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Hana-Nezumi said:
I didn't make an ignorant statement. You took what I said out of context. I was answering ThomasNLD's questions about why a message about LGBT+ equality is needed and why there are people who don't treat LGBT+ people as equals to begin with. So I said that the reason many people are hard to convince that homophobia is wrong is because of what they believe their religion says. That is a true statement. I made no sweeping statements about Christianity in general or claims that all Christians are homophobes. And I was not even talking specifically about Christians, but anyone who uses religion as an excuse for hatred as there are also Muslims who do the same thing.

I wasn't offended because you disagreed with me, but because you accused me of not understanding religion, called my comment irritating, and implied that I was being ignorant. Those are not disagreements, but completely unnecessary personal attacks. And you put words in my mouth starting a religious debate in this thread when there didn't even need to be one.
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They weren't personal attacks. Not sure how you came away from it with that. In my opinion, your comments were ignorant and irritating. Again, you may want to work on getting a thicker skin if you take offense to everyone that disagrees with you.
 
tsundere said:
idk i try not to refer to non-het people as qu**r since it's still used as a slur. but i wish there was a general word for everyone in the LGBTQIA+ community that isnt a slur.
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I refer to myself as queer, and plenty of others do as well.
 
MayorOrpheus said:
They weren't personal attacks. Not sure how you came away from it with that. In my opinion, your comments were ignorant and irritating. Again, you may want to work on getting a thicker skin if you take offense to everyone that disagrees with you.
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Just because it's your opinion doesn't mean it's not a personal attack. And you're still ignoring my point that you took what I said completely out of context. I told you why I was offended it had nothing to do with you disagreeing, it was because you insulted my intelligence by telling me I don't understand religion (I do) and that my comments are ignorant (they weren't). I do have a very thick skin. My feelings are not hurt. That doesn't mean I'll just let people get away with saying false things about me and putting words in my mouth.
 
Hana-Nezumi said:
Just because it's your opinion doesn't mean it's not a personal attack. And you're still ignoring my point that you took what I said completely out of context. I told you why I was offended it had nothing to do with you disagreeing, it was because you insulted my intelligence by telling me I don't understand religion (I do) and that my comments are ignorant (they weren't). I do have a very thick skin. My feelings are not hurt. That doesn't mean I'll just let people get away with saying false things about me and putting words in my mouth.
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It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't put words in your mouth. I read what you wrote and considered it ignorant. I don't know why you're having a hard time dealing with that. It's called opinion. I have one. If I'd said something offensive, I'd apologize. You don't deserve an apology just because you're over sensitive. I don't care when people disagree with me. Why? People have opinions. There's bound to be someone who will disagree with me at some point. Whatever. Your sensitivity has derailed whatever conversation was going on here, at some point. Congrats.
 
Ok, guys, would you mind if we stayed on topic about LGBTQIA+ topics, please? I'd like to think of this thread as a safe space, and for everyone to voice his/her/their opinions without judgement, but rather with opinionated responses. You can say, respectfully, that you disagree, but this should be first and foremost a place to discuss LGBT+ issues, not flaws in arguments, etc. If you would like to continue a conversation that is not relevant, I, personally, and I'm sure many others, would appreciate it. Just remember that respect and understanding are key elements here and in any safe space. Thank you.
 
MayorOrpheus said:
It wasn't a personal attack. I didn't put words in your mouth. I read what you wrote and considered it ignorant. I don't know why you're having a hard time dealing with that. It's called opinion. I have one. If I'd said something offensive, I'd apologize. You don't deserve an apology just because you're over sensitive. I don't care when people disagree with me. Why? People have opinions. There's bound to be someone who will disagree with me at some point. Whatever. Your sensitivity has derailed whatever conversation was going on here, at some point. Congrats.
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I'm not even sensitive. I told you my feelings weren't hurt. So you're wrong again. You're not even listening to a single one of the points I'm making so whatever. I'm done with you.
 
Do any of you play Tomodatchi Life? I tried the demo today because some other TBTers mentioned that I might like it. Other than just seeming boring in general, I was kinda of upset that it wouldn't let me make my girlfriend's mii my spouse and hinted pretty heavily that you had to have a het couple to have a baby :( I mean, the game was boring besides that so I wouldn't keep playing it even if I could, but I thought that was lame.
 
remiaphasia said:
Do any of you play Tomodatchi Life? I tried the demo today because some other TBTers mentioned that I might like it. Other than just seeming boring in general, I was kinda of upset that it wouldn't let me make my girlfriend's mii my spouse and hinted pretty heavily that you had to have a het couple to have a baby :( I mean, the game was boring besides that so I wouldn't keep playing it even if I could, but I thought that was lame.
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I was considering getting that game, but got Harvest Moon: A New Beginning instead xD I'm really sorry that you had that experience...that's either an oversight on their part or rather homophobic (unlike the Sims). If anything, I would write something to the creators of the game and explain that their game is not only discriminatory, but also failing to compete with a major brand (the Sims) in terms of relationships. Perhaps it was only in the demo version, though. Who knows...but little things like that annoy me as well. Sometimes I even used to play as male characters in order to "woo" the girls, like in Harvest Moon XD but...yea...playing games with hetero-normative designs can be upsetting at times, so I understand. :/
 
GameLaxer said:
I was considering getting that game, but got Harvest Moon: A New Beginning instead xD I'm really sorry that you had that experience...that's either an oversight on their part or rather homophobic (unlike the Sims). If anything, I would write something to the creators of the game and explain that their game is not only discriminatory, but also failing to compete with a major brand (the Sims) in terms of relationships. Perhaps it was only in the demo version, though. Who knows...but little things like that annoy me as well. Sometimes I even used to play as male characters in order to "woo" the girls, like in Harvest Moon XD but...yea...playing games with hetero-normative designs can be upsetting at times, so I understand. :/
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Nintendo apologized and said it would be in the next game.
 
remiaphasia said:
Do any of you play Tomodatchi Life? I tried the demo today because some other TBTers mentioned that I might like it. Other than just seeming boring in general, I was kinda of upset that it wouldn't let me make my girlfriend's mii my spouse and hinted pretty heavily that you had to have a het couple to have a baby :( I mean, the game was boring besides that so I wouldn't keep playing it even if I could, but I thought that was lame.
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Yeah, a lot of people noticed that and protested. I didn't really have any interest in the game to begin with but the fact that you can't have same-sex marriages turned me off even more, just cause marriage seems like a pretty big aspect of the game. It's too bad that wasn't included. :(
 
GameLaxer said:
I was considering getting that game, but got Harvest Moon: A New Beginning instead xD I'm really sorry that you had that experience...that's either an oversight on their part or rather homophobic (unlike the Sims). If anything, I would write something to the creators of the game and explain that their game is not only discriminatory, but also failing to compete with a major brand (the Sims) in terms of relationships. Perhaps it was only in the demo version, though. Who knows...but little things like that annoy me as well. Sometimes I even used to play as male characters in order to "woo" the girls, like in Harvest Moon XD but...yea...playing games with hetero-normative designs can be upsetting at times, so I understand. :/
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Well it's only real life simulation games where it bothers me. Where you play a character that's walking around in daily life doing daily life things, et cetera having a family a job and a house or whatever. Like the Sims. If the whole point is that you're customizing a "life" why would they exclude things that aren't heteronormative? That'd be like if you couldn't make Sims that weren't white haha.

But it's not a big thing, just kinda took me aback since Nintendo is a household name.

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Saylor said:
Yeah, a lot of people noticed that and protested. I didn't really have any interest in the game to begin with but the fact that you can't have same-sex marriages turned me off even more, just cause marriage seems like a pretty big aspect of the game. It's too bad that wasn't included. :(
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I didn't realize that there had been any uproar over it, but I'm hearing now that this is sort of an old topic and shame on me for peeling the bandage off of old wounds I guess >.> Woops
 
remiaphasia said:
Well it's only real life simulation games where it bothers me. Where you play a character that's walking around in daily life doing daily life things, et cetera having a family a job and a house or whatever. Like the Sims. If the whole point is that you're customizing a "life" why would they exclude things that aren't heteronormative? That'd be like if you couldn't make Sims that weren't white haha.

But it's not a big thing, just kinda took me aback since Nintendo is a household name.
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True, true.

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C r y s t a l said:
Nintendo apologized and said it would be in the next game.
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Good for them. Glad that they recognized it. :)
 
Lady Timpani said:
I've heard that, with the character customization it offers, you can make it look like you're in a same-sex relationship.
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Yeah. There's no same-sex relationships in HM:ANB, but girl avatars can wear "boy clothes" (and get a "boy haircut") and vice versa.

You can do the same thing in Tomodachi Life, though.
 
Mephisto Pheles said:
Yeah. There's no same-sex relationships in HM:ANB, but girl avatars can wear "boy clothes" (and get a "boy haircut") and vice versa.

You can do the same thing in Tomodachi Life, though.
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I'm honestly curious to know if HM games will ever have same-sex marriages. I know HMDS: Cute had the "best friends" option in the Japanese version, but it'd still be nice to 1) court all the girls (or boys), not just the special ones and 2) have it be an actual marriage.

For now I guess I'll just stick with being a boy lol.
 
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