Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[iLoveYou]

Not much else left and it's a classic mafia roleblocker claim. Even people like Endless try to pull it off.

This post made me ask my question, Heyden.

 

[Heyden]

This post made me ask my question, Heyden.

Ya, mafia roleblockers try to pull off the town roleblocker claim. But like, where did you get the idea that glow was town and pulling off a fake town roleblocker claim

 

[Geoni]

so you think both votes are a ML?

I'm just not sure on either of them. I actually do see the points Heyden is bringing up on Trundle but not most of the other points people brought up against him before that post on this page. In general Trundle is a soft townlean because he was wrong about Punchy and is wrong about me but right about Tom and Dolby, which is a mixture of correct and incorrect reads that makes me not wholly buy the meta points Heyden brings against him. Plus I empathize with his genuine defeatism about the game and the joke but probably not joke of town surrendering.

Karen I do kinda see as the votegiver. But at the same time I think the stupid self-sacrifice moment on D3 in regards to voting for Punchy and then turning around to act/hint blue is still a point against her, and her utilizing the blue hint doesn't excuse her from airing her reads and Kayla is right to see that as coasting.

But neither of these accumulate the way the points against glow do for me.

 

[Heyden]

am i misunderstanding something im confused

 

[iLoveYou]

Ya, mafia roleblockers try to pull off the town roleblocker claim. But like, where did you get the idea that glow was town and pulling off a fake town roleblocker claim

Glow never claimed that though ? I never said that either. I'm literally just asking a question lols.

 

[Heyden]

Glow never claimed that though ? I never said that either. I'm literally just asking a question lols.

Just confused why that question came up, anyway, what are your thoughts on Trundle?

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Ryumia who do you plan on voting.

 

[iLoveYou]

Just confused why that question came up, anyway, what are your thoughts on Trundle?

It came up because I'm pretty sure no one would even believe the claim of a "Town roleblocker". I've never heard of that role before except as a mafia role. So why would Town want to do that ?

I posted my thoughts one second I'll go back and quote

 

[Geoni]

We've had it multiple times since you stopped playing here Kayla.

And I mostly just think it's glow making another gambit because of how certain I feel about her Heyden. Then again, I'll just wait to see what she actually claims to be. *shrug*

 

[iLoveYou]

Oh sincd Dad wants to look at posts from early in the game, I had some on Trundle too from Day One around the time we were voting:

Mogyay


To add to this, Mog was one of the people bandwagoning left and right ( from wanting to lynch Antonio to Dedenne ). I had quoted Jacob agreeing with him so I'll do it again

^ please read the discussion in that section sorry couldn't quote everything


Trundle:


This quote I had found suspicious because for some reason it made it seem like he knew he would live until D2. I asked him what he wanted to post but I don't think he ever respond

This was based on whether Dolby would flip red or not. Knowing now 100% that he was Town, I guess this isn't as valid anymore. But I decided to post it anyways because I think Trundle's interactions with Town Dolby may be a reason why he is coasting so much ( if he is mafia ).

He hasn't been giving reads all game. Just colouring names.

That's where I posted my thoughts on trundle.

 

[Heyden]

It came up because I'm pretty sure no one would even believe the claim of a "Town roleblocker". I've never heard of that role before except as a mafia role. So why would Town want to do that ?

I posted my thoughts one second I'll go back and quote

Literally went through all your games on TBT mafia wiki cos I thought you were lying lmao oops but I guess not!!11

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That's where I posted my thoughts on trundle.

Would you be wiling to lynch him? Besides Kermit who do you think the other 3 scum are?

 

[Ryumia]

Ryumia who do you plan on voting.

Um... I haven't decided that yet. :T I'm still looking into why Jacob died.

 

[Heyden]

We've had it multiple times since you stopped playing here Kayla.

And I mostly just think it's glow making another gambit because of how certain I feel about her Heyden. Then again, I'll just wait to see what she actually claims to be. *shrug*

No offence but have you actually played a game where she's scum, or read one.

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Um... I haven't decided that yet. :T I'm still looking into why Jacob died.

Ya that's not important anymore. Would you rather lynch Trundle or Kermit today? I don't mean to be rude cos I know this game is a mess but you gotta start taking a side soon Ryumia

 

[iLoveYou]

Literally went through all your games on TBT mafia wiki cos I thought you were lying lmao oops but I guess not!!11

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Would you be wiling to lynch him? Besides Kermit who do you think the other 3 scum are?

Based on the way he's playing, of course ( read my post on him ).

Personally I think the other three mafias are: KermitsTea, Amanda who replaced Gigalabesh, Vampnessa or even Trundle.

BUT I found Ness was way too quick to shrug off Karen's soft blue claim and put her as a Town lean way too quickly. Because she is my scum lean, I would kinda see Glow's idea of him faking a hit as potentially being real and trying to use Karen's soft blue claim to make it real for us too.

 

[glow]

hello my little doves

starting by cleaning up this list a bit!

1. Locket Vampnessa
2. Trundle
3. Kammm
4. N e s s
5. Ghostkid
6. Heyden
7. amazonevan19
8. Ryumia
9. Antonio
10. iLoveYou
11. mogyay KermitTea
12. PandaDarling
13. Gigalabesh amanda1983
14. Dad
15. FireNinja1
16. glow

i think if there's one scum b/t trundle/karen it's 100% karen. i've actually townread trundle throughout this game and i don't think i've ever said it because of crippling paranoia reasons. what i KNOW though, there's no world where trundlexkaren are scum together because of trundlexmog interaction.

Mog, do you think Punchy is a good enough town player to change playstyles intentionally? If so then I could see why you are reading Punchy as town, but I don't think Punchy has any reason to do that. Usually people only change their playstyle as town when they want to hide better as mafia.

do you have to be a good player to change your style intentionally? i didn't really think of it that way. i'm not reading punchy as town ftr, i'm just not reading him as mafia either? i'm not sure trundle, if you're an actual hindrance to town (which i believe punchy may have been??) then i can see why you might want to. i can see where you're coming from tho

Okay you actually make a pretty valid point there, it'd be nice to hear Punchy's side of this at this point.

i don't see mafia interacting in this way on d1. mafia typically avoid asking each other direct questions early on and like, it's hard for mafia to directly address and then deliver a genuine thought process. if they interact they often will find it hard to end in agreement in a genuine way.

I mean if ya?ll want to policy lynch me go for it, I don?t really care my dude. Ya?ll expect rainbow reads and scum pinged on D1, that?s unreasonable as hell tbh.

Yeah I'd rather not in case I'm wrong. I'm sure we'll have lots more time with you.

i really think this reaction is important, and it's important to note that tom wasn't speaking directly to trundle here. so if you're scum!trundle, and you bussed arguably the strongest mafia role on the team a few hours into d1, do you really feel the need to interact with him more here? if you're gonna bus, why change position and say something that would reflect badly on you, should your partner actually be lynched?

i think trundle is expressing genuine uncertainty

a couple of other things
- trundle's tone is honestly just good
- below post

I don't wanna scum lean people that could still be town due to their inactivity but neutral would mean I think there are a few scum in there, I just don't have the information available to determine who actually would be scum.

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Ghostkid is either noob town or scum. If you read back to Weeaboo mafia and other games around that where people like Beary509, Blu Rose, and Jawile played, you'll see that I lynched a lot of noob town by mistake and honestly I have a hard time telling the difference. I never push players like Ghostkid for lynch anymore because my reads on them are never reliable but if other people push I am happy to join.

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I'll get back to this later

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Ness I believe, if he was scum, would fearkill toadsworthy based on the argument they had earlier in the game. I honestly have no idea how toadsworthy got bluesniped. I thought he was a super obvious town but didn't see any reason he should be killed.
I don't think Dolby is mafia so who else would kill him and why? Also for whatever reason Ness has a super mixed focus this game. For the first bit of the game he was incredibly focused on his argument with toadsworthy, over-exaggerated a blow-up response and then after that just dropped it. Next time we really properly hear from Ness, toadsworthy is dead. Ever since he had just been re-iterating points on Dolby and Tom that everyone else has made. He, in my opinion, is coasting and doing a better job at it.

one of trundle's strongest alignment telling posts imo. especially the last post like damn, i don't think many people are really capable of mimicking that sort of town "stream of consciousness" flow of reads, and if he is mafia then WP i'm impressed

 

[Geoni]

No offence but have you actually played a game where she's scum, or read one.

Fair point, and I had to look back to see if I did and I don't think so unless she's gone by another name? But I know her townplay in the least and her meta doesn't excuse everything I have brought up that has to do with this game, and you seem to be very easily dismissive of them Heyden.

 

[iLoveYou]

Heyden you never answered my question though:

Why do you think Dad vs. glow is town vs. town ? You keep posting that but not explaining that ?

 

[glow]

ah i wasn't anywhere near done with that post but okay!!

 

[Geoni]

I just got ninja'd by a glow post that I uh...agree with?

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That's how I feel about Trundle anyways.

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BUT I found Ness was way too quick to shrug off Karen's soft blue claim and put her as a Town lean way too quickly. Because she is my scum lean, I would kinda see Glow's idea of him faking a hit as potentially being real and trying to use Karen's soft blue claim to make it real for us too.

...smh

 

[Heyden]

But I know her townplay in the least and her meta doesn't excuse everything I have brought up that has to do with this game, and you seem to be very easily dismissive of them Heyden.

Heyden you never answered my question though:

Why do you think Dad vs. glow is town vs. town ? You keep posting that but not explaining that ?

I really don't wanna explain it nor am I bothered to prove points and whatnot, but if either of them are being seriously considered for a lynch I'll no doubt defend either of them. They obv don't trust each other and they always have that dynamic and it's sort of been an ongoing constant they have between each other. I know saying gut is a bad thing, but it is, so.

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ffs glow not you as well

 

[iLoveYou]

...smh

I'm not believing it entirely but come on, the way he gave her a sort of "pass" was way too odd. Even I don't believe what she's saying.