Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[amanda1983]

Actually it is better for Vanessa not to reveal who she was on so that the mafia can't strategize kills.

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Tina, would lynching a third party role count as a mislynch ? The question was asked before about modkills I think ?

If you click the 2nd post I shared of Tina answering questions, it was in regards to if lynching a 3rd party counted as a ML for Town Win / Con purposes.

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Oops ninja's by Tina herself lol.

 

[iLoveYou]

Why just the Trundle wagon? It's lylo, we consider everything.

At this point we need to lynch mafia or lose. I personally believe our biggest chances of lynching mafia would be on the Trundle wagon because at that point in the game mafia's goal in the game changed. So they would jump on a chance to mislynch.

 

[Geoni]

Wow way to seal Panda's tomb, Tina.

Panda gets rid of a potential backstabber that doesn't count for town numbers down the line or mafia panic claiming survivor. And the latter situation at least eliminates Heyden from the suspool.

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Did anyone vote for all three of these: Dedenne, Punchy, Trundle?

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Negative nobody did. Also I think mafia can also be in the self voters during the Punchy situation anyways, it looked better at the end of the day.

Also I'm reminded that Kermit voted Kayla before last night, not sure what to make of that.

 

[amanda1983]

So Panda is the safest lynch today.

I agree Panda is the "safest" lynch today in that she's the only one we can safely lynch whether or not she's Mafia. As much as I want to be cautious though, I also want scum, we need their #s down. If I followed that whole thing with (mainly) Ness and Heyden correctly then there's not actually an "either or" situation where either Panda is Mafia or else Heyden is.

I agree with Evan that the reaction test / fishing expedition didn't really net anything. The flavour text isn't damning from my PoV although I admit to being initially stuck on the word "friendly" appearing in that context ; which I quickly realised was unreasonable. I see how things happened from Heyden's PoV and why he can generally think that he got results from it all, but I don't agree that it's particularly relevant that Panda claimed Survivor (instead of VT) in that context.

 

[Geoni]

I recall some dumb reasoning too.

 

[iLoveYou]

Did anyone vote for all three of these: Dedenne, Punchy, Trundle?

No one voted consistently for those three lynch candidates.

 

[glow]

you’re all lynching panda for the wrong reasons. you’re scared and i get it but like

mafia doesn’t claim third party there. mafia would have claimed vig who shot karen

panda also called attention to tom quite early on

lynching thirds because we’re too scared to lynch outside isn’t how i play. my vote will be placed & remain on dad

 

[amanda1983]

I'm still trying to think it through in my head. With 5 votes on her, it's looking like Panda is going to be the lynch at this point.

I know that's not *bad* for us, now that Tina has confirmed only players who are specifically "Town" will count as a ML. But.. I'm not convinced that it's especially *good* for us, either. It won't do anything to clear Heyden because he already admitted he was fake-claiming in order to try and trap Panda. So I think regardless of how Panda flips, Heyden won't be cleared as a result just due to WIFOM if nothing else (would scum!Heyden throw scum!Panda under the bus? is a thought I've had a couple times since that whole thing happened).

Hmm.

I need to think on this some more in case I'm forgetting something important (to me).

 

[iLoveYou]

Negative nobody did. Also I think mafia can also be in the self voters during the Punchy situation anyways, it looked better at the end of the day.

Also I'm reminded that Kermit voted Kayla before last night, not sure what to make of that.

Honestly that moment reminded me of how Tom voted for Mogyay. At this point I'm probably one of their best bets at a mislynch so I'm sure by voting on me they planned to make it seem like she was trying to clear me to make it appear like I was mafia in front of Town. On a day like Lylo the mafia is probably hoping that Kermits' vote on me will throw off Town and make them want to lynch me.

 

[amanda1983]

you’re all lynching panda for the wrong reasons. you’re scared and i get it but like

mafia doesn’t claim third party there. mafia would have claimed vig who shot karen

panda also called attention to tom quite early on

lynching thirds because we’re too scared to lynch outside isn’t how i play. my vote will be placed & remain on dad

glow - how sure are you that Dad is Mafia at this point?

 

[Ghostkid]

i just caught up reading and wth are u all talking about vanessa not tell anyone who she is? She already roleclaimed u cant take a roleclaim back

 

[amanda1983]

i just caught up reading and wth are u all talking about vanessa not tell anyone who she is? She already roleclaimed u cant take a roleclaim back

I think they mean, she isn't saying who she PROTECTED as Doctor last Night phase. It's fine, just a strategy thing that will make sense to you more as play.

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Also, role-claims can be taken back - as Heyden claimed Blue earlier today whilst trying to trap Panda. Or counter-claimed (cc') - where Mafia may claim to be Doctor to try and clear themselves AND potentially fish out the real Doctor if they try and counter-claim. Or Mafia might cc a real Doctor claim, etc etc.

Basically : role-claims are information. We need to evaluate how plausible / believable that info given actually is in the context it's given, as well as within the game itself.

 

[iLoveYou]

At this point Glow, I agree with you that Dad is most likely mafia but I think taking our last chance on him rather than someone on the Trundle wagon is too risky. To me I stand like this:

Amanda = Panda > Dad = Ryumia

 

[glow]

glow - how sure are you that Dad is Mafia at this point?

dad is the one of the few that?s 100% compatible with all three of these players: mog, karen, and tom

i started a post last night but went to bed, i?ll finish it if i have free time @ work

 

[amanda1983]

dad is the one of the few that’s 100% compatible with all three of these players: mog, karen, and tom

i started a post last night but went to bed, i’ll finish it if i have free time @ work

Okay, thanks.

 

[Geoni]

How the **** was I compatible with Tom? Can't wait for you to bring up me forgetting to vote and him trying to buddy me because that's literally all you can connect there. I hope you're flexible because you're about to do some stretching. Karen is fair but that's been addressed, and the only thing I can think of with Mog is me defending her thinking there's a potential for the jokevoting to be reverse-psych one day and I still think one day it will be.

To be honest I kinda deserve being tunneled and getting a taste of my own medicine here but like hell I'm going to get lead-lynched by you rn.

 

[amazonevan19]

tbh triggered dad is best dad

Yeah after Tina confirmed that only townies count for mislynches, I think Panda should be the vote today. She can't be town, she's either TP or scum, and it'll be another role we can PoE out right now. Either she's TP (big whoop, she'll only help scum in the end to survive anyway) or she's really scum. Glow is right though; scum probably wouldn't be claiming TP/surv at this point in the game. They might have early on but panda is smart enough to not do that...maybe.

Either way, we lynch Panda and go on from there

 

[PandaDarling]

I mean I don’t really wanna lose but I’ve pretty much been considering myself VT this whole time and I’m getting busy irl again so if my death doesn’t hurt town, I don’t mind, I’ll vote myself.

 

[Ghostkid]

I mean I don’t really wanna lose but I’ve pretty much been considering myself VT this whole time and I’m getting busy irl again so if my death doesn’t hurt town, I don’t mind, I’ll vote myself.

Your death will hurt town if you get lynched and ur a town...

 

[amanda1983]

Your death will hurt town if you get lynched and ur a town...

But... She's not Town?

I was concerned about how 3rd party would be counted for the purposes of a mis-lynch this game, but Survivor is definitely not considered Town under normal circumstances. Since Tina clarified that a ML can only occur if the player is Town (so, not just able to win with Town, they must specifically *be* Town themselves), that worry is null now.

Panda herself has claimed Survivor and I don't see any world where a Town!Panda would pretend to be 3rd party when we're at LYLO and will lose if we ML again.. it would be game-throwing if she were to do it, actually, as she would be acting against her Win / Con in that scenario. Which she wouldn't do.

So. She is either legitimately 3rd party, or else Mafia. Either way, she's not Town.

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It's almost 2:30am and I'm wrecked, I'll be back tomorrow.

- If anyone else feels inclined to claim Blue/whatever before I get back,
: could you please be so kind as to provide all relevant info when claiming within the one post? It would make it a heck of a lot easier to if you could do that, thanks.

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EBWOP : ... It would make it a heck of a lot easier to FOLLOW if you could do that, thanks.