Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[Heyden]

Although Heyden would be bussing Amanda here and I'm not sure what to think of that. But he did go after Panda more today before knowing she was survivor probably.

Don't you think all the mafia are bussing rn though?
This is totally OMGUS but if Panda does indeed flip survivor then I think you're scum cos you're trying to pin me for that lol.

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Well, I thought you we're scum anyway by PoE, but you get what I mean.

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We still have almost a full day left before she would be mod-killed. I agree if that happens it's good for us, in quite a similar way to Kammm's mod-kill, as it will remove all doubt and debate whilst giving us answers and other info to work with. I would personally be very surprised if Ryumia just gets mod-killed though, she has demonstrated she is both thoughtful and thorough in her play here until her last post (where she said she needs to cool down her head iirc). Her only other activity on TBT since then was a post in the "what's bothering you" thread and the message she left for Chick that Heyden already mentioned, which fits with how seriously she seems to have been taking this game.

I'm actually on the same track as you, I saw her What's Bothering You post earlier and it felt super genuine.

I'm just stuck on why scum Amanda would bring this point up bc it's so town motivated, unless she's scum with Ryumia. idk something just feels off cos I just seriously tr so many scummy people rn.

 

[amanda1983]

I don't mind the reaction testing (although it could be a cma moment if Panda did flip plain old survivor), but why harp on the shopkeeper thing?

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If Heyden flipped mafia it would make me reconsider Amanda given Amanda and Panda were the ones he was looking at before the reaction testing moment.

What does "cma" stand for sorry? I remember what CFD is (though I don't like it nor want to use it personally) but I haven't seen cma before.

Also - am I right in thinking you meant the Heyden flipping Mafia thing as a hypothetical? Coz he's been sus, ya, but he's not someone even I'm seriously thinking is viable for tomorrow's lynch in this game-state.

but its mylo and we have more blues than VTs why would we NOT massclaim

do u disagree about ryumias line being a blue soft?

Dad, could you please answer glow's question here about Ryumia?

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How is Antonio different? Or Panda for that matter.

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Noting this here because the discussion about - and around -Antonio has been going on for an awfully long time now compared to other discussions I would think would be more valuable and advantageous for two experienced players to be having if they're Town this game.

@Kayla: I'm just not writing him off is all. I can agree that it is a better sign that nobody defended Antonio against a lynch early on and Mog showed some antagonism towards him but that post I ran across just made me slightly uncomfortable.

@Amanda: I think if mafia keeps KP up at 2 it's still helpful, even though a mislynch is priority, because certain clears/prs (Vanessa and Ness probably) need to be gotten rid of and having 2 kills would help if mafia is taking a less forceful approach to this situation. And yeah if Panda was mafia they wouldn't want her claiming survivor unless it was panic moment they could do nothing about because that is probably a person who is vulnerable to being lynched and I figure they would more carefully approach her claiming in thread in order to not lose her. And that is why I feel more sure about her being survivor rather than maf but there's still a chance it could have been a panic moment on her part and if so, it would make me feel better about Heyden and the only loss here would be losing someone who doesn't count towards town numbers.

And what I was saying to Vanessa with that sentence was a way of me saying I'll drop the request to know who she protected last night after she responded, particularly because I don't think this is gonna be a mislynch. If it is, Panda gamethrew.

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Then again I think she is gonna die tonight if we survive but I can kinda see the point in still keeping quiet about it if she can't protect the same person twice in a row, especially if the person she was on wasn't in the unclear pool anyways.

Also, in case people wanna know where I'm at with level of sus from greatest to least: Heyden > Amanda > Kayla > Antonio > Ryumia. But also if any of the pr claims are fake, great job.

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Actually you know what? I can agree that Antonio is pretty unsus if I can shake off the Mog and Tom defense as bad nubplay. And it would be Heyden > Amanda > Kayla > Ryumia > Antonio. And if Panda flips red, I'd change that to Amanda > Kayla > Ryumia > Heyden/Antonio and feel more sure about the team.

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Oh wait Amanda I clarified the wrong sentence. I am saying I want a Panda lynch because I disagree with Ness in that it won't be as informational, but I think it is, because in the off chance Panda flips red I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching Heyden that next day due to his reaction testing and bold sus of role flavortext.

Thanks for the answers Dad, I really appreciate your thoroughness and attention to detail.

I see where you're coming from RE the KP thing now, and whilst I don't necessarily agree, I don't disagree either. Your perspective on that makes sense to me now.

I don't really follow why Panda's flip makes Heyden more or less suspicious to you - scum!Heyden could have just been targeting a fairly vulnerable Town player (from his PoV) and hit unexpected gold ; scum!Heyden could be bussing scum!Panda ; or (less likely but not out-of-the-realms-of-possibility imo) Town!Heyden genuinely targeted Panda (of any alignment) and this is the result.. Idk, I just don't see where you're coming from with those last two paragraphs.

 

[Geoni]

I'm trying to pin you for what? Panda flipping survivor? No, I think you slipped up in the wake of your reaction test when you announced that is what it was, began to scramble for reasons to keep sussing Panda as maf and not survivor, and how you acknowledged how fake your emotion during one of our exchanges was with EBWOP. That, in combination that you have had a very long-held strong scumread of Kermit before most of town did and in retrospect that looks good on you. You keep bringing up how you 'townread so many scummy people' because acting like you're full of uncertainty and doubt is mafia acting fundamentals, but at this point it feels forced.

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I was responding to Heyden here but Amanda ninja'd--^

 

[amanda1983]

Don't you think all the mafia are bussing rn though?
This is totally OMGUS but if Panda does indeed flip survivor then I think you're scum cos you're trying to pin me for that lol.

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Well, I thought you we're scum anyway by PoE, but you get what I mean.

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I'm actually on the same track as you, I saw her What's Bothering You post earlier and it felt super genuine.

I'm just stuck on why scum Amanda would bring this point up bc it's so town motivated, unless she's scum with Ryumia. idk something just feels off cos I just seriously tr so many scummy people rn.

Heyden - you think if I was scum with Ryumia I would bring up a point that so obviously links me to her at this point??Ya, WIFOM and all but even if I wanted to try that to be TR as scum!Amanda, that wouldn't work just due to PoE putting me in the scum-pool which means that whatever I do (or don't) do has to be viewed with suspicion and that's not gonna change barring a(nother) big development... So why on earth would I as scum!Amanda risk near-certain trouble for myself like that?

Like seriously, could you please explain your reasoning there? I just don't get it at all.

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Oops, sorry Dad, I should have refreshed before posting (twice).

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Anyway, I need to look back at iLoveYou/Kayla after all that Antonio stuff with Dad. I think I was too focused on what he was saying and the more I think about it, the most confused I am by a couple things she did/didn't say.

 

[Geoni]

@Amanda: cma = cover my ass

Also, I thought I answered that question already? If not, I thought it was 1) legit blue soft or 2) baiting as town or 3) nub acting really weird. It is one of the moments that I don't like of Ryumia's because she is new to mafia and hasn't really indicated that she is cunning enough to bait like that. I think it is 1 or 3 but you bringing it up seems like it could potentially be scum Ryumia doing 1 and that this is a bussing moment if you think Ryumia can be modkilled and know she is mafia. Becuase it was also pointed out that Ryumia has posted elsewhere in the forum which can be used either to defend her as disinterested or scumread her as avoidant. I am interested in which you think this is Amanda.

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Thanks for the answers Dad, I really appreciate your thoroughness and attention to detail.

I see where you're coming from RE the KP thing now, and whilst I don't necessarily agree, I don't disagree either. Your perspective on that makes sense to me now.

Also...

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Please tell me what I quoted was you being shady via vague sarcasm Amanda. Because if not...lol.

 

[amanda1983]

@Amanda: cma = cover my ass

Also, I thought I answered that question already? If not, I thought it was 1) legit blue soft or 2) baiting as town or 3) nub acting really weird. It is one of the moments that I don't like of Ryumia's because she is new to mafia and hasn't really indicated that she is cunning enough to bait like that. I think it is 1 or 3 but you bringing it up seems like it could potentially be scum Ryumia doing 1 and that this is a bussing moment if you think Ryumia can be modkilled and know she is mafia. Becuase it was also pointed out that Ryumia has posted elsewhere in the forum which can be used either to defend her as disinterested or scumread her as avoidant. I am interested in which you think this is Amanda.

Ah, duh, sorry, don't know how I forgot CMA.

I didn't see you answer at the time, nor could I find one when looking back over your posts. Apologies if I missed it. But thanks for the answer!

Assuming you meant "2" in this sentence instead of the second "1" -

I think it is 1 or 3 but you bringing it up seems like it could potentially be scum Ryumia doing 1 and that this is a bussing moment if you think Ryumia can be modkilled and know she is mafia.

I thought it was 1) most likely. There was potentially a couple of factors that stopped me from taking her words literally without further context though, that would more-or-less equate to 3) in your list :

- a language/translation/cultural issue (Idk if English is her first language or not but some other syntax has struck me as unusual enough to raise a "?" on interpreting this at face value - I thought it was possible she simply meant to emphasise how paranoid she was feeling and didn't realise the contextual implications of what she actually said ;

- a misunderstanding of game-mechanics - another new player this game thought that Mafia knew the roles of every player, which isn't precisely where I thought Ryumia may have gotten confused, but Mafia is a confusing game *shrugs*

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Please tell me what I quoted was you being shady via vague sarcasm Amanda. Because if not...lol.

Pardon me??

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Dammit where are all the young players who can translate for me when I need them???

 

[Geoni]

What do you need translated?

Also, if you are saying it is scenario 1, what do you make of it in terms of how you read Ryumia?

 

[Heyden]

I'm trying to pin you for what? Panda flipping survivor? No, I think you slipped up in the wake of your reaction test when you announced that is what it was, began to scramble for reasons to keep sussing Panda as maf and not survivor, and how you acknowledged how fake your emotion during one of our exchanges was with EBWOP. That, in combination that you have had a very long-held strong scumread of Kermit before most of town did and in retrospect that looks good on you. You keep bringing up how you 'townread so many scummy people' because acting like you're full of uncertainty and doubt is mafia acting fundamentals, but at this point it feels forced.

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I was responding to Heyden here but Amanda ninja'd--^

So you think I knew Panda had an action, but when she claimed she didn't I acted weirdly bc it wouldn't work? Like yeah, I guess that's partially correct bc I probably would've gone along with it if it weren't for everyone pinning me as scum. I do kinda regret bringing that unnecessary attention to me but I'm generally an anti-town person when I think it'll benefit so, lol. In retrospect I guess I can see why you think it was a mafia panic situation so I won't hold that against you even tho you're scum...

Also I actually townread Mog iirc, just Kermits softing felt off bc there was no role fitting her description. And yes maybe it seems forced but I heavily believe remaining scum is in Dad/Amanda/Ryumia/Panda/iLoveYou, but I still have an underlying feeling one of them is in the 'confirmed' blue list.

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Heyden - you think if I was scum with Ryumia I would bring up a point that so obviously links me to her at this point??Ya, WIFOM and all but even if I wanted to try that to be TR as scum!Amanda, that wouldn't work just due to PoE putting me in the scum-pool which means that whatever I do (or don't) do has to be viewed with suspicion and that's not gonna change barring a(nother) big development... So why on earth would I as scum!Amanda risk near-certain trouble for myself like that?

Like seriously, could you please explain your reasoning there? I just don't get it at all.

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Oops, sorry Dad, I should have refreshed before posting (twice).

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Anyway, I need to look back at iLoveYou/Kayla after all that Antonio stuff with Dad. I think I was too focused on what he was saying and the more I think about it, the most confused I am by a couple things she did/didn't say.

Well in the case that you were mafia with Ryumia, you only need 1 more mislynch to win, correct? Wouldn't it kind of make sense to be bussing team mates but also trying to bus one? Like at this point I kind of see the lynches going as Dad>Amanda>Ryumia>Me or iLoveYou, maybe Antonio idfk things change, but yeah.
By process of elimination I think you're likely scum but your behaviour to me truly indicates a very strong town play which is why I'm very torn rn.

 

[Geoni]

So you think I knew Panda had an action, but when she claimed she didn't I acted weirdly bc it wouldn't work?

Not what I'm saying at all where are you getting this lol?

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Well in the case that you were mafia with Ryumia, you only need 1 more mislynch to win, correct? Wouldn't it kind of make sense to be bussing team mates but also trying to bus one?

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Also I actually townread Mog iirc, just Kermits softing felt off bc there was no role fitting her description.

Yeah I'm just talking about Kermit, not when she was Mog, when it came to you being the first.

 

[Heyden]

Yeah I'm actually so confused I really don't know what you guys are saying to me so I'm just trying to sound smart honestly.

 

[Geoni]

Yeah I'm actually so confused I really don't know what you guys are saying to me so I'm just trying to sound smart honestly.

You see it's these small moments of you being honest about what you can be scumread for before anyone scumreads you for it that really adds to my scumread of you.

What I am saying is not that difficult to follow. You enter the lylo day and see Panda as the perfect coasty target to get a mislynch on, and utilizing a reaction test (not knowing what she is aside from not mafia) that involves claiming you caught her using an action as watcher because that can cause her to react badly, but what you don't expect is that she turns around and claims survivor, which explains the coasting in a way you weren't expecting. Then after this happens you clarify that you are just reaction testing, and then that conversation between us happened that further dug you into a hole.

The reason I am singling you out here and going pretty hardread is because I fully expect someone on mafia team to do something bold in order to get a townie lynched because that ends the game and you don't have to worry about damage control were this a normal game. And this is the boldest move done today by an unclear.

But if Panda flips red? Looks good on you and says to me that mafia team was preferring to sit back and let us lynch each other rather than make a bold move. If not, reasons to sus you remain for me.

 

[Heyden]

Ohh I see you what you mean. Ya I definitely understand what you're saying now, but there's a small detail you're kind of missing if you're main sus arose from me trying to lynch Panda, and I'm not sure if it's dumbtelling or actual cluelessness (I noticed Amanda did it too) but I'll bring it up tomorrow since Panda's being lynched regardless and won't affect the current game state.

 

[Geoni]

Suddenly we're the ones who are confused. Okay. After the Kermit bs I'm pretty over waiting a day for someone to 'clarify' something.

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This bugs me because I seriously can't see anything obvious that could not only be flying over my head but Amanda's too and why you need to wait a day to point out something we would have been dumb to miss.

 

[Chris]

Can we shorten the day phase

Day will end at its intended time: 14hrs from now.

If Ryumia does not post in this time she will be modkilled.

 

[amanda1983]

Suddenly we're the ones who are confused. Okay. After the Kermit bs I'm pretty over waiting a day for someone to 'clarify' something.

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This bugs me because I seriously can't see anything obvious that could not only be flying over my head but Amanda's too and why you need to wait a day to point out something we would have been dumb to miss.

This.

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Could whomever is making those rubbish tags PLEASE STOP. Just stop.

 

[Geoni]

Don't 'this' me.

Btw Amanda what I referenced with that video was that you were being overly polite because it makes you look good and calm in the face of criticism and I wasn't buying what I quoted as genuine. Idk if it's a common thread with you because this is my first game with you but when you post it sounds like a pageant answer.

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I love how the tags are like mafia graffiti tbh. Absurd, arcane, and straight up unnecessary.

 

[Heyden]

Suddenly we're the ones who are confused. Okay. After the Kermit bs I'm pretty over waiting a day for someone to 'clarify' something.

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This bugs me because I seriously can't see anything obvious that could not only be flying over my head but Amanda's too and why you need to wait a day to point out something we would have been dumb to miss.

It's not game changing info anyway, if you payed attention you'd probably know bc most people obviously do know, and it's not something to worry about unless you're scum Amanda should know too even tho she replaced in, so.

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I feel like an ******* for being cryptic lmao sorry!111

 

[amanda1983]

Don't 'this' me.

Btw Amanda what I referenced with that video was that you were being overly polite because it makes you look good and calm in the face of criticism and I wasn't buying what I quoted as genuine. Idk if it's a common thread with you because this is my first game with you but when you post it sounds like a pageant answer.

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I love how the tags are like mafia graffiti tbh. Absurd, arcane, and straight up unnecessary.

Noted. I had intended to post more than just "This." but got distracted by the tags (and reporting them). My partner came home at that point. I've lost track of what I was going to say rn but I don't think it really matters. If you disagree, let me know and I'll expand after I re-read the relevant posts.

By "pageant answer" I'm guessing you're referring to beauty pageants and therefore mean that my words were too pat, slick, practiced, whatever. That's not really a critique I've received before but I'll take it on board.

I was sincere by the way. I'm sorry that wasn't clear ; I usually signpost sarcasm quite clearly in a situation like this just for the record. "Overly polite" is my default, from both temperament and training.

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It's not game changing info anyway, if you payed attention you'd probably know bc most people obviously do know, and it's not something to worry about unless you're scum Amanda should know too even tho she replaced in, so.

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I feel like an ******* for being cryptic lmao sorry!111

Heyden... What are you doing right now?

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Like, is this intentional? To make me more comfused and waste time trying to work out WTF you're on about instead of, say, concentrating on trying to find scum??

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*confused

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I mean, please don't answer if it would benefit Mafia - assuming you're Town here.

But short of that... this is just irritating, frankly.

 

[iLoveYou]

Anyway, I need to look back at iLoveYou/Kayla after all that Antonio stuff with Dad. I think I was too focused on what he was saying and the more I think about it, the most confused I am by a couple things she did/didn't say.

What do you mean things I did or didn't say ? What about the things Dad said because honestly with the way he was trying to bring up how he doesn't Townread Antonio as much anymore & how he isn't sure why people aren't including him anymore, it just looks like he's trying to keep the sus pool bigger for himself so chances of a mislynch would be higher.

Who do you want to see lynched tomorrow out of the following names: Ryumia, Dad, iLoveYou, Heyden, Antonio
Those are the players who are yet to be confirmed.


Also, why would Panda the survivor want to vote out Trundle instead of No Lynch ? Looking back, that's not even a good move to make if she was trying to survive because it would be too risky to just vote out someone when people are calling for No Lynch. So either way she's not even helping us. Panda why did you choose to vote Trundle over No Lynch ?

 

[Heyden]

Also, why would Panda the survivor want to vote out Trundle instead of No Lynch ? Looking back, that's not even a good move to make if she was trying to survive because it would be too risky to just vote out someone when people are calling for No Lynch. So either way she's not even helping us. Panda why did you choose to vote Trundle over No Lynch ?

I agree with this, as a Survivor you're obviously gonna try and take the most neutral position as possible to avoid being lynched and to avoid being nightkilled, Panda only brought more attention to herself by voting Trundle whether he would flip town or mafia, which is why I kinda think she won't flip Survivor anyway.

She did soft earlier (idk if you'd consider it a soft actually but), and she was all like 'pls don't die pls don't die', but meh I don't really care what she flips as long as it isn't town