LGBTQA - Discussion and support.

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No it was there child. They should have burryed him in a suit. He was 17. And his parents called him what ever his real name is. So they should have done that. AND I DINT UNDERSTAND HOW UR A BOY AND WANNA BE A GIRL??!

If you don't understand, then don't post in a thread for LGBT support
You're being very disrespectful and are upsetting people.

 

[Mercedes]

Yes, you're giving your opinion, but this is supposed to be a support thread, so if your opinion isn't particularly supporting of the Current topic of discussion, it obviously isn't going to go down very well.

You do have a point.

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If you don't understand, then don't post in a thread for LGBT support
You're being very disrespectful and are upsetting people.

How am I being disrespectful? I do understand. It's my opinion and I can express it. But I'm leaving before I get banned so yeah.

 

[lazuli]

No it was there child. They should have burryed him in a suit. He was 17. And his parents called him what ever his real name is. So they should have done that. AND I DINT UNDERSTAND HOW UR A BOY AND WANNA BE A GIRL??!

they shold have buried her in a dress or whatever she would have liked. you dont understand ANYTHING ever.

Sorry? No I don't.

no you do

How am I being disrespectful? I do understand. It's my opinion and I can express it. But I'm leaving before I get banned so yeah.

lets see
there are trans* people on this site and youre saying that its basically leelah's fault and lots of people are uncomfortable with that. bad opinion. i think itd be best if you just left this thread forever.


aanchie- i get worked up about things really easily so sorry

 

[Punchy-kun]

Yes, you're giving your opinion, but this is supposed to be a support thread, so if your opinion isn't particularly supporting of the Current topic of discussion, it obviously isn't going to go down very well.

The thread title does say "Discussion and support". And making a new thread to voice my opinion does seem a bit too far fetched. Also, I didn't insult anyone, but Annachie rightaway has made several in a few of her posts, which go against the statement made in the first post of this thread. So it's rather her breaking a "rule" than I am, I believe.

 

[rosetti]

There are other genders than just male and female, saying how 'you can only be either male or female' may be seen as disrespectful. Please be aware that there's agender, genderfluid and many more.

 

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The thread title does say "Discussion and support". And making a new thread to voice my opinion does seem a bit too far fetched. Also, I didn't insult anyone, but Annachie rightaway has made several in a few of her posts, which go against the statement in made in the first post of this thread. So it's rather her breaking a "rule" than I am, I believe.

You and lucky-pinch weren't 'discussing' you were downright being rude and offensive. Maybe you don't understand that, but you were. Ok and let's see how many people think I was being ruder than you, hmm??

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aanchie- i get worked up about things really easily so sorry

awwh no need to apologise, i just don't think they're really worth it... nothing is going to make them understand.

 

[Punchy-kun]

You and lucky-pinch weren't 'discussing' you were downright being rude and offensive. Maybe you don't understand that, but you were. Ok and let's see how many people think I was being ruder than you, hmm??

Why don't you make a list of all the INSULTS you made after I posted my reply. I believe I made none. Yes, I may have thad different opinions that may lead to feeling offended but that's not being rude. Your insults were calling my opinion "nonsense". You called me "quite young" aka immature for the sole reason of having a different opinion and you said I post a lot of "bull****", which is just opinions you disagree with.

If I made an insult please quote me on it.

 

[Mercedes]

You and lucky-pinch weren't 'discussing' you were downright being rude and offensive. Maybe you don't understand that, but you were. Ok and let's see how many people think I was being ruder than you, hmm??

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awwh no need to apologise, i just don't think they're really worth it... nothing is going to make them understand.

Your just viewing things one sided. And I'm not. I just don't think I should say how I feel??? I mean really your being Ruder.

 

[Brackets]

Why don't you make a list of all the INSULTS you made after I posted my reply. I believe I made none. Yes, I may have thad different opinions that may lead to feeling offended but that's not being rude. Your insults were calling my opinion "nonsense". You called me "quite young" aka immature for the sole reason of having a different opinion and you said I post a lot of "bull****", which is just opinions you disagree with.

If I made an insult please quote me on it.

I have not been rude, you were the one disrespecting trans people and a girls who's just died, ON A LGBT THREAD. Yes everyone has opinions, but there is a time and a place for certain opinions.

 

[Flop]

And (let's say it together) this is why this thread gets closed on a regular basis.

 

[Princess Weeb]

And (let's say it together) this is why this thread gets closed on a regular basis.

If I could swear on here jfc this thing would be constantly closed
Not sure why I was quoted by the person first either, seen as my post had nothing to do with their reply at all.

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Just because one person wants to be something he isn't, doesn't mean he can be it. Even when people do a physical gender change they still really are the gender they are born as. Nothing can change that. (Of course there are exceptions such as intersexuals which are physically different.)

About conversion therapy. Forcing someone to change never will help. A person only can change when he wants to. But I've got no problem with parents trying to explain their child(ren) something they're convinced is wrong. That's your right as a parent. That's education, something parents are giving way too little nowadays, and the results are obvious everywhere. Of course the end decisions go to the person itself, and someone who doesn't want to listen, you just eventually have to leave alone and just let do what they want.

This boy, Josh, who wanted to be a girl and wanted to be called Leelah, remains what he physically is born as. The only reason people are calling him a girl is because he wanted to be one. And I don't think that's any reason to misuse the word.

I think they should put his real name on the grave, and he should be buried as a male, because those things are what he is. We're talking about real gender here, not sexual orientation or preference.

You cannot change who you physically are. The only thing that really can be changed is sexual orientation.

Now of course I find it saddening that a person commits suicide. But it's clear to me that he couldn't handle the fact that he was who he was. He hated his parents because of this, but obviously hated himself as well.

Please learn the difference between sex and gender, also.

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I suppose this is the first and only time I've ever said this to anyone, actually, but I did struggle (very minimally) with my gender identity when I was younger.
I've always been bigger in every way I suppose to other girls around me. I was always taller, I hit puberty first, I'm louder, a little bit heavier and all that jazz too. Having very very dark hair naturally (probably something to do with the mishmash of races that I am/I have very pale skin against that very dark hair) I always had pretty thick hair and eyebrows on my face/arms/legs etc, and my voice was pretty low for someone my age. It was around the time that I started to wear makeup, but it was a rare thing really, too.

It wasn't the main insult, but people always used to doubt my femininity. Even teachers would mock my deeper voice (I didn't sound masculine at all really, it was just different I suppose) and I hated the fact that I was pretty much flat as a pancake in the chest region. All of my friends had always been and still for the most part are guys, because other females intimidate me. Except for the sport stereotypes, I think I conformed to quite a lot more male gender roles than I realised. It was a very short thing, but I really started to wonder whether people were right, whether I was meant to be a guy. It probably didn't help that I had a younger brother who I felt most of my family favourited, and that I just knew that I was different.

I'm undeniably still really unsure of how to feel about myself really. I think I've come to accept the fact that I was born female and I don't think that there is anything really pushing me enough to want to transition. It's a very weird feeling. If we all weren't surrounded by so much stereotyping and so many pressures I think my decision may have been easier and quicker.


I can't even begin to fathom how people who strongly want to transition would feel, it must be so horrible. It's so unlike anything else. If you hate your body, usually you can do something about it without judgement. If you smoke or drink or overeat, sure the process of stopping is hard, but there is support there. It's not like losing excess weight, it's totally different. It's a burden that stays with you forever, as I imagine you still have to tell partners and new friends in the future that you are transgender, unlike someone telling a friend or partner that they had a problem in their earlier life.

(I do apologise in advance if any of that sounds insensitive or is weirdly phrased, it's a really difficult thing to explain ahah)

 

[nard]

Just because one person wants to be something he isn't, doesn't mean he can be it. Even when people do a physical gender change they still really are the gender they are born as. Nothing can change that. (Of course there are exceptions such as intersexuals which are physically different.)

About conversion therapy. Forcing someone to change never will help. A person only can change when he wants to. But I've got no problem with parents trying to explain their child(ren) something they're convinced is wrong. That's your right as a parent. That's education, something parents are giving way too little nowadays, and the results are obvious everywhere. Of course the end decisions go to the person itself, and someone who doesn't want to listen, you just eventually have to leave alone and just let do what they want.

This boy, Josh, who wanted to be a girl and wanted to be called Leelah, remains what he physically is born as. The only reason people are calling him a girl is because he wanted to be one. And I don't think that's any reason to misuse the word.

I think they should put his real name on the grave, and he should be buried as a male, because those things are what he is. We're talking about real gender here, not sexual orientation or preference.

You cannot change who you physically are. The only thing that really can be changed is sexual orientation.

Now of course I find it saddening that a person commits suicide. But it's clear to me that he couldn't handle the fact that he was who he was. He hated his parents because of this, but obviously hated himself as well.

How could you say something like this? Just because you're religious ( Which I have heard somewhere? Maybe on this thread, I don't know. ) doesn't mean that you can't accept transgenders. I have a friend on here who is religious, yet they accept gays and other things like that. Think about others peoples feelings for once. How would you like it if you felt like you didn't fit in because of how YOU were? Wouldn't be nice.


Rest in power Leelah. You WILL be remembered.

 

[Princess Weeb]

Just because one person wants to be something he isn't, doesn't mean he can be it. Even when people do a physical gender change they still really are the gender they are born as. Nothing can change that. (Of course there are exceptions such as intersexuals which are physically different.).. etc it takes up too much space to fully quote you lol ff

requoting again because it still needs it

"You cannot change who you physically are" - Have you heard of makeup? Plastic surgery?
"The only thing that can be changed is your sexual orientation" - er no I *sigh*

I don't wake up in the morning and decide that I'm pansexual. I don't decide who I like. I don't force myself to find certain features or people attractive, it just happens. You can't change your sexual orientation, you just understand it better, really.

"Even with a physical gender change they would still be the same" - Not in law m8tey sorry about that. Say if they listed your hair colour on your records or something. Say I dye my blonde hair black. You can't call me blonde anymore, because I'm not. You're an idiot if you call me blonde and my hair is black. But you could say I'm naturally blonde. That is the same as if Leelah had said that she was transgender. She was born male, but after transitioning, she would have been in every way female.

Not even going to try with the parents stuff because lets face it, some adults are idiots, including her parents.

 

[lazuli]

destroy cis/heteronormativity

religion: says to be kind and help other
person of the religion: physically/mentally abuse someone, make them feel terrible, push them to the edge of killing themselves, etc all because theyre different
religion: wtf bruh i didnt say to do that

 

[Princess Weeb]

destroy cis/heteronormativity

religion: says to be kind and help other
person of the religion: physically/mentally abuse someone, make them feel terrible, push them to the edge of killing themselves, etc all because theyre different
religion: wtf bruh i didnt say to do that

"13If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. "

I don't think we can say religion has always fully preached messages that are fully acceptable today let's be honest ahah

 

[oath2order]

If you don't understand, then don't post in a thread for LGBT support
You're being very disrespectful and are upsetting people.

If it's for support, then explain it to her. Lucky clearly doesn't understand how being trans works.How about you actually take the time to explain it instead of being rude.

No it was there child. They should have burryed him in a suit. He was 17. And his parents called him what ever his real name is. So they should have done that. AND I DINT UNDERSTAND HOW UR A BOY AND WANNA BE A GIRL??!

 

[BungoTheElf]

Sorry? No I don't.

you posted this yesterday

It does look like a penis omg lmao Lmao lmao omfg and I just said penis lmao this is fun yet than the word diabetes

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Ohhhhhmmmmgggg kinky

I have not been rude, you were the one disrespecting trans people and a girls who's just died, ON A LGBT THREAD. Yes everyone has opinions, but there is a time and a place for certain opinions.

bless you.

Also "nonsense" is wrong, it's his opinion and he I and think it's correct. Not "nonsense".

I think salami is the best kind of soap and my cousin and I think its correct wow i guess it must not be nonsense right.

This boy, Josh, who wanted to be a girl and wanted to be called Leelah, remains what he physically is born as. The only reason people are calling him a girl is because he wanted to be one. And I don't think that's any reason to misuse the word.

I think they should put his real name on the grave, and he should be buried as a male, because those things are what he is. We're talking about real gender here, not sexual orientation or preference.

You cannot change who you physically are. The only thing that really can be changed is sexual orientation.

Now of course I find it saddening that a person commits suicide. But it's clear to me that he couldn't handle the fact that he was who he was. He hated his parents because of this, but obviously hated himself as well.

SHE hated her parents because they couldn't accept that she was a girl and that they didn't support her, not because of her parents' chromosomes and that she was born as a guy, did you even read her suicide note?? Leelah did not want to be a girl she is a girl, she herself said she felt like a girl trapped in a boy's body. She wanted to be called Leelah and be REFERRED to as female because she is a female.

Does physically really matter um what happened to it's what's inside that counts lmao


Also can we respect the dead please and refer to her as she would have wanted to be??
I'd say more but my words usually become more opinion based and I can get really angry okk lol

 

[Frances-Simoun]

Oh bummer and here I expected and nice thread for us :I There's always have to be someone who ruins it. Sheesh

 

[Chris]

Time to dial it back guys.

All attacking one user, even if you're offended or upset by their comment, is not helpful nor is it going to miraculously change their opinion. Although you might see something as rude and disrespectful, that person is still entitled to have a differing opinion from yours and they are still allowed to express it. The more you argue with them trying to change their views, the harder they're going to push back because they don't want you forcing your point of view on them either. If someone doesn't understand something, try to not be insulting or condescending in your response because that's just going to (and is what) lead them to retaliate. If they still don't agree with you after, then agree to disagree and stop pushing the issue. Continuing to argue past this stage is pointless.

 

[Lady Timpani]

Sorry to hear so many of you guys had the holiday coming out blues. Hopefully if your parents/ family reacted negatively, they'll understand someday. Sometimes it just takes time.

May Leelah Alcorn rest in peace.