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[Geoni]

A lot of nulls for 136 pages Waffles.

 

[unravel]

Ik im sorry for drinking and **** ugh

 

[cornimer]

New Updated Bullet List In Order
PunchyDaHufflepuff - Confirmed
N e s s - "choose your own adventure" claim, to quote Bianca, not likely fabricated
toadsworthy - NOT SCUM because of everyone ganging up on him, genuine response to almost being lynched, and also his behaviour this whole game is not that different from his town behaviour if you actually take off your tunneling glasses and read
Heyden - I don't see scum!Heyden tunneling toads this hard, he has put a lot of effort into this game, and his posts feel very different from last game.
Byngo - very genuine tone, plus it's pretty self explanatory
Hikari - I was originally a liiiittle sus of her for showing up right at the end of night and being like "oh yeah Rune is suspicious" when she never mentioned him before, but something Heyden said is making me townlean her.
Locket - I've found her behaviour very town all game (eg not knowing anything that was going on at the beginning of the game), but I wasn't a fan of her reads list and obviously we have that message to deal with.
Dad - Eh, I'm still convinced either him or glow is on the team (unless there are only three scum? Actually there are probably only three scum, in which case it could be Rune/Waffles/Jacob). But if it's now Jacob, it's Dad or glow, but I find glow more sus than Dad. I really want to re-read both of them today though, this is all off the top of my head.
glow - the thing someone (Heyden or Dad) said about reverse psychology by tunneling toads so hard could very well be true. Also she was defending Runeraider a lot in the beginning.
jacob - Honestly this is kind of more POE, Jacob isn't suuuuuuper scummy, but some posts from my original ISO of him still stand. I need to re-read some of his newer posts.
ITookYourWaffles - everything she has said is sus and that reads list with all the nulls really solidifies it

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OH I FORGOT EVAN
I need to re-read him too, but he'd probably go above Dad. He was for a Rune lynch pretty much since the beginning of the day which is points, but Rune was a goon so if scum were to sacrifice-bus anyone on the team it would be him. I've liked his tone as well though.

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Seriously if for some reason I'm not here tomorrow (unlikely but still) and you guys lynch toads after my hard work to drag the lynch off of him I'm going to be

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Oh I also forgot Bianca lmao what am I doing
Bianca is green and after Heyden. Her tone and her ideas all game are very indicative of town Bianca, however a tiiiiiny part of me is paranoid about her receiving that message and that she could have made it up or told us something different? But other than that everything she has said screams town to me.

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*after Heyden and Byngo not after Heyden

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Ok I think I'm done

 

[cornimer]

Actually change locket to green on that list. I am very very much doubting the existence of any sort of oracle for reasons I'm not explaining right now

 

[Geoni]

btw Vanessa I was the one to say that about glow, and yeah she still doesn't sit right with me, due to that tunnel leading to a lack of reads across the board that I'd expect more from glow. Yeah, she's tunneled as town before but there can be a self-awareness there. And I still think that this is a possible team of Locket/glow/Jacob.

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Heyden is townreading glow, for the record.

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'for reasons I'm not explaining now'

And if mafia kills you? Then what? If you're not going to explain that, at least share what you think that message is about because it's a bizarre move from Bianca if she's mafia.

 

[glow]

What are people's thoughts on glow? Because I'm not a fan of how hard she tunneled toads and I think it could be a reverse psychology move to seem town because people don't think mafglow would hardtunnel, but her avoidance of this lynch sets off red flags for me. And knowing what Locket is would be helpful because I still don't trust that it was necessarily a fabrication and their posts and behavior after Bianca revealed that has consistently been scummy.

Waffles is coasting as well, yeah.

Evan turned into a hard townread after that lynch because he was the one to lead it pretty much. Vanessa also was against Rune from early on but I'm not as sure on her but this still makes her seem more likely to be town than scum.

I still dislike a lot of Toads activity this game but with so many people aligning against him I find it hard to believe he's scum, but if he is, they're using him as a bus-pawn.

yes setup ur d2 reason to sus me pls

rune flipping town makes toads town how exactly? toads wanted to lynch locket the most and if he didn't vote rune for self preservation it would confirm them as partners.

my "avoidance" for runes lynch is because toads was objectively the most optimal lynch fmpov and i did not scumread rune over him. how exactly is that a good reason to sr me though? also there was still plenty of resistance to toads lynch enough to say that i didn't/don't believe everyone is aligning against him. (nor do I think that's a good reason to townread someone for)

 

[cornimer]

btw Vanessa I was the one to say that about glow, and yeah she still doesn't sit right with me, due to that tunnel leading to a lack of reads across the board that I'd expect more from glow. Yeah, she's tunneled as town before but there can be a self-awareness there. And I still think that this is a possible team of Locket/glow/Jacob.

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Heyden is townreading glow, for the record.

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'for reasons I'm not explaining now'

And if mafia kills you? Then what? If you're not going to explain that, at least share what you think that message is about because it's a bizarre move from Bianca if she's mafia.

Ah ok thanks, I couldn't remember if you or Heyden said that and I was too lazy to look back.

Noted, but I think Heyden is town regardless of what glow is.

I can't explain why I'm like 98% sure the message is unreliable because that would involve saying something that helps scum, but my best guess is that mafia has messaging abilities and can send people anonymous messages. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, because 1) idk why they would choose to send Bianca the message and 2) it would've been much easier for them to choose someone who was already sussed at that time like me or toads, but maybe they were trying to pick something less obvious to make it more believable in a way. On second thought I don't reeeeally think Bianca made it up because that is a bit crazy (although she has made risky moves before, like counterclaiming vig in Caxnival)

 

[Geoni]

If there is some sort of scum antithesis to Ness' ability then I can see it being done for the sake of causing confusion and getting weak town lynched but again Bianca is an odd choice, still specific too. And yet at the same time if it's a cop thing redirected then I feel more confident about it being the team I mentioned. But then there's thinking about why cop would choose to inspect Locket N0 of all people.

Also I hate it when people swoop in minutes after they're being discussed to defend themselves. Tells me they've been lurking. I like how the first response is to start up a me vs glow battle and yet I've not just been sussing glow since night: I started sussing her and Jacob shortly before the lynch actually.

 

[toadsworthy]

I'm so hungover holy hell........ won't be on probably until after the night is over

 

[cornimer]

I have a little time to sit down and actually color some people right now, the people who I'm actually a little sure of, I won't really include anyone who I haven't put the time into reading yet. Theres been a lot of fluff bickering I skipped admittedly...


Dolby Confirmed
PunchyDaHufflepuff Supported by Dolby's role
Tina Confirmed
Biancasbotique Not confirmed, but categorizing her is the only way I'll be able to go through her posts, theres a lot of air and not a lot of logic in the things she hits "post" on, but I doubt anyone as mafia would play like she is.
Byngo Basing my reads off things that actually happened and were revealed in the thread, Byngo claimed to receive some form of message. I know that doesn't clear her by any means, but the fact that she decided to spill that information despite being told she wasn't allowed to tell the thread (I believe she claimed that) is in good pretty good taste

glow
Dad
Speculated on Godfather thing, sorry. When I refer to Godfather I don't actually mean the role (which I think someone posted that was their assumption with that), but I guess thats definitely possible. It's definitely strange that Dolby and Tina were killed, it leaves them in the light which could've been a tactic used by mafia ? But at the same time, if one of these 2 were actually Godfather role, they wouldn't be worried about someone inspecting them, or they would think that being inspected would actually clear them.
Also, the fact that the majority of the rest of the playerlist (ie. Vanessa, Toads, Runeraider, ITYW) is already being scum read, the team would probably be fairly weak without one of these two.

Locket
Vanessa
toadsworthy
There's definitely dark light based on the Miller claimed by Vanessa and Toads, but that's already been searched. Moreso Locket being revealed to be Mafia (unexpectedly, for an unknown reason at this point), that looks pretty bad. But I'm not sure, if we withheld lynching her today, someone else might receive a similar message about another player or not, and it could help determine if the message came from a whisper or an anon investigation

The rest I will be working on my thoughts, probably isolations because I have no definite scum reads, and I want to feel confident in who I'm voting

Everyone pls note that Jacob didn't comment on Runeraider in his reads list

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Alright, I skimmed Jacob's filter and his most recent posts can basically be summed up as speculation about the oracle matter, and then a bit of speculation about Ness' tweeting ability. While all of this is obviously important to the game, I didn't actually see a lot of scumhunting going on. One noteable post, which was in regards to Toads, is this:

Ya I'm confused too that's why I feel like there needs to be like at least one other good reason to lynch him and I'll be on board

He ended up voting for toads last night ofc. This kind of reminds me of Rune, acting a bit skeptical just so he doesn't come off as desperately trying to keep the lynch off of scum.

So these points are against him, HOWEVER, one thing I do like is how he has been skeptical of the whole oracle deal because, once again, I'm almost certain it is a scum sham. In the event that Locket is mafia, however, this would be another point against him.

 

[Jacob]

@Vanessa in all fairness I wasn't even online to participate or even see anyone switching their votes to Rune. Voting Toads when I did was based off not knowing if I'll have time to drop a lynch so I chose him for being one of my yellows and him also being set for lynch. It was a logical move for me as town, but hindsight bias also reveals it to be a logical (arguably, although as mafia I probably would've been more cautious and made sure I was online to switch up a vote if it happened, which usually does happen EoN1) as mafia

thats just me trying to drop an explanation for voting toads with the little explanation I gave, I didn't even have any new unique scum reads on my own anyhow, because its definitely a valid thing I'd be suspicious of myself

hmm kinda rambly but i feel like that needed to be addressed by me

 

[N e s s]

Somewhat ISO on Waffles:

Im kinda fearing Dolby tbh like what if this time hes a scum I usually see him as town yanno and it would be really a risk if we rush off voting him just saying

We can't just rash vote Dolby sorry dude but its really risky for you to vote man aside from you as experienced player i rather vote someone confident of alignment like for example Vanessa ya get what i mean right?

Ik i'm beating a dead horse by bringing these posts again, but I still find it hard to get over just how suspicious they are. I want to say I've come to the conclusion at this point that the reason scum wanted me as president (as shown by the landslide win) is three reasons:

1. They thought I would be less of a threat than Dolby (which they're right I guess)
2. They figured that by electing a blue role they could blend in with the crowd, as I had a bit of a band wagon effect by claiming blue
3. They must have thought that it wouldn't be that hard to dispose of me with the president only having 1 bodyguard for protection (which isn't the case now since I have 3 vests).

So, I think that Waffles might have been trying to discredit a Dolby campaign purely out of fear for the future. It made absolutely no sense to have been saying that "ohh dolby has me concerned" when it was literally only 2 pages into the game. That, and Waffles brought up 2 players who are generally considered "mid tier" (me and Vanessa) so I can see Waffles trying to keep experienced players away from president.

Targeting newbies?

This was waffles calling out PunchyDaHufflepuff for him being suspicious of Runeraider. I find this post to probably be Waffle's most questionable one, as Punchy barely even said a word about Runeraider with this post:

Runeraider post already. Please.

Seems almost like Waffles is lowkey deflecting suspicion.

Townlean: PunchyDaHufflepuff, N e s s, Dolby,
Slight Townlean: Runeraider, glow
Slight Scumlean: Toadsworthy, Dad (Gutfeeling), Locket (Gutfeeling), Jacob

I find it very interesting how Waffle's only reasoning for the Toadsworthy suspicion is a one liner saying:

I personally didn't like how Toad's act towards Ness and Dolby what is ur frigging objective huh?

And that is enough to warrant a scumlean. Something else I find interesting? The fact that Locket is a part of the scumleans based on a "gut feeling". Oh, and it's pretty coincidental that Runeraider is a part of the slight town leans as well. What reasoning is there for any of these scum/slight town leans exactly? None. This entire reads post that Waffles created is disguised to look like she's doing something when in reality it's just refuting points everyone else has already said.

Lemme bet my kidney that at least 1 or 2 in my scumlean list are scum

This post makes me want to say that if Waffles is scum then she pulled the classic "Town/Scum/Town" reads sandwich so that she could later say "OOOH I was right about them!!!". Kinda want to say this might be true given I'm kinda suspicious of Jacob right now.

Toadsworthy ISO: -snip-

Feel free to go back and reread this post if you want proof, but I want to say that it feels as if this post has no substance to it? Its a bunch of quotes tied together with a little blurb at what Waffles thinks it's saying, but theres no conclusion to it; no original thoughts that prove that there is something suspicious about Toadsworthy. At most Waffles says "yah thats odd", but once again its something that looks as if Waffles is trying to be useful when she isn't.

And when did I attack Rune raider???

Getting anxious about Runeraider...hmmmmmmmmm

****ing hell so much thing to catch up reveal the messages now guys and now im having doubts with toads and vanessas claim but if i were to pick who to lynch its Toads man hes most suspicious of all anyway

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Wtf 3 millers what is **** is going on in here

And this is yet another thing I find peculiar. Waffles comes in here and basically says "oh man i got tons of stuff to catch up on i'll go ahead and vote Toad cuz he vry sus xD". Once again, there literally next to no reasoning stated as to why she voted him other than the claim.

You know what you do have a point screw this

I find it kinda interesting how Waffles says to Toadsworthy that she thinks he has a point, yet she continues to keep her vote on him. She says he has a point with this post:

No the way glow was defending my argument against Vanessa it came off strange.... like why wouldn't you think I would be suspicious of anyone who claims the same thing minutes after me. I needed time to digest. Did glow say vanessa was scum earlier? Like I said I runs her out because of her extreme tunneling

Waffles if he had a point, then why would you keep your vote on him lol.

Ugh finally we lynch scum we can go for either locket or toads but im leaning towards toads still and ofc i too not impressed with my current playstyle I egen trying to catcg up man

///(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ excuse me as i subtly try to act happy about lynching rune when i kept my vote on the guy who is probably town at this point
✧ﾟ･: *ヽ(◕ヮ◕ヽ)///

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So yeah, in conclusion I want to lynch Waffles next.

 

[PunchyTheCat]

Ahh every1's making good points. I think we should lynch waffles (or locket) for reasons already stated.

 

[EpicGamer12]

End of Night 1​

Flavor text will be added later.

Spoiler: Death - PunchyDaHufflepuff

Name: Barack Obama
Role: Mason
Win Condition: Eliminate all hostile roles.
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You are Barack Obama. You and your sidekick Joe are working together to stop the corrupt presidency. You have your voice and your vote. Additionally, you can discuss your thoughts with a confirmed town player, Joe Biden.

Quicktopic Link: REDACTED

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Start of Day 2​

Day ends February 20, 2018 at 7PM EST.

 

[N e s s]

3 mafia confirmed I think? Only 1 kill

Also I got an anonymous message saying "Waffles is mafia" with the mafia part actually being red. Funny how it got sent to me this time with mafia actually being in red now.

 

[Jacob]

Rip Punchy thank you for your service

 

[N e s s]

Btw...the title of the PM is "Night Results". @Bianca Was your message titled the same way, or is it literally "You got an anonymous message"? Because the anonymous message part of mine is actually inside the PM.

 

[Byngo]

3 mafia confirmed I think? Only 1 kill

Also I got an anonymous message saying "Waffles is mafia" with the mafia part actually being red. Funny how it got sent to me this time with mafia actually being in red now.

that or one of their kp landed on a doc protect or something

but probably they’re down to 2

more messages smh

 

[Jacob]

The fact that the color of the text in a mysteriously received message has changed - in my opinion - is extremely suspicious, inconsistent, and more than likely unreliable.

However I do agree Waffles is a good choice for lynch. Your case was pretty convincing ness, but I will also be isolating her and comparing what I find to what you did before the day is over

 

[cornimer]

3 mafia confirmed I think? Only 1 kill

Also I got an anonymous message saying "Waffles is mafia" with the mafia part actually being red. Funny how it got sent to me this time with mafia actually being in red now.

Maybe scum wanted it to look legit this time
I really wanted to lynch waffles but I'm like 2% conflicted now