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It amazes me what a big subject this is for so many people. I get the whole "I want to be accepted for who I am" vibe, don`t get me wrong, but in the end, isn`t it just a personal thing? Thats probably my biggest frown on homphobia and crap like that, what on earth are people putting their nose in? Its none of their business! What do they care?

I personally don`t care much for all the different names floating around in this thread. In the end only one thing matters, if you find someone you love, whether different or same sex, good for you. I understand that in many societies certain relationships are frowned upon and that being a truly problematic situation and I agree on that ofcourse. Personal freedom is vital, just like showing others respect and acceptance.
 
It amazes me what a big subject this is for so many people. I get the whole "I want to be accepted for who I am" vibe, don`t get me wrong, but in the end, isn`t it just a personal thing? Thats probably my biggest frown on homphobia and crap like that, what on earth are people putting their nose in? Its none of their business! What do they care?

I personally don`t care much for all the different names floating around in this thread. In the end only one thing matters, if you find someone you love, whether different or same sex, good for you. I understand that in many societies certain relationships are frowned upon and that being a truly problematic situation and I agree on that ofcourse. Personal freedom is vital, just like showing others respect and acceptance.

Damn straight. Or...not straight, too. xD lol
 
There is a reason visibility is needed. Because LGBT+ is not about telling people about the kind of sex you like to have. It's about equality.

Straight couples who are in love can get married. They can announce to the world their love and nobody tells them they're going to Hell for it. They can visit each other in the hospital when they are sick. They can hold hands in public without being in fear of judgmental stares or harassment. They face no limitations on adopting children. Cisgender people never have to worry about what restroom to use or face people who refuse to treat them as their gender. LGBT+ people can't do these things, not everywhere. And we'll never be accepted if we hide and don't let people know we're here.

Also, a much smaller percentage of the population is LGBT+ compared to straight. If we are single and lonely and longing for companionship, labelling ourselves and letting people know about it helps us improve our chances to find people we may be be romantically and/or sexually compatible with in our daily lives, rather than just asking anyone out and facing rejection (or worse, an extremely negative and homophobic reaction) much more often than not.
 
There is a reason visibility is needed. Because LGBT+ is not about telling people about the kind of sex you like to have. It's about equality.

Straight couples who are in love can get married. They can announce to the world their love and nobody tells them they're going to Hell for it. They can visit each other in the hospital when they are sick. They can hold hands in public without being in fear of judgmental stares or harassment. They face no limitations on adopting children. Cisgender people never have to worry about what restroom to use or face people who refuse to treat them as their gender. LGBT+ people can't do these things, not everywhere. And we'll never be accepted if we hide and don't let people know we're here.

Also, a much smaller percentage of the population is LGBT+ compared to straight. If we are single and lonely and longing for companionship, labelling ourselves and letting people know about it helps us improve our chances to find people we may be be romantically and/or sexually compatible with in our daily lives, rather than just asking anyone out and facing rejection (or worse, an extremely negative and homophobic reaction) much more often than not.

A very valid point, and very eloquently expressed. I believe there is a middle ground between "over-labelling" and not labeling at all. Visibility is indeed important in order to get the rights that we deserve, but at the same time, with regards to any issue, pushing too hard may not get the desired results and could backfire. A gradual acceptance will occur in time as the LGBT+ community gradually is seen as merely another part of what many close-minded people consider "normal" society. There has been substantial progress for the LGBT+ community in the last few years, and even though there is a long ways to go before equality, we are slowly but surely obtaining said equality, at least legally. Hopefully we will be able to obtain it in the eyes of society as well...
 

Has anyone else here seen this?

It's very powerful imo

It's a bit long but yeah

Puts the Masses in our shoes and kinda is moving for both parties

- - - Post Merge - - -

I forgot in the end she's suicidal. Please don't watch if that triggers you. D:
 
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Brrr that video made me shiver. DX
It is extreme... Thankfully not everyone has such extreme hatred for homosexuals, But powerful for sure.
 
Really? Man that's kinda sad... I feel I'm very lucky for living somewhere where it's mostly accepted...
Frowned upon and found weird at worse but it's not nearly as bad as this video.
 
Really? Man that's kinda sad... I feel I'm very lucky for living somewhere where it's mostly accepted...
Frowned upon and found weird at worse but it's not nearly as bad as this video.

When I came out my mother cried and my father quoted the bible a me. I was 21 years old and they still are in denial about it. I was kicked out of my church-- My mother sent me to a summer camp to 'correct' me when I was 16 because I was caught kissing a girl in the bathroom at school. I mean...

This really speaks to me hard core
 
There is a reason visibility is needed. Because LGBT+ is not about telling people about the kind of sex you like to have. It's about equality.

Straight couples who are in love can get married. They can announce to the world their love and nobody tells them they're going to Hell for it. They can visit each other in the hospital when they are sick. They can hold hands in public without being in fear of judgmental stares or harassment. They face no limitations on adopting children. Cisgender people never have to worry about what restroom to use or face people who refuse to treat them as their gender. LGBT+ people can't do these things, not everywhere. And we'll never be accepted if we hide and don't let people know we're here.

Also, a much smaller percentage of the population is LGBT+ compared to straight. If we are single and lonely and longing for companionship, labelling ourselves and letting people know about it helps us improve our chances to find people we may be be romantically and/or sexually compatible with in our daily lives, rather than just asking anyone out and facing rejection (or worse, an extremely negative and homophobic reaction) much more often than not.

I do understand your story and I agree that if you live somewhere where its not accepted, it is important to educate people by standing up as a community for what you need and deserve. However, for me it is baffling, because where I live all the things you mention seem really only a marginal issue.

Don't get me wrong, you still will find people who disagree with the gay lifestyle or could turn out abusive either physical or vocal. But its a very small part of the population.

My comment wasn`t really aimed at the people who shout out the message, but more to those who receive it. Those are the people I don`t understand. I myself have been bullied for about 7 years for example. So I feel a deep need to speak out now, to help in any way I can people who have to deal with it now. What I don`t understand, is why people need me to speak out, without understanding the consequences of their actions by themselves. And when I say I don`t understand it, I probably am lying to myself. I do understand, I just don`t want to. Because the truth is more hurtfull then the denial of the fact that people are to selfabsorbed, uneducated, lacking in empathy and ability to place themselves in someone else, etc. Its just painful.

Therefore the problem for me is not the message, but the fact that the message is needed. From a personal viewpoint, I don`t need the message, that was also hiding in my post. So when I read all this it tires me out. I recognize it to much maybe from the bullying. As someone who is speaking out, I suffer from exhaustion for constantly having to explain to people as a representative why it is so damaging for a person. Its not that I am not committed to spread the word, it is the emotional impact of the constant reminder people still don`t get it.

I`m a big believer in standing up for yourself and fighting for a just cause. I`ve seen documentaries about homosexuality in Russia and heard terrible stories about homosexuality in the middle east and Africa for example. But as GameLaxer said, the labelling does bother me. You see it everywhere, people have to be brought down to simple labels so we can categorize them for easy judgement. I`m not saying this thread builds that further up, but I am saying that by reading all this, I can`t help but feel that everybody here is so much more then this. For some reason that bothers me, I also have it in the mental illnesses thread btw. Thats probably a personal thing. I guess its confronting that a onedimensional label like your sexuality can have such a huge impact on your life, for example with adopting a child. The most loving people on the face of the earth can be denied the opportunity to raise a child. That just baffles me. But a lot of things baffle me.

Maybe you didn`t aim your post directly at me, I don`t mean it as an offense or whatever, but I just had to write this anyways.
I`m weird that way. :D Guess thats one of my labels.
 
The reason it is such a struggle to get some people to take the message is mostly because of religion. It is wrong to discriminate against people based on their sexuality, and religion is not an excuse, because it is also wrong to impose your religion on other people. But some people believe that can and should discriminate against and hate homosexuals because that's what they interpret their religious texts as saying. And you're right that is is different depending on where you live.
 
What do you guys think of political lesbianism (and any other political queerness, I suppose, but this is the only type I've seen so far)? I keep seeing it pop up and was wondering if any of you guys had, too.
 
What do you guys think of political lesbianism (and any other political queerness, I suppose, but this is the only type I've seen so far)? I keep seeing it pop up and was wondering if any of you guys had, too.

What do you mean by "political lesbianism?"
 
Political lesbianism bugs me, but I can't really explain why.

I'm pansexual and trans/non-binary (closest label I can find is genderfluid).
 
What do you mean by "political lesbianism?"

Basically it's this idea that straight women (mostly, though I think other types of queer women have been doing this too) choose to be lesbians to fight against sexism. You can read more here.

I'm with Aiyana in that I can't exactly pinpoint what bothers me about it. The closest I can come to explaining it is that I honestly don't think sexual orientation or gender identity (because I'm pretty sure I've seen some nb people identify as "politically non-binary") are choices.

Sorry, this a topic that bugs me a lot, but I suck at articulating why.
 
I don't really believe political lesbianism is a thing...
They're probably bi or les in the first place and use fighting against sexism as an excuse.
But since most of these girls are feminazis I'm gonna dislike them anyway,
I hate extreme feminism.
 
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The reason it is such a struggle to get some people to take the message is mostly because of religion. It is wrong to discriminate against people based on their sexuality, and religion is not an excuse, because it is also wrong to impose your religion on other people. But some people believe that can and should discriminate against and hate homosexuals because that's what they interpret their religious texts as saying. And you're right that is is different depending on where you live.

I don't think you quite understand the religious part. It's pretty easy to blame religion when you don't understand it. The bible says homosexuality is a sin, just like a lot of other stuff. Simple as that. If someone is a christian, they have very right to not believe in adultery, lying, cheating, or being gay. That's not the same as hating gay people. The bible doesn't teach anyone to hate others. Period. I'm not religious, but I was raised in the church. I've literally never met another christian that hated gay people. Do they exist? Sure. But there are haters in every demographic you could possible name.

I'm not trying to single you out, but comments like that irritate me. You don't defeat ignorance with ignorance. People have a right to believe what they want to believe. That's different than people hating others. Haters, no matter who they are or who they're hating on, should be shamed.

Just my two cents. I considered not coming anywhere near this thread since emotions tend to run so high with things like this. My opinion on the whole thing? I just don't care. Gay, straight, any other combo....I so don't care. Be happy and do what you want. I don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve and I don't like it when others do.
 
I don't think you quite understand the religious part. It's pretty easy to blame religion when you don't understand it. The bible says homosexuality is a sin, just like a lot of other stuff. Simple as that. If someone is a christian, they have very right to not believe in adultery, lying, cheating, or being gay. That's not the same as hating gay people. The bible doesn't teach anyone to hate others. Period. I'm not religious, but I was raised in the church. I've literally never met another christian that hated gay people. Do they exist? Sure. But there are haters in every demographic you could possible name.

I'm not trying to single you out, but comments like that irritate me. You don't defeat ignorance with ignorance. People have a right to believe what they want to believe. That's different than people hating others. Haters, no matter who they are or who they're hating on, should be shamed.

Just my two cents. I considered not coming anywhere near this thread since emotions tend to run so high with things like this. My opinion on the whole thing? I just don't care. Gay, straight, any other combo....I so don't care. Be happy and do what you want. I don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve and I don't like it when others do.

I don't recall ever reading that homosexuality is a sin. Just that homosexuality will become very common when society is on the verge of a moral collapsing (I think it was in Romans).

And I'm with you. I see a lot of the LBGT community totally bashing on religion, at least on the television and in the newspapers. I am not saying this to any body specifically, I know most of you probably don't. Also am not saying there are not Christians that spew hate, I know there are. But you can't win by calling them stupid and ripping on them. I guess this goes back to the whole eye for an eye bit.
 
What do you guys think of political lesbianism (and any other political queerness, I suppose, but this is the only type I've seen so far)? I keep seeing it pop up and was wondering if any of you guys had, too.

I know some political trans women.
I support them. Don't have much of an opinion on them though.

im very tired at this point of ignoring my chest but i really really want a binder. no one irl will buy it for me even if i offer them more than enough money. at this point im tempted to ask a teacher or my therapist but i feel like they wouldnt listen or care...i enter some giveaways for binders online but i never win. my transactions are connected to my mom so she sees everything i buy so i have no hope of buying it myself. aaaaaaaaaah im going to die
 
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