Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[Heyden]

Tbh if Ness is in fact scum, then the 'bodyguard' is too, and idk why they would put their eggs in one basket considering 2 dead scum equals a KP drop. I can see it from a scum strategy perspective but it's pretty risky imo.

Regardless I think we should move on from Ness for now, I don't think the majority of town would be willing to vote him either anyway.

 

[Geoni]

the likelier scenario is that mafia just didn't realize that they can opt to withhold KP

Look at these kill choices and tell me that the likely scenario is that not a single person on their team was sharp and experienced enough to know they could withhold KP in mafia. You're sharp enough to realize and out in the thread how the optimal mafia strat is to strive for mislynches and withhold KP for that reason and yet you really think these kills were all made by a group all too inexperienced to realize they can withhold KP. Not buying it.

 

[Heyden]

@Dad the only 'skilled' players left who I'd say are capable at bluensniping are you, Glow and Ness, all three which I townread atm. The only other person that comes to mind is Trundle, who said Toads was 'obvious town' but was acting weird. I don't know about you guys but weird acting people are either interpreted as third parties or blues from a scum perspective, so I think Trundle perfectly fits that category. Trundle would also kill Oaths for the lols too imo.

The general consensus rn is a Trundle lynch and I don't think any good defence will get him out of this situation, so if he sees this I'd rather him just claim than wasting time back and forthing bc we're not really gonna get anywhere.

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Also what are your thoughts on Vanessa/Kammm/Amanda?

 

[amanda1983]

2. trundle: has been pretty coasty so far this game but there hasnt really been anything too weird except that surrender reaction test thing (like what did u expect, town and mafia are gonna say the same thing here no matter what) so tiny sl until he posts proper reads

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I'm sorry Ness, Idk why I was sure this was you.

 

[Geoni]

Me still being alive is the wine we're tasting imo.

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@Dad the only 'skilled' players left who I'd say are capable at bluensniping are you, Glow and Ness, all three which I townread atm. The only other person that comes to mind is Trundle, who said Toads was 'obvious town' but was acting weird. I don't know about you guys but weird acting people are either interpreted as third parties or blues from a scum perspective, so I think Trundle perfectly fits that category. Trundle would also kill Oaths for the lols too imo.

The general consensus rn is a Trundle lynch and I don't think any good defence will get him out of this situation, so if he sees this I'd rather him just claim than wasting time back and forthing bc we're not really gonna get anywhere.

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Also what are your thoughts on Vanessa/Kammm/Amanda?

I'm pretty adamant that Vanessa was quite pushy and it could very well have been opportunism day 3. Kammm has been coasting. Amanda has Gig's one weird moment against her but she seems to be making some reads that express a lot of consideration for multiple options. I haven't played with Amanda before, is she a sharp mafia player?

Also I need to read read the last forty pages or so rather than blitzskim them but why is Trundle the general consensus exactly?

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Amanda, what about Vanessa is bringing her down from TL to null for you but isn't significant enough to bring her down to a sr?

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I also need to read into it, but people are voting for Kermit a little too fast for my comfort. The two that bother me the most are Kayla and Evan. Heyden has expressed sus before now but I don't recall Kayla and Evan holding her to the same level of scrutiny Heyden was on D3. Given how dire the consequences are for a single mislynch (will auto-lylo us) I feel like people are jumping on Kermit and not considering how she's not exactly the helpful town player when she's town and in general has become a wacko. And GhostKid is new and doesn't know how Kermit can be. That being said he did seem to comprehend alongside glow that mafia will be playing this with the mislynching goal in mind. I need to reread but that is my initial reaction to taking a peek at the voting thread.

 

[Geoni]

This game is downright infuriatingly difficult to face because literally anything can be a push for a mislynch. That being said, I think reads that have been around for a while are more trustworthy than sudden pushes that come off as a player's scumread of someone going from 30% to 90% (because 0 to 100 lacks subtlety) in the matter of a day.

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btw someone with time: check to see if Runeraider ever suspected FireNinja again after N1. Because if he didn't then I find FN's claim more trustworthy and can scratch him off my list.

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the quote is literally provided in that post, i forgot to color it green but Rune had FN as a hard townlock

I'm glad Ness turns out to be on the same track in terms of windling down the pool if he can and it kind of pushes him higher up into being a townread for me in combination with the bodyguard thing and how it makes sense for him to have been chosen alongside Rune.

 

[amanda1983]

i'm speaking from purely a mechanical POV, not strategy. unless you think i'm mafia with exactly ness, then you think i played suboptimal by sending in an extra KP for no reason. i mean, you could say i did it for WIFOM or whatever and that'd be at least sorta legitimate? but to say that it's not suboptimal at all is just false.

there's literally 3 clears because of the move mafia made lmao. if you think i'd risk that regardless of my own position then uh..ok. also, you said it yourself: i'm widely sus'd so why would i purposefully narrow down the pool? no amount of WIFOM is worth 3 town clears.

i originally said it because when i was reading through the thread, i thought it'd be only 1 kp since nobody was outing as hit. when ness outed after already posting something else it immediately made me doubt his claim and confirmation bias hit me like "ya ness is def smart enough to fake a hit". but it was all sort of just instinctual paranoia and the likelier scenario is that mafia just didn't realize that they can opt to withhold KP

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also, sussing trundle and using my quotes as a reason to sus trundle and then sussing me shows a rather odd disconnect in your reads

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My bad sorry. I was trying not to give you too much ammo to work with, but ya, WIFOM is what I was thinking, and is certainly the only reason I was describing that play as "Optimal" under the circumstances.

I don't agree with your conclusion that it's likely that Mafia just didn't know they could withhold KP, that doesn't fit with how skillful the NKs have been, last night aside. But thanks for explaining your perspective, I can see where Town!glow could be coming from in this aspect now which I haven't really been able to see at all til now in your play.

As for the Trundle thing, ya, I can see that from Town!glow PoV
But
a) I'm trying to consider all the angles, and whilst I don't necessarily think it's likely that you + he are both Mafia together, I can't think of any actual reason that makes that scenario unlikely tbh
b) I take info where I find it. If I had indicated I'm *sold* on Trundle being scum because of that post you made then you'd have a fair point but what I said in post # 2803 was :

I'll go back through his posts and confirm the context of the quotes glow posted, along with the posts I was already concerned about. It's still REALLY early in D4 to be trying to lock in votes as far as I'm concerned, but as of rn Trundle is my top SL.

c) I love you but you wrecked me last game. I'm gonna remain more than a tiny bit skeptical about your alignment until, frankly, I see your role posted. This is obviously not a valid reason to SL or SR you, I'm well aware of that. But c'mon. In combination with your desire to avoid meta, the way you've been playing differently + volunteering so much content that seems more helpful to Mafia than Town.. I think you've legitimately earned more than a "?" about your alignment this game.

 

[Geoni]

to be honest if I'm right about who the Bodyguard is, I'd prefer it if they keep themselves hidden. Fireninja and this BG are probably the last remaining blues in the game and I don't want to see the BG outted just yet.

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oh and there is also Doctor (maybe) i guess but 8 blues really? town feels really damn powerful if there is a doctor

Don't forget about the insane person giving people doublevotes.

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if doctor outs they won?t die (since there?s bg)

if doctor gets roleblocked it?s good for us, we don?t want saves because if mafias smart they would only make 1 kill a night

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cracking how l o l

idk but cut to my facecrack when you acted suspicious of there being too many blues just a few pages ago and yet here you are theorizing on the possibility of there ALSO being a doctor in addition to bodyguard, vote giver, innocent child, and all the dead blues.

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Just a few pages before you posted that when I say a few pages ago.

 

[iLoveYou]

Also I kinda noticed

Kermit had already replaced Mog a few hours before, so if they were scum buddies wouldn't Tom know Mogyay was already out of the game? Unless it's some intentional mind game Tom is trying to play but I don't think he's the type of person to concuct something like that idk

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btw this game is kinda broken not gonna say why obviously but scum can easily win rn

When Tom voted on Mogyay, I didn't think too much of it because if I remember correctly she didn't have any votes on her so it's not like she was in any danger of anything ( should she be mafia ). I think it's possible he would try to do a little something before he left the game. If they were both mafia then I'm sure he would try to protect her by making a move like that.

@ Dad: I have posts going all the way back to Day One on why I find mog ( now KermitsTea ) might be hiding a mafia role. They may be different people but they do have the same role.

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Also, Tom wasn't actually active in the game that day at all so he probably didn't know about the replacement.

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Hold on I'll get all my quotes actually but I really need to finish the event on Animal Crossing before it ends tonight so :/

 

[Heyden]

@Dad oh I'm not actually gonna keep my vote on Kermit I sorta just forgot to move my vote off her

and Fire and Rune were obv linked bc they kept saying 'F' to each other, and they townlocked each other throughout the whole game. I don't think FN is lying at all.

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8 blues isn't a stretch considering they had a Mafia JoaT, I expect they also have Godfather/Roleblocker/Framer maybe even Mafia Doctor considering the amount of town killing roles

 

[iLoveYou]

Oh sincd Dad wants to look at posts from early in the game, I had some on Trundle too from Day One around the time we were voting:

Mogyay:

Now for bandwagoners .. there are moments in this game that stand out as moments where mafia members may have seen an opportunity to post at an attempt of hiding or blending in.

- People using fillers in their post against the way I wanted to lynch even though I had dropped it.

When I moved on from discussing the lynch and started calling people out, there was a mini wave of players who decided to rehash the arguments from the big debate. Specifically Dolby's statements. Now given that players had already mentioned that they were leaning Town for Dolby and that it appeared he was actively scum hunting. That could have been a way for them to sneak some Town credit through filler posts.

1. Several players bandwagoning against my lynching views

I truly believe certain players were filling up their posts with differently worded statements from the Dolby arguments. They were just repeating things to add content in my opinion. Considering he was openly discussed as leaning Town other players could definitely take the opportunity to mimic his behaviour / views in the thread to create seemingly pro-Town posts. Players that fall in this category for me are: mogyay, Ryumia and Toad a tiny bit. At the moment Toad is my least suspected.

This does not mean I am dropping the people I suspect from my previous post.

To add to this, Mog was one of the people bandwagoning left and right ( from wanting to lynch Antonio to Dedenne ). I had quoted Jacob agreeing with him so I'll do it again:

I"VE NEVER SPED READ 10 PAGES THAT QUICK IN MY LIFE

I've been busy painting a gift all day to continue on my coast read on mog, but I still feel some confidence on her being scum. A red flag while skimming:

"surely mafia would at the very least do a locket or antonio and just sit back and do nothing, " is coming from a player that has been probably the most "OK"-with-every-lynch-candidate player. It just feels like she's trying to make us think, look for someone who isn't completely open to new wagons, and is sticking to these players. essentially driving focus away from herself. Idk, she's the best scum lean I get. My vote is on mog (sorry baby <3 )

I agree that she is very suspicious. Why isn't she posting ? Why is she only active near the end of Day One when she has to make a vote ?

Honestly I was still thinking mogyay/replacement but I'm not sure if that's fair anymore ?

I mean look at what the replacement did .. ? That's just very weird.

You do realize end of day is in 40 minutes right ? Why do you think now is a good time to be like "jk gtg bye friends" ?

^ please read the discussion in that section sorry couldn't quote everything





Trundle:

Trundle

He is trying way too hard to get in Dolby's good graces. From "clearing" Dolby as definite Town early on ( compared to GhostKid ), to saying he's surprised he isn't getting Town read by him .. I just think that he is trying to "hide" and not have to deal with Dolby. Why would he do that ? Potentially because Dolby is actively scum hunting. The issue is that I haven't played with him in years so I can't read his play style as well as others. You guys seem to be leaning Town on him but I can't shake off the feeling that he's trying to "hide" under Dolby who everyone is getting Town leans on. I would not suggest him for a Day One lynch but I do suggest we keep an eye on him at best.

Okay, first of all Trundle is way too quiet for Day Two. I know for a fact he is usually pretty vocal throughout these games. Also he said he would put up a post on Day Two so I really want to see that, hopefully before the day ends. At this point he definitely looks like he's "hiding" behind Dolby. He is coasting right now and I don't think that's a good thing. I am hoping that we get Tom lynched though because, personally for me, he is my biggest scum lean right now. I honestly find it weird that no one is bringing Trundle up though ?

I'm just going to post once D2 hits, I haven't even read up yet on the pages I missed.

What exactly were you going to post ? I saw you come into this thread and then leave. No comments Trundle ?

This quote I had found suspicious because for some reason it made it seem like he knew he would live until D2. I asked him what he wanted to post but I don't think he ever responded.

~ts too hard to edit quotes for me to pretend the second part of kaylas post is here~

dw too much about the first bit, it was more of an observational joke than anything. tho apparently u felt the need to defend urself against it sooo
also u didnt reply to the bit about trundle, why would he try and be buddy buddy with dolby if hes on the same team as him? wouldnt it be better to do what u said and distance himself from dolby to not arrouse suspicion?

Trundle was trying to be buddy / buddy with Dolby only on Day One correct ? That might have been so he does not have to get called out by Dolby who was deemed leaning Town so he can coast right through without us thinking anything of it. Today is Day Two and he is literally not commenting on anything up to now, which actually can be seen as distancing himself.

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Trundle on Day One with Dolby, is not the same as Trundle on Day Two with Dolby. If Dolby flips red I don't think that is a coincidence.

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On that note I am actually very curious to see who Trundle will vote for today.

if he really was teamed with dolby i dont kniw if he would be that blatant in trying to buddy up with him. i feel like theyed just tr each other and leave it at that, idk if he would post smth like the 'i cant believe dolby hasnt tr me yet' thing.

but i could definitely see him being maf just by himself tho, hes been coasting a lot this game

This was based on whether Dolby would flip red or not. Knowing now 100% that he was Town, I guess this isn't as valid anymore. But I decided to post it anyways because I think Trundle's interactions with Town Dolby may be a reason why he is coasting so much ( if he is mafia ).

Barebones Reads based on how each person has posted so far this game. Grey means not enough content for me to read properly.

Vanessa
PunchyDaHufflepuff
Trundle
Runeraider
Kammm
Tom
Dolby
N e s s
Ghostkid
Heyden
amazonevan19
Ryumia
Antonio
iLoveYou
mogyay
PandaDarling
Gigalabesh
Jacob
Dad
FireNinja1
glow

Please just ask questions based on my reads rather than making me type out my every thought. Also, fun fact, this is one of my least confident reads lists ever. I think a lot of the mafia are coasting.

He hasn't been giving reads all game. Just colouring names.

I know you're asking Trundle but if I can throw my opinion out there, to be honest he looks like he is coasting by too.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Do you guys want me to bother to defend myself? I am town and these accusations just came out of left field. Ness, if you think I bussed scum JoaT in my very first post you are not thinking things through very clearly lol

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The issue is that I have been pretty apathetic to this entire game so it's hard to find motivation to put effort in

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Also shoutout to Dolby who is probably losing his mind in OBS

 

[cornimer]

I don't know how I feel about a Trundle lynch tbh, I strongly townread him before for his tone but Ness brought up some good points in his ISO (and I fully believe Ness is town, he'd have no reason to fake claim being saved when he was already townleaned). However we have to be aware of how easy it could be for scum to push a mislynch right now.

 

[Heyden]

Do you guys want me to bother to defend myself? I am town and these accusations just came out of left field. Ness, if you think I bussed scum JoaT in my very first post you are not thinking things through very clearly lol

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The issue is that I have been pretty apathetic to this entire game so it's hard to find motivation to put effort in

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Also shoutout to Dolby who is probably losing his mind in OBS

Aren't you like, notorious for bussing your scummates, idk why you're acting like it's not something you'd do. Yeah you scumread Tom but you never really actively pushed him even though he was your highest sus read, instead you focused on the general town scumreads rather than your own. You still strayed away from him on Day 2 until the consensus was that he was gonna be lynched, and that's when you hopped on the wagon. Also, wifom again.

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I don't know how I feel about a Trundle lynch tbh, I strongly townread him before for his tone but Ness brought up some good points in his ISO (and I fully believe Ness is town, he'd have no reason to fake claim being saved when he was already townleaned). However we have to be aware of how easy it could be for scum to push a mislynch right now.

Who do you proposed lynched then? Yes it's easy for scum to push mislynches rn, but Fire should be townlock and Evan is town to me and their also onboard with the Trundle lynch so I'm unaffected rn
I originally townread Trundle too, but I think he's just heavily pocketing me. I think he attempting to pocket Dolby but that didn't work so it moved onto me, imo. Plus POE, idk who else would be scum at this point.

 

[Ghostkid]

Im keeping my vote for now on karen tho my taunting her in all caps dosnt seem to be bringing her out...it probs is just making everyone feel uncomfortable.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Aren't you like, notorious for bussing your scummates, idk why you're acting like it's not something you'd do. Yeah you scumread Tom but you never really actively pushed him even though he was your highest sus read, instead you focused on the general town scumreads rather than your own. You still strayed away from him on Day 2 until the consensus was that he was gonna be lynched, and that's when you hopped on the wagon. Also, wifom again.

If you go back and read just about any game Tom is scum and I am town, I have him read as scum D1 and lynched before end of D2 in vast majority of games. I'm not saying I lead his lynch this time around (because I have been incredibly disinterested in this entire game), but unless you actually think I'm scum I have had very good reads so far this game.

Also @ my read on Runeraider, I thought he was town for most of the game just based on how active he was and the amount of effort he was putting into his reads, but I just didn't agree with most of his reads by the end of last night. I shifted to a scum lean but I didn't post about it because I've just been lurking.

ALSO RIP I'm heading out of town today with my work so I won't be on until like 12 hours from now (unless I can sneak in on my phone)

 

[Heyden]

If you go back and read just about any game Tom is scum and I am town, I have him read as scum D1 and lynched before end of D2 in vast majority of games. I'm not saying I lead his lynch this time around (because I have been incredibly disinterested in this entire game), but unless you actually think I'm scum I have had very good reads so far this game.

Also @ my read on Runeraider, I thought he was town for most of the game just based on how active he was and the amount of effort he was putting into his reads, but I just didn't agree with most of his reads by the end of last night. I shifted to a scum lean but I didn't post about it because I've just been lurking.

ALSO RIP I'm heading out of town today with my work so I won't be on until like 12 hours from now (unless I can sneak in on my phone)

a) Which games? Not that it's a valid point but jw. Only game I can find is AoT where he was lynched as scum D1 but you were townreading him, so.

b) Rune posted his reads like, 5 mins before EoN. Did you srsly shift him up to a scumlean in a matter of like 5 minutes and was 'shocked' when he died? idk dude that's sketch af

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how are there 16 players left it feels like 6

 

[cornimer]

Who do you proposed lynched then? Yes it's easy for scum to push mislynches rn, but Fire should be townlock and Evan is town to me and their also onboard with the Trundle lynch so I'm unaffected rn
I originally townread Trundle too, but I think he's just heavily pocketing me. I think he attempting to pocket Dolby but that didn't work so it moved onto me, imo. Plus POE, idk who else would be scum at this point.

How bad is it if I say I don't know everyone seems like town to me

 

[Geoni]

The issue is that I have been pretty apathetic to this entire game so it's hard to find motivation to put effort in

When the light in the lighthouse went out so did mine. This still feels like it's going to end up being a mafia win and I'm lowkey pissed because I put effort into this, especially early on. All I know is I hope glow is mafia.

 

[Heyden]

How bad is it if I say I don't know everyone seems like town to me

Well the only thing I can suggest to to read back cos that’s not true rip