frustrated. I've tried just playing the game and giving out my reads, but then those are picked apart too because everyone already has this pre-conceived notion about me. Meanwhile, some people are saying that I have a point at times.... So then I defend my reads from weak cases (like dad's or dolby's), and I'm just painted more as a defensive piece of scum.

 

[Biancasbotique]

ohhhh ok that makes sense

Because toads, in his dozens of posts, has arguably done less to help town than Hikari has done in their 6 posts to help town, imo. I also don't think it's wise to let toads off the hook once he started *****ing, whereas Hikari has obviously done nothing of the sort because she's just been plain inactive and not generally sussed

Well, that's what I am saying. Town is quick to say somebody's confirmed this and that . and where's the proof? I mean Mason? where's the proof? Choose your own Adventure Ness? Where's the proof?

 

[toadsworthy]

Well, that's what I am saying. Town is quick to say somebody's confirmed this and that . and where's the proof? I mean Mason? where's the proof? Choose your own Adventure Ness? Where's the proof?

Choose your own adventure ness lololololol

You need to stop thinking about physical evidence needed and think about the game as a whole and what those roles are.

Do you really think Ness could come up with that, spin it as a lie during his campaign flawlessly, and then come out on top? Yes its possible, but its highly not probable he would do that as scum. You can say safe claim, but thats not a necessarily easy safe claim to give even for experimental.

Masons are huge targets for mafia, you kill one and the other is cleared. Its hard to fake masons and the only alternative is that they are scum together. Which if they are, it would be a bold and dumb move to make that early.

Thats why I believe them

 

[Byngo]

Well, that's what I am saying. Town is quick to say somebody's confirmed this and that . and where's the proof? I mean Mason? where's the proof? Choose your own Adventure Ness? Where's the proof?

no one is saying they’re 100% confirmed but we r reasoning that they likely r telling the truth. that’s kinda what mafia is about.......

 

[Biancasbotique]

Choose your own adventure ness lololololol

You need to stop thinking about physical evidence needed and think about the game as a whole and what those roles are.

Do you really think Ness could come up with that, spin it as a lie during his campaign flawlessly, and then come out on top? Yes its possible, but its highly not probable he would do that as scum. You can say safe claim, but thats not a necessarily easy safe claim to give even for experimental.

Masons are huge targets for mafia, you kill one and the other is cleared. Its hard to fake masons and the only alternative is that they are scum together. Which if they are, it would be a bold and dumb move to make that early.

Thats why I believe them

Well that's why I had to find out yesterday if its even credible that Jagmeet Singh is in this case and when I confirmed that Trundle is Canadian, I was like oh ok, and knowing that Trundle is shapeshifter crazy , so it clicks and Ness is semi cleared.

As for the Dolby and Punchy, that thing is a whole mess with Punchy going crazy claiming, which if they have a Quicktopic together, dont you think Dolby would allow Punchy to do that...yet there it is, he started the talk so Im thinking its pre-planned sometimes..I like to believe them, but remember when you and Vanessa did this whole charade about "Oh vanessa is lying , she admitted to me"..so im taking this with a grain of salt

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I mean would stop Punchy from doing that whole mess in the beginning.

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no one is saying they’re 100% confirmed but we r reasoning that they likely r telling the truth. that’s kinda what mafia is about.......

That I get, that's why I roll my eyes when people say that Dolby and Punchy are confirmed.

 

[cornimer]

and Dad, I don't get what you mean that I was anti-Vanessa? can you explain and when did I say or express that?

I was confused by this too, I just saw one post where Bianca called me a liar but she does this every game lol

 

[Biancasbotique]

I was confused by this too, I just saw one post where Bianca called me a liar but she does this every game lol

yeah it wouldn't be a game with both of us in it without me calling her #liar once..which you did fabulously btw last game lol

 

[toadsworthy]

The me and Vanessa thing was in an improbably role mafia, which is like experimental turned up. This is experimental for the election portion we had day 0. I do admit that I think there is something we aren't being told about Dolby and Punchy or something off, but I don't think its a big deal right now. The shapeshifter role is meant for a scummies or insane role setup... not an experimental game. Spending time to look up the host and thinking about the likelihood of a role name in a game is BAD REASONING, we tell you this every single game when you take a bad train of thought and run with it. Look at the content of peoples' posts and play the game that way...

not weigh the possibility of a canadian political figure because the host is canadian

 

[Biancasbotique]

Let me ask you this. Do you even know who Jagmeet Singh is?