Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!
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Well... I still think it is though. :X But... Okay then. If I had to be honest about it... I'm not sure since I haven't really explored that yet. So... When that time comes then I'll vote with my gut. I am pretty sure I still got time to decide on that.
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There's only about 18 hours to vote. Do you have any reads at all? like, it's kind of the purpose of the game you can't just selfvote and no lynch forever, we're 8 phases in, you surely have ANY type of read don't you? If we mislynch twice we lost, so if you're town participation is kinda vital rn.
I'm talking about Ness being scum and withholding KP to claim he was bodyguarded. I have to wonder if any of these "blues" will claim the role but it sounds like they aren't, at least not glow. But I don't see that theory at all and again it feels like a stretch. If you're going to correlate the points between Karen and Ness you'd have to say her bodyguard claim is false as well and rationalize that and so far I see that as difficult to rationalize.
I know that the vote for this day is important. But... This added pressure on me isn't really helping.
I honestly don't think it's some meta-level grudge, at least not from my side of things. And I don't think glow's either. I just think in the last few games I have indeed sussed her at some point, but I either dropped those suspicions or they were a lot later into the game. This one has remained pretty consistent throughout and I've not been convinced to drop them. Again, I feel like you're writing a narrative of me having the tendency to not know how to read glow in order to protect your partner if you happen to also be on the mafia team here.
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Also 300 friggin pages. This game is almost as exhausting as a mafiascum game lmao.
Ya I’m sorry but if you could try and make reads that would be awesome
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U stopped sussing her in those games cos eventually one of die isn’t it. Like this is honestly the furthest the both of you have survived and it’s kinda why they’ve left both of you alive so far cos of the constant vs
That's okay. You just really want to help Town. So... I understand.
Meh, I rest my case. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. But if I'm right about glow I have a reason to hold this defending of her against you Heyden.
Also are people seriously still townreading Evan just because of the role PM thing? I've pointed out why that's not that difficult to say given there were already three VT roles out in the open before he said it, and I still think that despite him calling Vanessa out for it, both he and Vanessa have been very opportunistic this game.
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Amanda stop liking people's content-based posts and actually state why you agree with their reads/critiques/etc in your posts please.
Also are people seriously still townreading Evan just because of the role PM thing? I've pointed out why that's not that difficult to say given there were already three VT roles out in the open before he said it, and I still think that despite him calling Vanessa out for it, both he and Vanessa have been very opportunistic this game.
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Amanda stop liking people's content-based posts and actually state why you agree with their reads/critiques/etc in your posts please.
Honestly that’s sort of the reason why I’m townreading Evan. I actually really heavily disagree with his reads but I do agree I think I let him slip through. Not really important to me rn. Kermit/Trundle/Kammm/Vanessa is where I’m at.
He seems to be okay hopping from person to person in this lynch and I think that's a bad sign especially because we only have two mislynches left before we lose. He made an ISO about me and there were points in there that weren't accurate and I had to correct him. I felt like he was trying to promote this whole " Kayla bussed her teammate Day Two " because it could have been a potential bandwagon. I'm not a fan of the way he's jumping on what other people are saying and I agree it is opportunistic. I'm personally not giving him the pass of a town lean, just null.
Wait so do you think Kermit is blue or are you leaning scum on her ? You asked her to claim to get this stuff over with.
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You highlighted her name in blue too ?
I’m in between rn. Kermit needs to claim bc she’s not confirmable if there’s a ‘33.3% chance’. I townread Mog but Kermit is a wildcard at this point. So yeah I can’t really give you a definitive answer but she HAS to claim today or she’s burdening town.
amanda1983
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My partner let me sleep all day and I am sleep-drunk af rn. In no condition try and re-write those in-depth (with quotes etc) reads I still owe on Vanessa, Trundle, Kammm, glow just yet.
In the meantime :
Vanessa - Ness pointed out it's hard to see Vanessa being so vocal as scum!Vanessa (post # 2893) - this strikes me as just more WIFOM. I would expect scum!Vanessa to try hard to mimic her Town!Vanessa play and be rather good at it frankly, given how perceptive she is. I know her irl stuff is putting heavy restrictions on how much time she can spend here, hence why she was a replacement (as she's already pointed out), but I think scum!Vanessa would know that being vocal would be more beneficial to her than trying to coast. Of course, Town!Vanessa would also be motivated to be vocal simply because that's how she is.. and this is why WIFOM ****ing sucks.
Trundle remains my top SR and will most likely get my vote barring new developments. His response to people sussing him was underwhelming and not really alignment-indicative - I get the lack of motivation to play this mess of a game + being busy af irl I really do, but that is such a ****ing easy way out and I just cannot see Town motivation behind his play this entire game, for reasons covered in depth elsewhere by Ness, Heyden, and glow in particular.
Kammm is still Town and Evan is even scummier after his ISO of Kammm which managed to almost completely disregard NewTown perspective, motivation, and knowledge at every turn.. sure, her content would be suspicious from a player that knows how to play Mafia but she doesn't *coz this is literally her first ****ing game * and it's odd af how he kept overlooking the bleeding obvious NewTown!Kammm perspective. That whole ISO is just sus af imo.
glow - I'm reading glow more and more as Town. The way she made her Blue claim, and rationale behind it make a great deal more sense to me for her play this whole game to be Town!glow than it does for a scum!glow. I'm aware it could be a gambit but it's a completely SubOptimal one if so and, ya, WIFOM of course but ... her claim + content in the past chronological day or so reflect a much more Town perspective + motivation (including making retrospective sense of previously sus content) than I can reconcile with a scum!glow choosing to play.
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Will do from now on, sorry.
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EBWOP : I have done so at points in this game, not something I'm avoiding or anything. It's mostly just when I'm coming back to a bunch of content and am trying to catch up quickly that I do it as I've found that trying to draft responses to blocks of content like that just ends up with much of what I write being discarded as superfluous or irrelevant by the time I'm ready to post.
Eh, anyway, your point is noted and I'll try to act accordingly in the future.
In the meantime :
Vanessa - Ness pointed out it's hard to see Vanessa being so vocal as scum!Vanessa (post # 2893) - this strikes me as just more WIFOM. I would expect scum!Vanessa to try hard to mimic her Town!Vanessa play and be rather good at it frankly, given how perceptive she is. I know her irl stuff is putting heavy restrictions on how much time she can spend here, hence why she was a replacement (as she's already pointed out), but I think scum!Vanessa would know that being vocal would be more beneficial to her than trying to coast. Of course, Town!Vanessa would also be motivated to be vocal simply because that's how she is.. and this is why WIFOM ****ing sucks.
Trundle remains my top SR and will most likely get my vote barring new developments. His response to people sussing him was underwhelming and not really alignment-indicative - I get the lack of motivation to play this mess of a game + being busy af irl I really do, but that is such a ****ing easy way out and I just cannot see Town motivation behind his play this entire game, for reasons covered in depth elsewhere by Ness, Heyden, and glow in particular.
Kammm is still Town and Evan is even scummier after his ISO of Kammm which managed to almost completely disregard NewTown perspective, motivation, and knowledge at every turn.. sure, her content would be suspicious from a player that knows how to play Mafia but she doesn't *coz this is literally her first ****ing game * and it's odd af how he kept overlooking the bleeding obvious NewTown!Kammm perspective. That whole ISO is just sus af imo.
glow - I'm reading glow more and more as Town. The way she made her Blue claim, and rationale behind it make a great deal more sense to me for her play this whole game to be Town!glow than it does for a scum!glow. I'm aware it could be a gambit but it's a completely SubOptimal one if so and, ya, WIFOM of course but ... her claim + content in the past chronological day or so reflect a much more Town perspective + motivation (including making retrospective sense of previously sus content) than I can reconcile with a scum!glow choosing to play.
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Will do from now on, sorry.
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EBWOP : I have done so at points in this game, not something I'm avoiding or anything. It's mostly just when I'm coming back to a bunch of content and am trying to catch up quickly that I do it as I've found that trying to draft responses to blocks of content like that just ends up with much of what I write being discarded as superfluous or irrelevant by the time I'm ready to post.
Eh, anyway, your point is noted and I'll try to act accordingly in the future.
I suppose I can understand that Amanda, I ran into the same thing when I was doing the google doc angle at the beginning of the game.
Also, Karen, at this point, you need to out. People are going to mislynch you if you are who you say you are and being quiet is going to hurt town more than help it in a game where two mislynches = loss.
Also, Karen, at this point, you need to out. People are going to mislynch you if you are who you say you are and being quiet is going to hurt town more than help it in a game where two mislynches = loss.
amanda1983
Senior Member
I don't know how to take KermitTea/Karen's play. On the one hand, why would scum!Karen provide so much info at all coz she had kinda dropped off the radar for a lot of people (or been put into the "too hard" basket which equates to the same thing really). Seems to me like the best strategy for her as scum would have been to keep laying low and contributing small bit of inscrutable stuff as she'd been doing previously. On the other hand, WIFOM is the flavour of the game..
Realistically though, it doesn't make a lot (any) sense to me that she'd bother focussing so much extra attention on herself at this point in this game with these stakes as scum!Karen. I can see some reasoning behind her recent content as Blue!Karen given that the only risk to her at this point is being lynched (since Mafia will surely withhold NKs for reasons stated repeatedly... even WIFOMing that would result in more risk to Mafia than benefit of eliminating Blue could possibly give them at this stage).
The biggest sticking point for me is probably the concern that her content is motivated by scum!Karen just trying to confuse us. I don't know how rational that is but it's not like Mafia have to worry about keeping their whole team alive for KP anymore and that would normally be a primary consideration at this point for them.
Her play today seems more plausible to me to be Blue!Karen than scum!Karen but I'm not comfortable reading her as such as things stand.
Ya, that's "wishy-washy" af and I'm aware of the irony of wanting more content from her so I could get a better read and then... ending up leaving her as a Wildcard null *because* I got more content from her but cannot read her any better because - not despite - it.
But no way am I moving off wanting Trundle lynched in favour of Karen almost regardless of her alignment at this point. Her content, unless she scum-slips in spectacular fashion and outs other scum, is not going to give us much of anything to work with for tomorrow's lynch as she's contributed so little throughout the game we're not gonna be able to find the other scum from her.
(For what it's worth, as much as I ****ing hate having to strategise lynching the way this game requires tbh it's also kinda ~freeing~ to have the certainty of knowing we will lose if we get to a 2nd ML. Having that condition is genuinely helpful to NewTown imo as it's hard data to work with and focus upon, rather than the usual 'I think we're at MYLO' 'no because x and y, unless z' content that may make complete sense to experienced players but is usually confusing af for NewTown and makes them much less able to contribute helpfully than this situation will allow them to.)
Realistically though, it doesn't make a lot (any) sense to me that she'd bother focussing so much extra attention on herself at this point in this game with these stakes as scum!Karen. I can see some reasoning behind her recent content as Blue!Karen given that the only risk to her at this point is being lynched (since Mafia will surely withhold NKs for reasons stated repeatedly... even WIFOMing that would result in more risk to Mafia than benefit of eliminating Blue could possibly give them at this stage).
The biggest sticking point for me is probably the concern that her content is motivated by scum!Karen just trying to confuse us. I don't know how rational that is but it's not like Mafia have to worry about keeping their whole team alive for KP anymore and that would normally be a primary consideration at this point for them.
Her play today seems more plausible to me to be Blue!Karen than scum!Karen but I'm not comfortable reading her as such as things stand.
Ya, that's "wishy-washy" af and I'm aware of the irony of wanting more content from her so I could get a better read and then... ending up leaving her as a Wildcard null *because* I got more content from her but cannot read her any better because - not despite - it.
But no way am I moving off wanting Trundle lynched in favour of Karen almost regardless of her alignment at this point. Her content, unless she scum-slips in spectacular fashion and outs other scum, is not going to give us much of anything to work with for tomorrow's lynch as she's contributed so little throughout the game we're not gonna be able to find the other scum from her.
(For what it's worth, as much as I ****ing hate having to strategise lynching the way this game requires tbh it's also kinda ~freeing~ to have the certainty of knowing we will lose if we get to a 2nd ML. Having that condition is genuinely helpful to NewTown imo as it's hard data to work with and focus upon, rather than the usual 'I think we're at MYLO' 'no because x and y, unless z' content that may make complete sense to experienced players but is usually confusing af for NewTown and makes them much less able to contribute helpfully than this situation will allow them to.)
amanda1983
Senior Member
Ya I'm putting my vote down on Trundle now, it's getting to close to EoD to keep waiting.
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Heyden mentioned having checked iLoveYou/Kayla's wiki to verify if she'd really not seen Town RB used before and I that made me realise I've just been relying on info from players around from back when she was, or people like Heyden checking up on things.
I'm going to spend some time reading through her wiki and past games. http://tbtmafia.wikia.com/wiki/ILoveYou is the link for anyone interested.
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Heyden mentioned having checked iLoveYou/Kayla's wiki to verify if she'd really not seen Town RB used before and I that made me realise I've just been relying on info from players around from back when she was, or people like Heyden checking up on things.
I'm going to spend some time reading through her wiki and past games. http://tbtmafia.wikia.com/wiki/ILoveYou is the link for anyone interested.
