omg for real? i was just joking its not like the argument for me killing dan was any better than what ive just said -just coz ive played with him in the past, i thought it was clear i was only making a joke. what does fx mean?
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i honestly think ur being rly rude tbh and im taking some time off now to chill out .. mafia used to be somewhat playful and fun and lately it feels like thats just been forced out this game lmao , sorry if ive broken some kind of rule tho, genuinely was making an off hand remark as a joke, im pretty sure ive killed many a friend as mafia so ye
Sorry if that came rude, was not my intention.
But my point stand, that if your are being sussed you don't say things like that. I don't keep track of you games or if you have or have not kill x player, and most other players here also don't, so unless is stated it's a joke I can't take that into consideration and others might consider it.
The game has barely any information to go and you making post like that don't help my solving, fx means final day x= number of players left when town need to vote correctly or they lose. I don't think the games are being forced, is more that players are posting less and less as of lately which makes the games go slower and my play style goes with my win condition, which means I will try to solve the game and my post will be in reference to that.
And to clarify, I was not accusing you of game throwing, I was referring to the action of not voting/killing friends as a game thrown, not saying you are throwing.
well u (unless im misreading) said i dont deserve to win with town basically coz i said that so doesnt rly make me want to play now tbh. why do u think me and sheep have more chance of killing dan than anyone else then tho? bcoz we have played with him before? i havent played with dan in like maybe 4 or 5 years . i think we all know that playing mafia isnt about friends, again sorry if i shouldnt say things like that, i admit it wasnt a smart thing to say but ive been playing this game for so long and im well aware u dont not kill ppl coz u like them.... i was under the impression we all kinda knew that , bad joke tho and im sorry, wont inject my dumb ass personality into things again lol
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i do think dan is a rly good player so if i was mafia i prob would go for him tbh, i said that him and ness are my strongest ppl so i guess if that makes me sus then sure
well u (unless im misreading) said i dont deserve to win with town basically coz i said that so doesnt rly make me want to play now tbh. why do u think me and sheep have more chance of killing dan than anyone else then tho? bcoz we have played with him before? i havent played with dan in like maybe 4 or 5 years . i think we all know that playing mafia isnt about friends, again sorry if i shouldnt say things like that, i admit it wasnt a smart thing to say but ive been playing this game for so long and im well aware u dont not kill ppl coz u like them.... i was under the impression we all kinda knew that , bad joke tho and im sorry, wont inject my dumb ass personality into things again lol
I'm not saying that you don't deserve to win with town. You already clarify that you were joking, what I said was that no one that won't be willing to kill their friends in the game should be able to reach the point of no return that town needs to kill correctly or lose the games
Player A and B are friends.
Player A is town and won't vote for Player B because of their friendship.
Player B is mafia.
Player A, B, and C are the last players remaining.
Player B votes for player C because they know player A will follow, Player A votes for Player C and mafia wins.
And talking about Dan.
Ness and I don't have a real benefit of Dan dying, it lowers or POE from room 1 and if any of us is mafia, it makes the game harder, the bigger the room the better odds, the mafia in there has to survive, since the flips have been flip less.
I'm not saying you kill Dan, because you know him, it's optimal for the mafia in other rooms to eliminate from a room in which the mafia has already been killed, based on the message from Daniel and Betsy it seems to be the case from room 1, that is something a player with experience would know, and killing Daniel is optimal since he was the one that caught Betsy.
Out of all players
Group 2
Sheep
Tessa
Caff
Group 3
Shell
You
there can be 1-2 mafia, one in each group.
Tessa is my neighbor and atm I have no reason to suss them.
That leaves Sheep and Caff for Group 2
Shell
You
With the possibility of the following teams if 2 mafia remain
Shell-Sheep
Shell- Caff Shell- Tessa
You-Sheep
You- Caff You- Tessa
Like I said I don't suss Tessa atm moment
A team Shell-Caff could have killed Daniel out of revenge for pushing Betsy, that could possibly be the case.
But I think that killing goes beyond that, which means that imo either you or Sheep, have to be mafia for my theory to make sense, something that I will push.
So no Im not saying that you killed Daniel because you know him, I'm saying that someone with experience like you, would know it was an optimal play as mafia because that room is already cleared for most.
i do think dan is a rly good player so if i was mafia i prob would go for him tbh, i said that him and ness are my strongest ppl so i guess if that makes me sus then sure
i just think its a bit simplistic, i think u could apply that logic to a lot of ppl in the game other than me and sheep, also mafia would be well aware that shooting experienced ppl is bold and be ready for the heat , dont see why someone newer couldnt have done it and hope that me and sheep would take the heat (especially knowing i cant take heat) , i mean i stand by what i said, as mafia id always probably kill the natural leaders but this is kinda a weird set up so who knows what id do esp in this game where theres actually not any clear leaders
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ur both good players : ) im sure if betsy wasnt mafia then itd be a smart move tho , if we're assuming then she must be then ye i agree ur logic makes sense and i didnt rly see it like that , honestly the whole room logistics and not knowing what ppl flip is rly too confusing for me and im dumb even in standard games so im sorry for not catching on to probably simple things
im sleepy so i prob wont be around much longer , just a heads up
I really feel like saying Shell wouldn't optimize room killings is undermining her skills when she literally won as maf last game. Dan was also her partner back then so Dan would know how Shell operates as maf which would be an additional reason to kill him.
Really though I think looking in to Dans death is useless if I'm being honest. It does reduce the odds of there being maf in room 1 a bit, yeah but that's about it imo?
Polite reminder to take a little break from your device if you feel a message has rubbed you the wrong way. It's often better to take your time and respond a little later than fire an immediate reaction.
Polite reminder to take a little break from your device if you feel a message has rubbed you the wrong way. It's often better to take your time and respond a little later than fire an immediate reaction.
Opening up RE: why I did not like Cafflines behavior EOD.
Cafflines progression throughout the day makes zero sense.
There was the reaction test on Tessa that made her think Tessa was more town, but at the same time during this she said she was of the opinion wolves would lay low. Tessa was arguably laying the lowest at this point and continued to do so in her RX response.
This switch on to B100m came directly after Tessa voted for B100m so it reads as extremely wagonrider-y to me. Even more so after the back and forth I had with Caffline at EOD where despite wanting to switch her vote she was pretty much locked on to B100m regardless of anything said.
The reason I originally felt Caffline was more town than Tessa was because of the reaction check on Tessa. Prior to that Caffline had randomly swapped on to the Tessa wagon that I was riding despite it again coming totally out of the blue. The RX thing explained it to me at the time since I thought that seemed way too elaborate for a newbie to randomly come up with so it read as honest instead of going on the Tessa wagon. Now I'm extremely hesitant to just see that as a genuine RX as opposed to trying to do some wagoning. Especially given the contradictory results of said check and the B100m wagon.
I hope this post makes literally any sense my head hurts and I feel like death.
I had switched to b100ming because tessa gave a decent counter argument to my susing of her. She mentioned that even if she died, we should be forward thinking for town’s best interest. Maybe it’s because I’m new to hearing something like that, but it was enough for me to rethink (not that I had a strong sense before). B100ming’s strong vote for you felt out of place, I couldn’t understand how she wasn’t more hesitant, and I didn’t feel she provided enough reasoning. However, I did not know she was as young as she is, which I think may have changed thing for me if I knew.
Anyways I voted because there wasn’t much time left. By the time you made made counter arguments and I re-thought my vote, you had already voted tessa. B100ming still had a vote left and I thought for sure she was going to vote tessa and let it go to RNG. If I switched my vote then, tessa would have been eliminated and that’s why I asked b100ming to give me a good enough reason. My only other choice was to vote you, and what good would have that done…
I will say, at the end I did wish I had voted tessa from the get go before you voted. My gut feeling is still that tessa is mafia. But I feel like Ace would know better, and I feel more inclined to follow his lead than my own.
That said, if you are mafia, I don’t think you’d openly state you think there’s still a wolf in room 2 or imply we misvoted. My gut still says tessa - but honestly it could have been b100ming too.
hello from the night crew. is it just me again....?
regarding dan's death: in room 1, when dan was flipped it increased the chance that other room 1 people were mafia - their chances increased from 25% to 33%. because of this, killing dan is an action room 1 mafia would not take because it increases suspicion on them. however if the mafia in there is already dead, then this is no problem for other room mafia, it's a safe mafia action. it's still a possibility that the mafia knows this and are just fooling me, but yeah, I also think room 1 is clear.
and most optimal play for town here is def vote someone from room 2.
so...
a very meta read for caffline: null. feels like how i know her in real life, i dunno what her lying game is like but she reads genuine in her "confusedness" to me at least @Caffline how would you respond if i voted for you today? and if ace voted sheep, would you also vote sheep or would you go with your gut and vote tessa?
tessa: wolf lean. feels like a lurker, she chose to neighbourize ace very early on in the waiting phase (kinda bold of her, which is not something i saw her doing as town if i'm reading her right from past experience). and i'm getting the sense more was said in neighbourhood than in the ball, which tells me she's following the game but not expressing much? i don't really remember tessa saying much other than... family was visiting or something? sorry, memory is fuzzy >.< @tessa. why did you choose ace? over ness, betsy, dan? also daang if tessa is mafia with neighbour ability... got ace pocketed and is kinda influencing caffline :0
sheep: town lean. feels solve-y and objective. most vocal of room 2 which is why they're my least sus-ed right now as i think most optimal play for mafia in flipless is lay low.
idk if you want me to explain this or not or if you want everyone to just say what they think without influence from others so I'll leave it at that? Stab me with a pencil or something when you want my full thoughts on the matter.
Also very curious to hear your team thoughts as I've been sitting on that for a while.
If everyone propose their suspicions on the other rooms, and we’re just picking brains here, why are we ruling out or forgetting room 1? Offing Dan at night could have been a tactic to make room 1 look clear. I mean, it’s working - everyone is declaring it clear and I think
What if the wolves are Ace and tessa? What if tessa neighbourized Ace right after the individual room phase and they are throwing people off together and being each other’s alibis?
If I disregard this neighbourhood cahoots theory… and the feeling that room 3 is clear…. Sorry Shell, I’m going to have to go with you. I know you well enough to know not to underestimate you. Mog does not feel wolf to me either.
If everyone propose their suspicions on the other rooms, and we’re just picking brains here, why are we ruling out or forgetting room 1? Offing Dan at night could have been a tactic to make room 1 look clear. I mean, it’s working - everyone is declaring it clear and I think
What if the wolves are Ace and tessa? What if tessa neighbourized Ace right after the individual room phase and they are throwing people off together and being each other’s alibis?
If I disregard this neighbourhood cahoots theory… and the feeling that room 3 is clear…. Sorry Shell, I’m going to have to go with you. I know you well enough to know not to underestimate you. Mog does not feel wolf to me either.
hello from the night crew. is it just me again....?
regarding dan's death: in room 1, when dan was flipped it increased the chance that other room 1 people were mafia - their chances increased from 25% to 33%. because of this, killing dan is an action room 1 mafia would not take because it increases suspicion on them. however if the mafia in there is already dead, then this is no problem for other room mafia, it's a safe mafia action. it's still a possibility that the mafia knows this and are just fooling me, but yeah, I also think room 1 is clear.
and most optimal play for town here is def vote someone from room 2.
so...
a very meta read for caffline: null. feels like how i know her in real life, i dunno what her lying game is like but she reads genuine in her "confusedness" to me at least @Caffline how would you respond if i voted for you today? and if ace voted sheep, would you also vote sheep or would you go with your gut and vote tessa?
tessa: wolf lean. feels like a lurker, she chose to neighbourize ace very early on in the waiting phase (kinda bold of her, which is not something i saw her doing as town if i'm reading her right from past experience). and i'm getting the sense more was said in neighbourhood than in the ball, which tells me she's following the game but not expressing much? i don't really remember tessa saying much other than... family was visiting or something? sorry, memory is fuzzy >.< @tessa. why did you choose ace? over ness, betsy, dan? also daang if tessa is mafia with neighbour ability... got ace pocketed and is kinda influencing caffline :0
sheep: town lean. feels solve-y and objective. most vocal of room 2 which is why they're my least sus-ed right now as i think most optimal play for mafia in flipless is lay low.
Well, I don’t know… maybe. If we vote room 2 next, I’m leaning towards tessa but I don’t want to presume I know better than the more experienced so I’m easily swayed at this point.
Honestly I think the wolves are Ace and tessa. I hope this doesn’t make me seem sus… if so, goodbye cruel world
@Sheep Villager Assume a scenario where both of Shell or Mog are the wolf for room 3, I wanna know your thoughts on them more than anyone in your room.
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@Ace Marvel You say it’s not Tessa but I need you to give me an inkling of an idea of what all she has said in your chat. During rooms 1/2 what were her thoughts, anxieties, etc.
@Sheep Villager Assume a scenario where both of Shell or Mog are the wolf for room 3, I wanna know your thoughts on them more than anyone in your room.
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@Ace Marvel You say it’s not Tessa but I need you to give me an inkling of an idea of what all she has said in your chat. During rooms 1/2 what were her thoughts, anxieties, etc.
I was Tessa wolf parterre during her first game here, I assumed from the start that was the reason I was invited to the neighborhood. there is not much going on in the chat, but there was a moment were Sheep was the probable kill and I gave Tessa some stuff to push Sheep and were not used, because Tessa didn't believe sheep was the mafia, that makes me think is Tessa is not a wolf, because the main objective of the wolves in room phase was to survive.
Overall Tessa's activity in the chat is the same as in thread.
I suss you during our phase and read room 2, both of us kinda ignore room 3.
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If room 1 is really clear, I think the mafia kills will be in that room. Tomorrow will start the game with 5 players, which means that if 2 mafia are still alive we have to eliminate correctly or we lose.
@Sheep Villager There just doesn’t exist a universe where Ace is teamed with anyone other than Tessa, and the chances of that are slim. I have my reasons why but we can discuss that later.
its not like the argument for me killing dan was any better than what ive just said -just coz ive played with him in the past, i thought it was clear i was only making a joke. what does fx mean?
