nintendoanna
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really confused about the whole egalitarian thing bc it's the same thing as feminism
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do you consider yourself a feminist?
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egalitarianism is simply a philosophy people live by. it isn't necessarily an active movement. feminism, however, is an active movement. egalitarianism also encompasses feminism. it is a separate name, so people don't receive backlash if they were a feminist. it's also important to note, even if everyone is treated the same, they might have different needs. it's like having a feast, and everyone gets meat, but one person is vegetarian so they can't eat. that's an important difference in feminism and egalitarianism as well.
Mega_Cabbage
Meh
I don't think I am. I haven't felt oppressed as a female. I'd also rather not be drafted into the army against my will if women were made "equal" to men.
Legendary Sandwich
The Holiest of Hoagies.
Allow me, as an Egalitarian, to explain.
Vel is correct in saying Egalitarianism is a philosophy more than a social movement, however there have been cases of Egalitarianism gaining political traction. The earliest being in I believe medieval China, and it was an Economic Egalitarian movement.
We do NOT encompass Feminism. If anything, Feminism encompasses many principles of Egalitarianism, many of our goals are the same after all.
Now here's where people get confused about us. We believe in treating everyone equal, as a fellow human being that deserves respect. We all bleed red after all, why should we judge someone based on what they are rather than WHO they are?
But the way we go about this is called "Equality of Opportunity", which means we want everyone to have the same opportunity others have to succeed, this includes those with needs a person may have on an individual level.
What most people misunderstand when we say "we just want everyone to be equal", is that they think we're talking about "Equality of Outcome", which means everyone should have the same outcome despite individual needs - this is NOT Egalitarian philosophy.
I hope that helps.
Edit: I'm going to borrow Vel's quote once more since I missed it, and no this isn't a personal attack, this is just a perfect example of what I just talked about. I'm saying this in advance, not necessarily to anyone in particular.
it's like having a feast, and everyone gets meat, but one person is vegetarian so they can't eat.
This right here is "Equality of Outcome", everyone gets meat, including the vegetarian. This is what most people misunderstand about our philosophy.
In a more Egalitarian Version, the vegetarian gets invited to the feast despite there being a majority of meat eaters. This is that good ol' "Equality of Opportunity" we strive for. But instead of being forced a hunk of meat, the chefs prepared a serving of vegetables just in case a vegetarian showed up.
That's the world we strive for.
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SaltedKaramel
Bread is good
You certain live you to your name dear Legendary Sandwich! As a female, I don't consider myself a feminist. But at the same time Im all for equal rights. I'm an egalitarian! Let's be honest here guys, feminists in general have the worst reputations thanks to extremists, manhaters etc...And whether you like it or not, but the public cares about reputations and image. If you have a bad image, people don't want to be apart of that.
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nintendoanna
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yeah it was helpful! but im not sure what exactly you mean when you say individual needs
SaltedKaramel
Bread is good
Oh and the unequal wages thing, is dumb. They need to stop using that in all their agruements.
Legendary Sandwich
The Holiest of Hoagies.
No. I think everyone should have the whole "women deserve rights too!" mindset, but feminism as a culture would be laughable if they weren't being serious, so I don't associate myself with it. I'm for equal rights, and that's about it. Don't need to label it. It's called common sense.
Hopeless Opus
diluc is my king
no but seriously. i guess i'm a feminist because i want women to have equal rights but i am not like the mental child depicted above in the video.
Greggy
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Modern feminism is bullcrap.
I'm in favor for men and women to be equals and break gender norms, but the likes of Tumblr and Buzzfeed's brand of feminism makes me want to punch a wall. Modern Feminism be like, "break gender norms!" and when a man starts to wear a skirt, they already assume he is genderfluid or trans. It's bullcrap. I'm also "transphobic" because I see trans men and women AS trans men and women, not real men and women. I'm also not interested in girl power and such because I believe girls can already do the same things as men can do if they try. So no, I'm not a feminist.
I'm in favor for men and women to be equals and break gender norms, but the likes of Tumblr and Buzzfeed's brand of feminism makes me want to punch a wall. Modern Feminism be like, "break gender norms!" and when a man starts to wear a skirt, they already assume he is genderfluid or trans. It's bullcrap. I'm also "transphobic" because I see trans men and women AS trans men and women, not real men and women. I'm also not interested in girl power and such because I believe girls can already do the same things as men can do if they try. So no, I'm not a feminist.
mintellect
attention gamers,
I suppose so. I certainly want women to have equal rights, but today's definition of feminism is so twisted and many "feminists" have the "die male cishet scum" mentality and it's just. So stupid. Men have many problems as well. They're often overlooked when it comes to things such as being victims of eating disorders and rape.
In the end, we really should be fighting for the equal rights of both genders.
In the end, we really should be fighting for the equal rights of both genders.
That Zephyr Guy
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Ye sure.
It has a bad rep - but I think if you let something like that stop you from being a decent human being, then that says quite a bit about yourself. Most people misunderstand the term anyway, so it's not like it matters.
It just very much bugs me when people would rather make generalizations of what feminism is based off a few videos they've seen on the internet to avoid considering another person's opinion, but whatever, by this point I'm used to it.
It has a bad rep - but I think if you let something like that stop you from being a decent human being, then that says quite a bit about yourself. Most people misunderstand the term anyway, so it's not like it matters.
It just very much bugs me when people would rather make generalizations of what feminism is based off a few videos they've seen on the internet to avoid considering another person's opinion, but whatever, by this point I'm used to it.
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i do because i'm not intimidated by alt-right shills or anti-progressive crying
also no academic takes anti-feminists seriously because they're constant footnotes in history. it's not unusual for privileged people to have an aneurysm every time they realize they're losing control after a social shift
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I consider myself a feminist. I still make those jokes like, "did u just assume my gender?" but when it comes down to it, it's seriously annoying to hear people say guys are better than girls or vice versa. Sure, there are some things that genetically distinguish guys and girls (body structure, vocal chords, etc.) but nothing that should make one of the genders discriminated toward. We deserve to be treated equally, because at the end of the day, there's not much different about the two genders.
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